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    Originally Posted by timmzzy1 View Post
    Ok op, im in, 6'4 250lbs @ 12% bf, enlighten me as to what my natty limit is
    You can easily hit 300 single digits, no question. Whether or not you have the heart and dedication to get to 320+ is not for me to say.
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    I LOLed hard... At least this is true
    It's all true
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    5'6 190 = wot is limit
    You can easily hit 220 lean
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    OP U trolling? Or are you just retarded?
    Why do people keep saying I'm trolling?
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    I'm 235 lb in the morning at around 16% body fat, at 6'4". I've been training for a year and a half. My legs are huge, my arms are probably one of my weaker parts and they're almost 17 inches cold. My wrists are 7.5, ankles 9.5. What's my genetic potential and how long will it take, around 4 years in total?
    You can easily hit 290 shredded. Maybe 300 (at 10% tho)

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    17 years old 141 5'10 11% body fat.
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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    Well considering you're 6'3 I reckon you can easily get to a solid 250lbs @10%. Maybe more if you have good genetics?

    Also depends on BCAAs and ECAs and stuff. Creatine isn't fully natty but as long as you don't take more than 5g it's ok.
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    The first reason being that carbohydrates are much more muscle sparing than fats during times of stress when glucose becomes a primary source of fuel (i.e. anaerobic exercise, injury, infection, etc). The muscle sparing effects of carbohydrates occur via several different mechanisms. When the body is in a low energy state, it may try to produce energy by converting amino acids to glucose. Carbohydrates prevent this since they can be easily broken down (and converted if need be) to glucose molecules. Carbohydrates then spare dietary protein from oxidation and these proteins can be stored rather than oxidized.Carbohydrates are also very muscle sparing during exercise. When one lifts heavy weights, the primary pathway that is used to produce ATP (cellular energy currency) is the anaerobic or glycolytic pathway (as the name implies this pathway operates in the absence of oxygen). The only substrate for this pathway is glucose, which can be obtained from dietary carbohydrates or by breaking down glycogen (the cell’s stored form of glucose).
    If one is on a ketogenic or extreme “low carb” diet however, the body will need to utilize another source to synthesize glucose from.
    Since glycogen levels are low on a ketogenic diet, the body will actually convert amino acids to glucose and this glucose will be used in the anaerobic pathway to produce ATP. These amino acids will come from dietary protein, amino acids from the cellular amino acid pool, and from muscle tissue. The latter situation is where one would experience muscle loss. Dietary protein would be sacrificed for ATP production and the depleted amino acid pool would not bode well for protein synthesis rates, thus causing a net loss in muscle mass.
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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    Carbs spike insulin and fats are stored as fats??? They need to be gone for you to lose weight quickly.
    @the rest of yo post :I can tell, I'm really good srs

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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    You can easily hit 300 single digits, no question. Whether or not you have the heart and dedication to get to 320+ is not for me to say.

    It's all true

    You can easily hit 220 lean

    Why do people keep saying I'm trolling?

    You can easily hit 290 shredded. Maybe 300 (at 10% tho)

    And it'll take you 1-2 years of heavy lifting and good diet

    Nvm. Looked at username and troll confirmed. lel
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    whats my limit op im 6''2 193lbs kinda skinnyphat
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    Originally Posted by nicolas129 View Post
    17 years old 141 5'10 11% body fat.
    Easy 240-250lbs lean.
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    The first reason being that carbohydrates are much more muscle sparing than fats during times of stress when glucose becomes a primary source of fuel (i.e. anaerobic exercise, injury, infection, etc). The muscle sparing effects of carbohydrates occur via several different mechanisms. When the body is in a low energy state, it may try to produce energy by converting amino acids to glucose. Carbohydrates prevent this since they can be easily broken down (and converted if need be) to glucose molecules. Carbohydrates then spare dietary protein from oxidation and these proteins can be stored rather than oxidized.Carbohydrates are also very muscle sparing during exercise. When one lifts heavy weights, the primary pathway that is used to produce ATP (cellular energy currency) is the anaerobic or glycolytic pathway (as the name implies this pathway operates in the absence of oxygen). The only substrate for this pathway is glucose, which can be obtained from dietary carbohydrates or by breaking down glycogen (the cell’s stored form of glucose).
    If one is on a ketogenic or extreme “low carb” diet however, the body will need to utilize another source to synthesize glucose from.
    Since glycogen levels are low on a ketogenic diet, the body will actually convert amino acids to glucose and this glucose will be used in the anaerobic pathway to produce ATP. These amino acids will come from dietary protein, amino acids from the cellular amino acid pool, and from muscle tissue. The latter situation is where one would experience muscle loss. Dietary protein would be sacrificed for ATP production and the depleted amino acid pool would not bode well for protein synthesis rates, thus causing a net loss in muscle mass.
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    Wow.
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    whats my limit op im 6''2 193lbs kinda skinnyphat
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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    Easy 240-250lbs lean.


