Do you count broccoli in your totals for the day ?

[ChristianBBer]

Jw if you count broccoli in your totals for the day

I eat around 300g of it (measured uncooked/raw) daily

[MAX.MAREK]

no need to count ANY veggies in carb totals.

[ChristianBBer]

no need to count ANY veggies in carb totals.

gotchya thanks !

[snes85]

no need to count ANY veggies in carb totals.

Why wouldn't you count veggies? You still get calories from them. I'd count the broccoli.

[MAX.MAREK]

why?! do u realize that it take more energy to digest green veggies, then the calories they contain? ya....those calories from FIBER dont count.

[MAX.MAREK]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-G8rCjFiBI

[snes85]

why?! do u realize that it take more energy to digest green veggies, then the calories they contain? ya....those calories from FIBER dont count.

If you're going to use that logic, then every time you move you're allotted extra calories to make up for those you burned? And fiber is partially absorbed in the intestines and does contribute to calories.

[DSML]

Its a FREE food to me, just as long as its not covered in crap!!!!lol

[MAX.MAREK]

k dude...keep counting those calories keep it up! lol

[MAX.MAREK]

Its a FREE food to me, just as long as its not covered in crap!!!!lol

AMEN BUD!!! mustard is all i use on my meals. it's FREE FOOD!

[IrishPilot]

Layne Norton had this to say when we discussed this just a week ago...

fiber can still be reabsorbed in the colon once it is fermented as short chain fatty acids.

you still get much of the calories from it.

count it.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=125177581

[MAX.MAREK]

Layne Norton had this to say when we discussed this just a week ago...





http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=125177581

maybe if you consume a crapload of veggies per meal, ya, then you gonna get bloated and feel like crap. but if you keep it to 1cup a meal here n there, your fine. no need to count those. save those "counted" calories for fat/starch carbs/protein.

[snes85]

Layne Norton had this to say when we discussed this just a week ago...

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=125177581

^

maybe if you consume a crapload of veggies per meal, ya, then you gonna get bloated and feel like crap. but if you keep it to 1cup a meal here n there, your fine. no need to count those. save those "counted" calories for fat/starch carbs/protein.

Why would you count some calories and not others? When calculating deficits they're all going to contribute the same.

Not being argumentative just a friendly discussion

[MAX.MAREK]

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Why would you count some calories and not others? When calculating deficits they're all going to contribute the same.

Not being argumentative just a friendly discussion

oh no bro, im not arguing either....

but IMO, there is no need to count calories of the 300g of broccoli that is being consumed by the original thread starter. with all the protein we eat, we need fiber to process it all. who has gotten fat off veggies? who hasnt gotten ripped off veggies? the only time where I remove or count/monitor my veggies consumption is during the first 3 days of the FINAL week leading upto a show. during my carbup stage, i cut veggies/fillers OUT. no need to be full, and i leave all my calories for fat, carbs and protein. i really leave none for veggies/fibers.

to me, veggies are fillers. nothing more. when i wnat to be full, ill add more veggies. think of it as the foam/torn paper that fills the shipment packages you get in the mail. they dont count that as part of the weight of the package

[moojeni]

I'm being strict with a cutting diet, but I barely estimate the calories that I consume from the veggies (I don't care about macros in them, though).
For example, if I eat a pepper, I would 'count' those 30 kcals, or if I eat a cucumber I would 'count' those 80 kcals. I mean, I think about those calories, but I don't care too much either.
Sometimes, when I really feel hungry, I go and eat 400g/500g of broccoli, and I don't care about those 120-150 kcal, because a lot of them are coming from fiber, and anyways, at the end of the day those extra calories won't make me gain any fat.
I eat veggies once or twice a day. Maybe 100-150 kcal a day coming from veggies. Will it make a difference if I'm in a calories deficit of -500 just with the diet? (without counting cardio, lifting, etc). I don't think so.

[OoFaP]

I count them but if you are being consistent with it everyday it doesn't matter.

[Rsardinia]

Yes I count it. Just use a site like fitday and they already have it in their food database. Just weigh it out in grams and call it a day. It won't kill you to not include them because they are very low cal but if you want to be precise you should add them.

