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    cant believe the haters on this thread , anyone who doubts his progress is jelly they cant get the same results coz they too busy fkn complaining and judging other ppl around them ... maybe if u put in the work and dedication for 6 months SOLID u will get the same results , stop hating and start getting ur heads screwed on . to those that who believe it is natural they will know big ups coz they know its achievable nd not negative k*nts
    OP once again ... excellent work
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    Amazing. Repped.
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    Thank you bros,

    As requested by others, here's my most recent 8 month in pic, taken on Feb 02/2013 *lil bit over 8 months* I'm doing a slow bulk atm.

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    I'm not sure whether these results motivate me or just completely crush my spirit. Good job though! Jeebus.
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    Originally Posted by vsebi View Post
    Thank you bros,

    As requested by others, here's my most recent 8 month in pic, taken on Feb 02/2013 *lil bit over 8 months* I'm doing a slow bulk atm.

    You look insane for 8months work, do you live a busy life? I've also been working out 8 months but admittedly my training has not been top notch at all (2008 join date but didnt use this site until 2012)
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    Damn totally mirin' bro. Hope i can hit that BF in your third pic in 2 months!
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    Originally Posted by JBich View Post
    Damn totally mirin' bro. Hope i can hit that BF in your third pic in 2 months!
    Great job!
    Thnx bro. I'm sure you can do it bro, keep it solid!!

    Dto, what do u mean busy life bro? I make gym #1 in my life right now. Work then home walk dog then gym, everything else is second for now.
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    Originally Posted by 4everalone View Post
    Go to gym and gain real life experience. Working each muscle once a week is not only for people on steroids. Its basically what most advance lifters do. Natural or not.
    And you think he's advanced? He's been liftin for 6 months
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    Originally Posted by vsebi View Post
    Thank you bros,

    As requested by others, here's my most recent 8 month in pic, taken on Feb 02/2013 *lil bit over 8 months* I'm doing a slow bulk atm.

    Zooms looking for chest acne
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    amazing progress bro. can you please comment on my diet because i want to get hard core about my diet and workout and hopefully look decent in a few months


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    Absolutely fantastic OP will follow your diet/nutrition plan now youre an inspiration.
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    Originally Posted by SdvsB View Post
    Zooms looking for chest acne
    zoom zoom zoom, you won't find chest acne, you know why? Say it with me............NATURAL!

    amazing progress bro. can you please comment on my diet because i want to get hard core about my diet and workout and hopefully look decent in a few months


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    Eas - 100% Whey Protein Shake - Vanilla, 2 Scoop (39g)
    Organic Well-Pict - Whole Fresh Strawberries, 1 cup

    LUNCH
    Iberia - Arroz Integral Brown Rice, Long Grain, 1/4 cup
    Generic - Tilapia Filets - Tilapia Filet, 4 oz (1 filet)
    Tomatoes - Red, ripe, raw, year round average, 1 large whole

    MIDAFTERNOON
    Eas - 100% Whey Protein Shake - Vanilla, 2 Scoop (39g)
    Generic - Blueberries, 1/4 cup 27

    DINNER
    1/4 Avocado, 0.5 avocado
    1 Tomato
    5 LARGE, EGG WHITES
    1 Whole Egg - 1 Whole Egg, 1 egg (44g)

    PREBED
    Great Value (Walmart - Low Fat Cottage Cheese Small Curd 1% Milkfat, 1/2 cup

    total:

    1508 cals... 139 carbs 34 fat 180 protein

    im 5 feet 5 inches tall and 165 lbs
    Bro, your diet seems very well planned out, i like that you're doing like I did and actually using a scale to measure foods not just "guessing" when we first start this is the best way to start, after a while you'll get the hang of things and won't need to anymore. But I need to know why your cal intake is so low, what is your goal? Fat loss? Muscle gain? What are you going for?

    In terms of your meals they look nice and clean, but why no veggies in there like broccoli / baby carrots / spinach / cauliflower?? Broccoli and cauliflower specially help you with the "full" feeling when you're shredding, which based on your stats and info provided seems to be what you're going for. I think overall it's solid for a shred, your size and weight. I do my meals a bit different in that i take 6 meals a day and my 4 and 5th meal I count them as pre workout and post workout meals, Fruits are good and all, for example my pre workout i eat an apple with my shake, and post workout i eat a banana, I just like it. Then I just have my 6th and last meal couple of hours before bed usually.

    Make sure your diet is based on things you enjoy eating, if not change it for things you like to eat, like I said before I look forward to my meals, I enjoy them and they're healthy and clean. I built it to fit me but made sure it was all clean and healthy and went to good use. PS: I like the avocado in there, good choice for good fats.