    mirin neg bro. DW, I gots you back on R/C

    I study exercise science, that's why I'm so knowledgeable

    Probably around 265 @8%. Maybe more depending on supps/dedication/muscle confusion etc
    Any good supps to gain musclez?
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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    Easy 240-250lbs lean.


    mirin neg bro. DW, I gots you back on R/C

    I study exercise science, that's why I'm so knowledgeable

    Probably around 265 @8%. Maybe more depending on supps/dedication/muscle confusion etc

    only 265lbs at 8%? lmao, im 6'1 but 345lbs stage ready, come at me bro
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    You can easily hit 290 shredded. Maybe 300 (at 10% tho)



    And it'll take you 1-2 years of heavy lifting and good diet[/QUOTE]


    How I wish I could believe that are you saying that I'll ook similar to Toney Freeman or Gunter Schlierkamp.
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    OP is a *******. My natty limit is 999 lbs at 0.1% bf.
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    OP I have news for you. At 6'0" you'll probably never be 200+lbs and under 10% BF unless you're rocking some high end genetics. You're probably not, so that's that.
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    he predicted 220 lean at 5"6

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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    You can easily hit 300 single digits, no question. Whether or not you have the heart and dedication to get to 320+ is not for me to say.
    I loled at this
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    Mine seems to be higher than the online calculators. I'm sitting around 240lbs at 6'1" and 12-14% bf.

    Certainly don't have a bodybuilder physique since I do the olympic lifts mainly. Most of my weight is in my legs, core, and back.

    I think doing heavy squats 5x a week along with doing the lifts 5x a week boosts testosterone levels naturally.

    I just lift hard and eat a lot, doesn't matter where the calories come from. A decent amount come from pizza and beer. As long as you get your protein in, the rest of the calories don't matter.

    Cutting advice: PSMF in 5 day cycles works wonders. You only burn fat, no muscle loss.
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    LMAO Op is the biggest troll ever or just a crackhead ahahahahah No ones natty limit is 220+ lbs retard ahahah most people If they work there ass of can reach 200 lbs lean and maybe 205-210 lbs lean with good genetics and crazy dedication...210 lbs+ below 10% bf and at a avg height STEROIDS usually or genetic freaks
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    How do you analyze my DNA from a bb.com post??? Goddamn teach me please.. notsrs

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    Originally Posted by Blacklabel3 View Post
    OP I have news for you. At 6'0" you'll probably never be 200+lbs and under 10% BF unless you're rocking some high end genetics. You're probably not, so that's that.
    ^ITT people who don't have dedication and heart
    Originally Posted by mikey78910 View Post
    he predicted 220 lean at 5"6

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    Originally Posted by coldvein View Post
    Mine seems to be higher than the online calculators. I'm sitting around 240lbs at 6'1" and 12-14% bf.

    Certainly don't have a bodybuilder physique since I do the olympic lifts mainly. Most of my weight is in my legs, core, and back.

    I think doing heavy squats 5x a week along with doing the lifts 5x a week boosts testosterone levels naturally.
    I just lift hard and eat a lot, doesn't matter where the calories come from. A decent amount come from pizza and beer. As long as you get your protein in, the rest of the calories don't matter.
    Cutting advice: PSMF in 5 day cycles works wonders. You only burn fat, no muscle loss.
    If you're saying you're 240lbs but "don't have the bodybuilder physique" and don't track macros then you're definitely fat. (no offence)
    Originally Posted by Roshaan1 View Post
    LMAO Op is the biggest troll ever or just a crackhead ahahahahah No ones natty limit is 220+ lbs retard ahahah most people If they work there ass of can reach 200 lbs lean and maybe 205-210 lbs lean with good genetics and crazy dedication...210 lbs+ below 10% bf and at a avg height STEROIDS usually or genetic freaks
    Everyone can easily reach 250lean...I'm hoping to be over 240 @ less than 15% BF before I'm 19
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    How do you analyze my DNA from a bb.com post??? Goddamn teach me please.. notsrs
    OP your genetic pot. for IQ is about 12
    Your natty potential is a chubby 156lbs *******
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    Easy 276lbs shredded. Maybe more with the right supplements
    lol wut, i want to be leaf. lold at supplement part aswell. so by the "right supplements" you mean dat dere yeah?
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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    I always see these threads where people are talking about natural limits and genetic limits.


