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    Deadlift vs. Squat

    I have noticed a lot of people can deadlift much more than squat, but I'm not seeing a huge gap in the two exercises. My squat is currently at 5 reps of 270, and deadlift is 5 at 280. Is there something I should be doing to separate the deadlift or is it just a matter of as I progress I will notice the deadlift going up much more than squat? Thanks for the help.
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    Don't worry about it. Just keep lifting and they'll get more separation, as progress on the squat becomes harder and slower and progress on deadlift keeps going at the same pace for a while.
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    When they are super close, more often than not it is because the person is not getting proper depth on his squats. Have someone at your gym make sure you're getting to parallel (or below if you prefer), or else take a vid and check yourself.
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    Originally Posted by ThickAsABrick View Post
    When they are super close, more often than not it is because the person is not getting proper depth on his squats. Have someone at your gym make sure you're getting to parallel (or below if you prefer), or else take a vid and check yourself.
    I squat really deep, the owner of the gym has spotted me a few times in the past and said I was even going too deep but I am going just below parallel now. This sounds stupid but I feel like my back could handle more on the deadlift but my grip gives out if I try increasing the weight for 5 reps right now, I get to about 3 before I have to put it down, I'm not sure what that means?
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    Originally Posted by iBeastMode207 View Post
    I squat really deep, the owner of the gym has spotted me a few times in the past and said I was even going too deep but I am going just below parallel now. This sounds stupid but I feel like my back could handle more on the deadlift but my grip gives out if I try increasing the weight for 5 reps right now, I get to about 3 before I have to put it down, I'm not sure what that means?
    Mixed grip, chalk then straps. You tried any of these?
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    Originally Posted by iBeastMode207 View Post
    I squat really deep, the owner of the gym has spotted me a few times in the past and said I was even going too deep but I am going just below parallel now. This sounds stupid but I feel like my back could handle more on the deadlift but my grip gives out if I try increasing the weight for 5 reps right now, I get to about 3 before I have to put it down, I'm not sure what that means?
    You can use straps to take the grip out of the equation.
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    Originally Posted by lancslad1980 View Post
    Mixed grip, chalk then straps. You tried any of these?
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    Originally Posted by lancslad1980 View Post
    Mixed grip, chalk then straps. You tried any of these?
    Do you mean just wider/narrower grip? If so I have adjusted a bit but it doesn't seem to help, never tried chalk or straps though
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    Originally Posted by iBeastMode207 View Post
    Do you mean just wider/narrower grip? If so I have adjusted a bit but it doesn't seem to help, never tried chalk or straps though
    Look at Kroc rows and farmers walks. Nothing inherently wrong with straps, but how cool is it to pull with just a double overhand grip? Chalk is good, too, but a lot of gyms don't allow it. You can look into 'chalkless' chalk - http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/eco_ball.html Good stuff.
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    Squats my 5rm 170lbs
    Deadlifts my 5rm 315lbs


    Your stats are Deff interesting but I think we seperate out. I squat ass to calves though an on a nice rested day and 100% I'm sure I could do 185 and 325.
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    are you still in linear progression mode? i.e. you are still getting stronger without a big slowdown/stall? if so, your squat may stall soon and your deadlift may keep going.


    or....you squats are not deep....
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    Originally Posted by RockCrab View Post
    Look at Kroc rows and farmers walks. Nothing inherently wrong with straps, but how cool is it to pull with just a double overhand grip? Chalk is good, too, but a lot of gyms don't allow it. You can look into 'chalkless' chalk - http://www.metoliusclimbing.com/eco_ball.html Good stuff.
    Thank you, I need to strengthen my forearms but wrist curls affect my wrist and I meant to look into a farmers walk, I'll add that in to my workouts. Repped!
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    What's your body type like? I have short limbs and a long torso so my back is almost parallel to the floor when conventional deadlifting. The bar has a lot of leverage over me, so my deadlift isn't that high. But the short legs make me a pretty good squatter and the bar has less leverage over me in that exercise than it would a normally proportioned person.

    If your proportions are pretty average, your squat is deep enough, and grip isn't the issue, your deadlift form could be off. If the bar is not balanced over the middle of your foot for the entire pull it's like ten times more difficult, or if you're not using your legs enough.
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    Originally Posted by Retoaded View Post
    are you still in linear progression mode? i.e. you are still getting stronger without a big slowdown/stall? if so, your squat may stall soon and your deadlift may keep going.


    or....you squats are not deep....
    Yes I am, maybe it just has to do with I didn't add deadlifts into my workout until a little while after squats and it's just taking time to catch up. The amount of weight I am adding each week to squats is definitely starting to slow down though.
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    Originally Posted by DetMatthews View Post
    What's your body type like? I have short limbs and a long torso so my back is almost parallel to the floor when conventional deadlifting. The bar has a lot of leverage over me, so my deadlift isn't that high. But the short legs make me a pretty good squatter and the bar has less leverage over me in that exercise than it would a normally proportioned person.
    I'm pretty proportioned, my back doesn't get close to being parallel really
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    As previously mentioned, use straps or chalk. No sense in letting your grip cheat your back out of work it could otherwise handle. You can work on your grip at another time if it is of concern to you.
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