    Absolutely fantastic OP will follow your diet/nutrition plan now youre an inspiration.
    Thnx bro! Good luck Take a day 1 pic and a day 90 pic and really work hard at it, thank me later

    I'm not sure whether these results motivate me or just completely crush my spirit. Good job though! Jeebus.
    No crushing of your spirit here brother, just do your best. Nutrition and TRUE DEDICATION play a huge role in what you achieve, pushing yourself to your limits daily, it's what will separate you from those bloated guys at the gym who think they look pimped lol Trial and error my friend, don't ever let someone else's results make you feel like you can't achieve or hit your goals. This is not a race, it's a lifestyle and a life commitment to weight lifting / bodybuilding, look at you in 5 years from now, not 5 months. This is just my personal results but this is not even my goal, things will eventually slow down (growth) and I will still have to keep on trucking till I hit my goal, and I'm ready for that

    Regarding all the messages, I will try and reply you all on the weekend, sadly I do not have enough time work/gym/dog/prepare all my next day meals to reply them all, and those who got response know I go into detail so it takes a while per reply
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    Originally Posted by vsebi View Post
    zoom zoom zoom, you won't find chest acne, you know why? Say it with me............NATURAL!



    Bro, your diet seems very well planned out, i like that you're doing like I did and actually using a scale to measure foods not just "guessing" when we first start this is the best way to start, after a while you'll get the hang of things and won't need to anymore. But I need to know why your cal intake is so low, what is your goal? Fat loss? Muscle gain? What are you going for?

    In terms of your meals they look nice and clean, but why no veggies in there like broccoli / baby carrots / spinach / cauliflower?? Broccoli and cauliflower specially help you with the "full" feeling when you're shredding, which based on your stats and info provided seems to be what you're going for. I think overall it's solid for a shred, your size and weight. I do my meals a bit different in that i take 6 meals a day and my 4 and 5th meal I count them as pre workout and post workout meals, Fruits are good and all, for example my pre workout i eat an apple with my shake, and post workout i eat a banana, I just like it. Then I just have my 6th and last meal couple of hours before bed usually.

    Make sure your diet is based on things you enjoy eating, if not change it for things you like to eat, like I said before I look forward to my meals, I enjoy them and they're healthy and clean. I built it to fit me but made sure it was all clean and healthy and went to good use. PS: I like the avocado in there, good choice for good fats.



    Thnx bro! Good luck Take a day 1 pic and a day 90 pic and really work hard at it, thank me later



    No crushing of your spirit here brother, just do your best. Nutrition and TRUE DEDICATION play a huge role in what you achieve, pushing yourself to your limits daily, it's what will separate you from those bloated guys at the gym who think they look pimped lol Trial and error my friend, don't ever let someone else's results make you feel like you can't achieve or hit your goals. This is not a race, it's a lifestyle and a life commitment to weight lifting / bodybuilding, look at you in 5 years from now, not 5 months. This is just my personal results but this is not even my goal, things will eventually slow down (growth) and I will still have to keep on trucking till I hit my goal, and I'm ready for that

    Regarding all the messages, I will try and reply you all on the weekend, sadly I do not have enough time work/gym/dog/prepare all my next day meals to reply them all, and those who got response know I go into detail so it takes a while per reply
    Whatsup man,

    As a new enthusiast I'd like to hear your opinion on something (I've been gathering information for quite some time):

    I recently switched from ''messing around with weights'' (self made compound-heavy 3 day split twice a week M:Push, T:Pull, W: Legs, T: off, F:lowweight push, S: lowweight pull, s: lowweight legs, M: off routine) to finding my maintenance cals and getting rid of some stubborn bodyfat (which is going well) whilst doing a FBW (All Pros) 3x a week with some cardio included.

    As a newb in week 4 I'm doing just fine but I ''miss'' feeling my muscles after a workout. Even after the ''heavy'' day I will not be sore the next day or the day after. I was sore after every workout in my own brosplit which felt great but following advice I switched to a routine that's been proven to work.

    Is this all in my mind? Should I just disregard the fact that I'm not feeling any soreness? I'm sure it'll kick in a few cycles (thus more weight) from now but it just feels off not feeling anything the day after having worked out.

    What's your take on this? As I have a lot of free time atm (finding a job...) I find I have to hold back on All Pro's simply because the urge to workout nearly every day, which was possible with the compound orientated split, is very high since I have an old smith-like-machine + bench & barbells cramped up in my attic.