[FATHER FLEX]

Agree count them.

Put it this way....

300 grams raw broccoli is 1f 20c 9p about 100kcals. A week that is 700kcals, a month 2800kcals, and in a 4 month prep about 3 pounds. That can be the difference from good conditioning, to GREAT WTF conditioning. I know with me the changes that happen from 163 to when I break 160 are insane really.

So to put it simply, don't let a actually a very simple, but very important thing stop you from looking your best. Also the whole idea that some foods require more energy to digest than their net worth is a bit off. Most of the thermic effect you get from food is from protein, not so much the fibery veggies.

[IrishPilot]

Obviously each of you is "gettin it done" whichever direction you choose. I would imagine that when push comes to shove as long as you are consistent in method and you make the appropriate changes in prep based on your progress the end result should be the same.

Now I need to go over to the "You know you are in a pre-contest diet when..." and fill it with a post that says "you debate with fellow contenders about the mathematics in broccoli."

[ErickStevens]

I eat about 300 calories of green fibrous veggies per day, so yeah, I count them.

300 grams raw broccoli is 1f 20c 9p about 100kcals. A week that is 700kcals, a month 2800kcals, and in a 4 month prep about 3 pounds. That can be the difference from good conditioning, to GREAT WTF conditioning. I know with me the changes that happen from 163 to when I break 160 are insane really.

Great point here.

[str8flexed]

no need to count ANY veggies in carb totals.

i'm sorry but i strongly disagree. fiber, while not metabolized like a typical carb, is not free. Much fiber can be fermented by the colon and then reabsorbed as short chain fatty acids which your body can still liberate energy from so you still get calories from it.

I'm afraid it's not free

[wrkoutfrq]

i'm sorry but i strongly disagree. fiber, while not metabolized like a typical carb, is not free. Much fiber can be fermented by the colon and then reabsorbed as short chain fatty acids which your body can still liberate energy from so you still get calories from it.

I'm afraid it's not free

this...

[ErickStevens]

Hell I wish it was "free"! I'd eat it by the pound!

I <3 broccoli. I </3 broccoli farts though.

[MAX.MAREK]

i'm sorry but i strongly disagree. fiber, while not metabolized like a typical carb, is not free. Much fiber can be fermented by the colon and then reabsorbed as short chain fatty acids which your body can still liberate energy from so you still get calories from it.

I'm afraid it's not free

with my metabolism and my diet.....it is

[ErickStevens]

The Bro is strong in this one.

[MAX.MAREK]

The Bro is strong in this one.

LOL indeed. but hey, each to his own. it actually keeps me 'regular'....

[Zarazen]

The Bro is strong in this one.

LOL

Right now, 3 weeks out, i'm at 1750 calories on my low days. 100 calories and 20g carbs means a lot at this point.

[crazymike]

What if I dont count any of my cals?? LOL

I personally dont count the kcals in veggies...to me its a waste. I concentrate more on the kals of the meat, fat and/or complex carbs I take in.

I guess if you were eating an ungodly amount of veggies, I can see worrying about it....

But hey, this is just my way of doing things....and my way is definitely a lot different than others.
My main philosophy is keep it simple. No need to stress on the 20cals of brocolli you are consuming in that meal...and I certainly wouldnt minus some important protien cals because you are adding in your veggies....

[MAX.MAREK]

What if I dont count any of my cals?? LOL

I personally dont count the kcals in veggies...to me its a waste. I concentrate more on the kals of the meat, fat and/or complex carbs I take in.

I guess if you were eating an ungodly amount of veggies, I can see worrying about it....

But hey, this is just my way of doing things....and my way is definitely a lot different than others.
My main philosophy is keep it simple. No need to stress on the 20cals of brocolli you are consuming in that meal...and I certainly wouldnt minus some important protien cals because you are adding in your veggies....

well said crazymike!

[Bnizzle163]

Interesting to see different viewpoints. My new logic = if it is metabolized by the body, count it. Got that from a Dr.Joe article, I believe