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Thread: Crupeia: Please Authenticate
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01-30-2013, 03:09 PM #1
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01-30-2013, 03:14 PM #2
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01-30-2013, 03:19 PM #3
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Of course we have zero methods of verifying if this has happened. its the exact same thing as them telling thier citizens that we are eating our children.
Lets think this through together.
If they are really starving then one would assume they live in terrible circumstances. they would have no public services like trash removal.
The rats and rodent population would be at an all time high.
Are we to assume that these people are too stupid to eat the rats and smaller rodents for food before they would eat theri own children?
Also are we to assume that they never heard of chickens or rabbits?
They are too poor to raise simple farm animals that people in dirt shacks in africa with absolutley nothing can afford to raise but but they can afford to travel on business?
Seems to me that propaganda is at play here, nothing more.
Either this or North korea must be the most cockroach and rat free place in all of asia.
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01-30-2013, 03:21 PM #4
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01-30-2013, 03:22 PM #5
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01-30-2013, 03:25 PM #6
Propagangnam-style!
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01-30-2013, 03:35 PM #7
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01-30-2013, 03:37 PM #8
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01-30-2013, 03:43 PM #9
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It seems plausible that people would resort to that in a time of famine. Who knows if it's true. Some of the stories of atrocities in Bosnia were exaggerations or outright lies crafted to get the US involved in the war. Every story about WMDs in Iraq turned out to be false, but people still believe them. North Korea is more of a closed society than Bosnia or Iraq, so it would be tough to verify stories like this one way or the other.
There's one thing that's true. People will read this story and be 100% convinced for life. That's how public opinion works. Most people still think "bath salts" make you go crazy and chew someone's face off. They base that opinion off one statement from a cop that was later proven false.
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01-30-2013, 03:47 PM #10
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01-30-2013, 04:15 PM #11
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this is 100% spot on.
think where this sort of information comes from.
We never ended the war in korea and neither did they. Why not? is it because we are still at war with them, they certainly think we are.
The only "credible" information we get is from defectors. What we would call these people is traitors.
Imagine in 1968 that someone went to the soviet union to "escape" america. Then they went on soviet tv and spoke to reporters about how bad our society was. The citizens of that country would only have that persons word to go on.
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01-30-2013, 04:17 PM #12
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01-30-2013, 04:19 PM #13
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01-30-2013, 04:45 PM #14
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01-30-2013, 05:02 PM #15
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I don't know why he wouldn't allow inspectors everywhere. It might have been that he was proud and arrogant and didn't want to back down.
Stories like this have been coming out in recent years.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-lies-iraq-war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_%28informant%29
People in Iraq deliberately lied about WMDs, and our intelligence services believed them. I don't think Saddam was a good guy at all, but I don't think American troops should have died in a war when our country wasn't at risk. All our troops found (that I know of) were a few old chemical artillery shells left over from the 80s.
Ironically, there's no chance we'll invade North Korea now that they have real WMDs. Nobody wants to risk a nuclear war.
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01-30-2013, 05:07 PM #16
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01-30-2013, 05:39 PM #17
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01-30-2013, 05:54 PM #18
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01-30-2013, 06:54 PM #19
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01-30-2013, 07:45 PM #20
Unless someone has walked a mile in your shoes, and seen the things you have seen and done they can never comprehend the depth of your feelings and your point of view.
It's easy for people who have not served to believe the propaganda and lies that are fed to us. I am not in any shape way or form defending their opinions, on the contrary.
Thank you for all you and our military men and women do everyday. If it wasn't for you guys people would not have the freedoms to express their opinions so freely.
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01-30-2013, 08:10 PM #21
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01-30-2013, 09:13 PM #22
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You have no idea what counts to me either, but you went off on a rant about "people like me". Did you get that angry when Donald Rumsfeld admitted they were wrong about the WMDs? Were you even paying attention? I served in the Army too, so I don't want to see American soldiers dying over a series of lies and mistakes.
I was just trying to make the point that people shouldn't believe everything they read or see in the media. People shut off their critical thinking abilities when they read stories about Koreans eating their children or evil dictators developing weapons that will kill us.
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01-30-2013, 09:48 PM #23
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Than explain instead of resorting to posting gore. I've seen enough that sh*t myself without you having to post it to be a sensationalist drama queen. WTF is wrong with you?
Sure, but instead of coming undone at the hinges, maybe "talking" would be a good alternative.