    Just looking to gather some advice! In the meantime I'll keep progressing on AP's as planned and will start a slow bulk soon (my small abs are beginning to show).
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    Originally Posted by LarsD View Post
    Whatsup man,


    I recently switched from ''messing around with weights'' (self made compound-heavy 3 day split twice a week M:Push, T:Pull, W: Legs, T: off, F:lowweight push, S: lowweight pull, s: lowweight legs, M: off routine) to finding my maintenance cals and getting rid of some stubborn bodyfat (which is going well) whilst doing a FBW (All Pros) 3x a week with some cardio included.

    I have the same feeling with Allpro, i like the heavy day as i feel worked, and while not sore, I feel fatigued the next day, but he mid and light days, just son't make me feel like i have worked (the light almost seems pointless and i end up doing a cardio session right after as well).

    While i am still getting good results with fat loss, I am attributing this to 95% diet, though i haven't lost much LBM (this has sat at around 74kgs all the way through). I am going to stick with it through my cut (expect to hit target end of april time) whereby i will be skinnyish, but going to try something else for my clean bulk, like JBs Beginner Routine, which seems to have a little bit more volume than SS.
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    amazing. not sure how ur only 170
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    Awesome results! Looking great keep it up
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    zoom zoom zoom, you won't find chest acne, you know why? Say it with me............NATURAL!



    Bro, your diet seems very well planned out, i like that you're doing like I did and actually using a scale to measure foods not just "guessing" when we first start this is the best way to start, after a while you'll get the hang of things and won't need to anymore. But I need to know why your cal intake is so low, what is your goal? Fat loss? Muscle gain? What are you going for?

    In terms of your meals they look nice and clean, but why no veggies in there like broccoli / baby carrots / spinach / cauliflower?? Broccoli and cauliflower specially help you with the "full" feeling when you're shredding, which based on your stats and info provided seems to be what you're going for. I think overall it's solid for a shred, your size and weight. I do my meals a bit different in that i take 6 meals a day and my 4 and 5th meal I count them as pre workout and post workout meals, Fruits are good and all, for example my pre workout i eat an apple with my shake, and post workout i eat a banana, I just like it. Then I just have my 6th and last meal couple of hours before bed usually.

    Make sure your diet is based on things you enjoy eating, if not change it for things you like to eat, like I said before I look forward to my meals, I enjoy them and they're healthy and clean. I built it to fit me but made sure it was all clean and healthy and went to good use. PS: I like the avocado in there, good choice for good fats.
    Hey bro thanks for the reply. At 5 feet 5 inches tall and 165 lbs.... I figured 1500 calories should be enough for a shred..that's why the calories are low.. I think that i tend to put on fat quite easily.. Didn't you get shredded at around that amount of calories as well?

    I will definitely start eating more greens/vegetables.
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    lol, it's called standing close or far from the cam, i was not thinking about it i just took my result pics...dunno what you mean by blow up, I was skinny fat, did not work out, was lazy, how else do people get fat??? lol broooooooooooo get outtaaa here! you silly!
    Standing farther away from the cam between the 2nd and third pic made you lose 20-25lbs in 3 months? Mmkay. Regardless, I think you're getting the wrong idea. No matter what, it is still excellent progress. You're not going to convince me it is natty. Now if it is, just take as a compliment. The phaggot below you pissed me off. Anyone that disagrees is a jelly hater. Seriously? Total defense mechanism to call someone that. Like there is no way I could disagree. Just a jelly hater. Keep your dick riding comments to yourself next time.

    Anyways, good progress OP regardless.

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    Hey all,

    Just wanted to share my personal results with you all, maybe inspire some new guys who are where I was on day 1. My final target goal is 190 to 195 @ 5% bf. But this to me is not a race, even tho my results have been very extreme due to long hours at the gym with a 150% spot on diet. I even made a spreadsheet for myself to calculate all my food intake per meal and total overall.

    I look forward to the future and hope I can achieve my goal in 2 years. Maybe sooner if I can keep dem extreme results going lol...

    Total time at the gym as of today is close to 8 months. Pics taken day 1 and then 6 months during slow bulk.

    Hope this motivates some of you!

