The only muscle that make or break a physique is your side delts (Srs)

[SevnStars]

Zyzz with wider torso, no shoulders, worse traps and the JS guy with better shoulders, thinner waist and better traps.

damn situation is looking better small waist to shoulder ration is everything.

[WVUbrah]

Delts and chest imo

[ebrah]

damn situation is looking better small waist to shoulder ration is everything.

Yep. Feelsbadman because I have kinda wide hips.

[oneshotGG]

they certainly do contribute to your overall flow but it's not the end of all things

the problem most people i see have is that they train their fuking biceps and triceps too damn much which overpowers their shoulders and makes it look small

i definitely neglected side and rear delts for a bit but i've been making great improvement when I started to really increase my volume and developed better technique

[imlikeRLY]

After only 1 week of training. Currently just ''stretching'' my bones to have a better muscular definition for when I put more mass. Note that I do not flex in the picture or anything (like avi) is just me being relaxed.


Your bones are the chit... I suggest doing incline press and then moving straight after to dumbells for inner chest. But that's just me...

[DafarheezyRises]

lean forward 10-20 degrees with dumbbells in front of your D, stabilise core, lift them up sideways with arms very very slightly bent (don't want to turn into a hammer curl exercise), turn the dumbbells inwards as they come up as if you are pouring 2 kettles of semen onto yourself. 5-7 sets of this and keep increasing weight/reps.

thank me later brahs

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[SevnStars]

Yep. Feelsbadman because I have kinda wide hips.

Alot of people think they have wide hips but sometimes it's mostly high bf. I used to think I had wide hips, then I cut and realised i stored alot of fat around my hips.

Also zyzz's hips is no where near as small as people make it out to be it's just that his chest is so fvucking massive that it pretty much overpowers all of his other body parts, It's all pretty much an illusion. Now put the situations chitty chest on zyzz and see what he looks like.



also plitt in my eyes has the most aesthetic phisique of all time

[STAYDENCH]

As others said it's a combination of everything in a physique. Having a wide upper frame is the most important IMO. Someone could have a really small waist and small hips but if there shoulders are narrow then they can never look good. Whereas if you have really big hips and waist, as long as your shoulders are wider, you can compensate with shoulder and lat mass and still look Aesthetic

[kamboo]

why the heck is the guy in the pic wearing makeup?

^ not sure if cereal

[gaussiansurface]

being shredded makes a huge visual difference, especially if youre someone who holds a lot of fat in your waist. you can see a big difference even if youre 10-12 bf going down to 6-8

[Scaglietti]

I partially agree with the point but why has this turned into yet another zzyz nut hugging thread... seriously misc.

[nonamewut]

without them you just look like an awkward stocky retard meat head from jersey shore

[img]http://tnation.t-nation.com/forum_images/auto/r/786x0/7/1//7120a_ORIG-zyzz.jpg[img]

same kind of pride


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HAHAHAHAHAHAH this is what i always thought!!

[truthhurts]

best thing you can do for them is HEAVY over head lifts, correct military press (getting body under the bar, nto leaning back and incline pressing it like a bitch) behind the neck press if you have the flexibility. These will put more mass on your medial delts than any side laterals

[nonamewut]

Zyzz with wider torso, no shoulders, worse traps and the JS guy with better shoulders, thinner waist and better traps.

fuark, shows the importance of the shoulder to hip/waist ratio

[nonamewut]

sadly this. zyzz had a terrible back relative to everything else...


most important is small waist to wide shoulders

other than lack of the rhomboid thickness between the scapulas he had a pretty meaty back

[beep007]

Alot of people think they have wide hips but sometimes it's mostly high bf. I used to think I had wide hips, then I cut and realised i stored alot of fat around my hips.

will see how that works out for me

[MyAmbitionz]

when will be mine turn?

[Strongknight]

thick rib cage crew checking in

[HOPOATE]

In on side delt appreciation thread.

technique>weight.

[maxcoleman]

without them you just look like an awkward stocky retard meat head from jersey shore

So legs don't matter?

Or arms... Or chest.. Or any other muscle? What a stupid statement, negged.

[Artyforever]

+the situation photo is chopped as ****

[jcant]

^strong bump

Less side delts, more broad shoulders. You can't change your bone structure.



Does he have amazing "side delts"?

[idreamofnumber1]

I think the situations anterior delts over power his upper chest and medial delts. Anterior delts are pretty ugly in my opinion

[SeymourCake]

Frank Zane has an amazing Shoulder to Hip ratio.

[OhYouMad]

ONLY muscle? I don't think so Tim.
It's all about balance and proportion. Physique is pretty much an optical illusion.
They are just as important as chest which is just as important as lats
And that's just the upper

[IsNotOP]

[stealth_swimmer]

Agree 100%, been trying to hit mine hard recently, any good exercises miscers?

I don't give a chit what people say, volume is key, imo. Especially side delts. You can't go too heavy on things that emphasize or target the side delts. Heavy laterals? Goodnight sweet rotator cuffs. I like staying in the 10-15 range, sometimes higher but usually that's a good rep range and is plenty heavy enough for them.

"Wide Grip" DB Upright Rows (single arm is usually better, imo) are good cus they let you go in the natural plane of movement for your body instead of a BB which restricts you (but you can also do it with a BB. I like leaning forward just slightly, bending the legs to put the load on the legs a bit just like a BB Row but standing up more vertically) .

DB Presses when done right next to your face instead of in front can put a little more emphasis on the medial head than holding the DB's clearly in front of you like a military press, which emphasizes the front delts.


I think 6-9 total sets for medial delts per week is good. Like I'll do 6 total sets for side delts (whether it be split between two exercises or just 6 sets of one exercise) on delts/traps day. Then sometimes I'll do another three sets for side delts after chest when I train it later in the week.

If you're already hitting each muscle twice per week, then great. Just emphasize your side delts is all. Maybe even try 12 sets for a couple weeks, towards the end of your training cycle (like a 6-12 week period, imo, but I usually stop at 8), then have your deload.

I'm gonna really start hammering mine. Wanna get dem caps!

[idreamofnumber1]

Looks better there

[Fon7ana]

I've always seen chest as most important for size/insertion

but weak delts will def hurt your overall physique