I don't have to understand HIS views to understand what it's like to be passionate about something.
It's easy for people who have not served to believe the propaganda and lies that are fed to us. I am not in any shape way or form defending their opinions, on the contrary.
Thank you for all you and our military men and women do everyday. If it wasn't for you guys people would not have the freedoms to express their opinions so freely.
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01-30-2013, 10:00 PM #24
I had a customer come in to have a rug she purchased in Iraq framed. She told me that she had personally seen and watched being destroyed terrible things and to never believe those that claim there were no WMDs in Iraq. She was active military and I can see no reason why she would lie about it.
I also agree with Doug if you say there were no WMDs make sure you're not talking to a Kurd first. If he had them then... it's reasonable enough to believe he still had them.
Location Weapon Used Date Casualties
Haij Umran Mustard August 1983 fewer than 100 Iranian/Kurdish
Panjwin Mustard October–November 1983 3,001 Iranian/Kurdish
Majnoon Island Mustard February–March 1984 2,500 Iranians
al-Basrah Tabun March 1984 50-100 Iranians
Hawizah Marsh Mustard & Tabun March 1985 3,000 Iranians
al-Faw Mustard & Tabun February 1986 8,000 to 10,000 Iranians
Um ar-Rasas Mustard December 1986 1,000s Iranians
al-Basrah Mustard & Tabun April 1987 5,000 Iranians
Sumar/Mehran Mustard & nerve agent October 1987 3,000 Iranians
Halabjah Mustard & nerve agent March 1988 7,000s Kurdish/Iranian
al-Faw Mustard & nerve agent April 1988 1,000s Iranians
Fish Lake Mustard & nerve agent May 1988 100s or 1,000s Iranians
Majnoon Islands Mustard & nerve agent June 1988 100s or 1,000s Iranians
South-central border Mustard & nerve agent July 1988 100s or 1,000s Iranians
an-Najaf -Karbala area Nerve agent & CS March 1991 Unknown
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01-30-2013, 10:36 PM #25
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Do any of you guys watch the news? Are you paying attention to current events at all? You're just proving my point about people making up their minds about something and never changing it in spite of the evidence.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/02/...iew/index.html
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01-31-2013, 03:01 AM #26
From what I understand a level four bio lab can fit into a shipping crate, or onto the back of a semi. A friend of mine who was an inspector there never found anything, but expressed a lot of frustration with the rules. I'm truing to remember how much notice they had to give, but I think it was 36 hours. Many sites were just empty buildings. Bad in tell? Maybe. To an extent well never know the full scope.
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01-31-2013, 04:20 AM #27
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01-31-2013, 05:28 AM #28
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01-31-2013, 05:31 AM #29
^^^^QFT
Not going to bother multi quoting to damn early in the morning and I need my coffee.
I just don't believe what the news channels and media reports spew, quite honestly they are in the business of drama, if it bleeds it leads is their motto and they love controversy. I will take the word of a man or women who has actually been on the front line and seen with their own eyes the truth and reality than the media any day.
Just out of curiosity ACC how long did you serve? Did you see any actual combat? Just asking because most of the military people I know are appreciative of the respect they receive. I make it a point to thank every person I meet that is either serving this country or has served. It's because of them that I can sleep securely at night and wake up in the morning and have the freedom to do and say whatever I choose. But that's just me *shrug*
Carry on, and I hope everyone has a wonderful day. It's absolutely freezing where I am at and dreading having to go out in it. Moar coffee is needed
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01-31-2013, 06:07 AM #30
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I served a single tour 4 years active duty (4 years reserves), 91B (Combat Medic). I was deployed to Bosnia (IFOR, Operation Joint Endeavor), for a year in 96 after the signing of the Dayton Peace Accord. It was not a designated combat zone, only a hazard zone. I also worked at the V.A. for 18 months as a swing shift nurses aid after leaving the service.
I am appreciative of the thanks, but IMO it seems that the "Support the Troops" movement that started in the 90's has become almost a cliche.... the politically correct thing to say. I personally don't care for what has almost become an idolization of what a solider is. I've seen many soldier that let it go to their head, putting themselves on a pedestal. We soldiers and vets are no better than anyone else, our opinions no more valid. No one FORCED us to join, we didn't do it for free, and we don't automatically deserve respect simply because we joined.
This wasn't directed at you. Though you seem intent on keeping that f*cking gore up.
Take it down.
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