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    Fantastic results, especially from day 1 > day 90 results. You're crazy shredded. Personally I prefer the 10% bf look anyhow. Congrats!
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    Exclamation Help with Macros/Diet

    Ok so to start of I'm 16 years old. I work out 4 times a week. I'm 158lbs and 5'8" tall. I say I currently have around 20%-23% body fat. I've been hitting the gym for 9 months and I've seen changes my in my strength but I'm not as cut as I'd like to be. I'd like to be around 16% fat in 3 months and your results have me surprised. I'd like to see if you could help me calculate my macros so I can get the proper diet going. Let me know if you are willing to help. Thanks a lot man and I'm really looking forward to your response. PS: I can't really make my own meal during school so I settle for whatever is being served. Never buy chips/cookies though only fruits and whatever entree is the healthiest option. Also, should I drink school milk or keep drinking water? @vsebi
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    Originally Posted by Edgar0183 View Post
    Ok so to start of I'm 16 years old. I work out 4 times a week. I'm 158lbs and 5'8" tall. I say I currently have around 20%-23% body fat. I've been hitting the gym for 9 months and I've seen changes my in my strength but I'm not as cut as I'd like to be. I'd like to be around 16% fat in 3 months and your results have me surprised. I'd like to see if you could help me calculate my macros so I can get the proper diet going. Let me know if you are willing to help. Thanks a lot man and I'm really looking forward to your response. PS: I can't really make my own meal during school so I settle for whatever is being served. Never buy chips/cookies though only fruits and whatever entree is the healthiest option. Also, should I drink school milk or keep drinking water? @vsebi
    I'm also taking Creatine and Protein Supplements as well as Multivitamins and Glutamine. I just started Creatine, Multivitamins, and Glutamine 3 weeks ago. I also have a question about figuring out how exactly to find the amount of g a food has besides the nutrition facts.
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    Very nice job, very motivating!

    90% of people come to gym and do fitness while thinking that they are bodybuilding. BB is very strict on diet and workout itself. I see a person who did a really good research and worked really hard to achieve this, the haters are those 90% that never really get anywhere, but always point fingers at successful people and blame it on juice. Do some research dummies, BBs don't use juice to get skinnier, they use it when they are at their natural peak to blow up some more mass!

    Anyway great work OP!
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    is this real life? cot damn op good stuff bro. keep it up.
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    Originally Posted by Neezaa View Post
    inb4 p90x sponsorship
    Where? Hey if any supplement companies etc want to sponsor me go head! lol GO GO SPONSORSHIPS!

    I take Allmax products (not the whey tho, i get dem whey from costoc baby!) Opti men multi vitamin...come at me companies lol!!

    is this real life? cot damn op good stuff bro. keep it up.
    Thnx bro!

    Very nice job, very motivating!

    90% of people come to gym and do fitness while thinking that they are bodybuilding. BB is very strict on diet and workout itself. I see a person who did a really good research and worked really hard to achieve this, the haters are those 90% that never really get anywhere, but always point fingers at successful people and blame it on juice. Do some research dummies, BBs don't use juice to get skinnier, they use it when they are at their natural peak to blow up some more mass!

    Anyway great work OP!
    Sadly before posting on here I never even thought for a second it would be like this, but sadly many who don't achieve appear to get pretty upset about the few of us who actually put in our time/hard work and 200% dedication in what we do...naw, must be me on cell tech....thnx for your kind comments!

    Fantastic results, especially from day 1 > day 90 results. You're crazy shredded. Personally I prefer the 10% bf look anyhow. Congrats!
    Thnx bro, i'm now at 174lbs 8.9% bf going to up the bulk a bit next week by 200 cals see how it goes, collect some rewards! Will post pics!


    Edgar0183 and the rest of you guys asking dem Qs i'll do my best to answer you all on the weekend, very busy these days don't have time to do long posts, same with all the messages, I'll reply on weekend, be patient

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    Originally Posted by thenightskies View Post
    rofl if he claims natty
    this. but i dont believe he is claiming its natty. still a sick phucking transformation tho!
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    Originally Posted by Dedicated22 View Post
    this. but i dont believe he is claiming its natty. still a sick phucking transformation tho!
    bro, i AM natural, lol wow.......hey if a company does actually sponsor me first thing they should do is a test to prove i am!! haha.....that would be awesome, or if ya'll tell me where to test in vancouver,bc i'll do it!

    phew, all the messages replied! lol
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    Originally Posted by LarsD View Post
    Whatsup man,

    As a new enthusiast I'd like to hear your opinion on something (I've been gathering information for quite some time):

    I recently switched from ''messing around with weights'' (self made compound-heavy 3 day split twice a week M:Push, T:Pull, W: Legs, T: off, F:lowweight push, S: lowweight pull, s: lowweight legs, M: off routine) to finding my maintenance cals and getting rid of some stubborn bodyfat (which is going well) whilst doing a FBW (All Pros) 3x a week with some cardio included.

    As a newb in week 4 I'm doing just fine but I ''miss'' feeling my muscles after a workout. Even after the ''heavy'' day I will not be sore the next day or the day after. I was sore after every workout in my own brosplit which felt great but following advice I switched to a routine that's been proven to work.

    Is this all in my mind? Should I just disregard the fact that I'm not feeling any soreness? I'm sure it'll kick in a few cycles (thus more weight) from now but it just feels off not feeling anything the day after having worked out.

    What's your take on this? As I have a lot of free time atm (finding a job...) I find I have to hold back on All Pro's simply because the urge to workout nearly every day, which was possible with the compound orientated split, is very high since I have an old smith-like-machine + bench & barbells cramped up in my attic.

    Just looking to gather some advice! In the meantime I'll keep progressing on AP's as planned and will start a slow bulk soon (my small abs are beginning to show).
    Hey bro,

    I never followed any of those routines or anything like that, even when I was new. I just went in head first to the old school Mon to Fri routine (which worked for me) focus on a muscle per day plus the subs as explained earlier in this thread. This is what worked for me. I still, even today, feel soreness, not as extreme as when I first started, but still there. A lot of factors can actually make it so you don't feel much soreness, if you have long periods of good sleep this reduces soreness, supplements also do their job and so does high protein. For example, yesterday was my leg day, today my legs are sore like bam. My back, shoulder, triceps, traps, biceps and somewhat chest are a bit sore too. Are you really pushing yourself to your limit when you're at the gym? I also aim to push myself to the limit of what I can do without losing form and while still doing it proper. I usually don't care if like at the last set, my last 3 reps I "cheat" or lose a bit of form. So long as 95% of it was done correctly.

    I am really not familiar with any of these "Allpro" and whatever routines many of you do when you're starting out. I'm sure they work for lotta people etc, but it just depends on the person. Like I said, I never did any of that...just went balls in from day 1, no excuses no waiting around...You can still maintain HIGH fat loss by doing a proper solid diet and cardio 5 times a week for 20 mins max at the END of your workout. Btw, I never did "HITT" or any of that...it's funny, I actually use the elliptical only lol kept it above a specific number for speed, and put it level 16 always...I'm the type that avoids anything that can cause extra tension or damage to my joints, other than my workout, I try to do other things to make things easier on my joints, but this again is my mentality.

    I have the same feeling with Allpro, i like the heavy day as i feel worked, and while not sore, I feel fatigued the next day, but he mid and light days, just son't make me feel like i have worked (the light almost seems pointless and i end up doing a cardio session right after as well).

    While i am still getting good results with fat loss, I am attributing this to 95% diet, though i haven't lost much LBM (this has sat at around 74kgs all the way through). I am going to stick with it through my cut (expect to hit target end of april time) whereby i will be skinnyish, but going to try something else for my clean bulk, like JBs Beginner Routine, which seems to have a little bit more volume than SS.
    Exactly bro, a lot of your loss IS your diet...I can give you a diet plan to follow, as long as you cal intake a day is less than what you burn daily by being alive, you WILL lose weight lol No magical program here. To do the type of workouts we do, cardio etc and push yourself to the max is only to enhance the effect and speed things up. I'm not familiar with any of these beginner routine guides so sadly I can't comment or help anyone with em, those guys been at it longer and everyone has their view on how things should be done. What worked for me was going in balls deep on day 1 to a regular routine, 5 times a week etc, 2 to 2.5hrs a day...might not be for all tho.

    Hey bro thanks for the reply. At 5 feet 5 inches tall and 165 lbs.... I figured 1500 calories should be enough for a shred..that's why the calories are low.. I think that i tend to put on fat quite easily.. Didn't you get shredded at around that amount of calories as well?

    I will definitely start eating more greens/vegetables.
    Hey bro,

    Everyone is different with how their body reacts or gains/loses fat. I was shredding at 1900 to 2k cals per day, but my workouts were heavy/extreme 5 times a week. I did cardio 5 times a week at the end of my workout ( 20 mins max ) and my ab workout alone is 30 mins. I did not want to risk losing a lot of muscle, but mainly losing as much fat as possible, so my shred was different. I am also taller than you so my cal requirements will be different to do the same thing. I did follow http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=121703981 at the very start when I was figuring out my in/out macros etc and I gave myself a window, the #s came to 2k there so i did 1900 to 2k, experiment weekly to see what works. But that thread is very helpful bro, read it and see what you come up with

    Anyways, good progress OP regardless.

    Edit : repped
    Thnx bro, and I'm still open to testing if anyone tells me where in van,bc,canada I can do this lol

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