    They're much higher than you think.

    I am currently a high BF 220 and recomping. I can easily put on a lot of muscle just by changing up my routine and diet. Then cutting out carbs and fats to shred up.


    Post ITT and I'll tell you your genetic limit srs.



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    Hey dude. No-one can judge and say what your natural limit is. It is based purely on your genetic disposition. For all we know, you may have some genetic characteristics that allows you to become as big as a pro (though highly unlikely). We can use averages, but then again, not all human beings are born the same. Everyone is different. For someone to say that you can only go as far as so and so would be wrong. I think the best thing to do is to work hard and see where your body takes you.
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    OP,

    Would you say that the Steve Reeves, and willoughby (found on 'Illpumpyou') have much credit in their estimations?

    As i'm 5'2, the calculators estimate around 150lbs with 10%bf. Would you say this is accurate?
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    Originally Posted by AussieJuNior View Post
    Hey dude. No-one can judge and say what your natural limit is. It is based purely on your genetic disposition. For all we know, you may have some genetic characteristics that allows you to become as big as a pro (though highly unlikely). We can use averages, but then again, not all human beings are born the same. Everyone is different. For someone to say that you can only go as far as so and so would be wrong. I think the best thing to do is to work hard and see where your body takes you.
    Yea, the estimations should take into consideration an individual's nationality too. Like somoans would probably have a higher genetic potential then chinese
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    Originally Posted by fuuaarrkk View Post
    lol wut, i want to be leaf. lold at supplement part aswell. so by the "right supplements" you mean dat dere yeah?
    I don't know what you speak of good sir
    Originally Posted by douglasmich View Post
    OP whats my natty limit, training experience: 7 months, current 185lbs 10% at 6ft
    Easy 280 @6%
    Originally Posted by AussieJuNior View Post
    Hey dude. No-one can judge and say what your natural limit is. It is based purely on your genetic disposition. For all we know, you may have some genetic characteristics that allows you to become as big as a pro (though highly unlikely). We can use averages, but then again, not all human beings are born the same. Everyone is different. For someone to say that you can only go as far as so and so would be wrong. I think the best thing to do is to work hard and see where your body takes you.
    OK bro....
    Originally Posted by amenccm View Post
    OP,
    Would you say that the Steve Reeves, and willoughby (found on 'Illpumpyou') have much credit in their estimations?
    As i'm 5'2, the calculators estimate around 150lbs with 10%bf. Would you say this is accurate?
    naa bro, easy 256 @8%
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    Yea, the estimations should take into consideration an individual's nationality too. Like somoans would probably have a higher genetic potential then chinese
    I'm chinese
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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    I don't know what you speak of good sir

    Easy 280 @6%

    OK bro....

    naa bro, easy 256 @8%

    I'm chinese

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    lol at this..
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    Well considering you're 6'3 I reckon you can easily get to a solid 250lbs @10%. Maybe more if you have good genetics?

    Also depends on BCAAs and ECAs and stuff. Creatine isn't fully natty but as long as you don't take more than 5g it's ok.
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    Originally Posted by OneMA2011 View Post
    Creatine isn't fully natty but as long as you don't take more than 5g it's ok.
    Can you explain me what did u mean with creatin is not natty ?
    natural bodybuilding for da winners ;)
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    There is an article about your genetic limit. Lyle mcdonald or Layne Norton wrote it, but it is translated to my language so i can't post the link.
    Your genetic limit is:
    When you are competition lean
    Your height in cm -100 +-4 kg= kg of your genetic potential
    Note: This is only your lean mass weight. It does not count those few pounds which are coming form creatine or carb up or both
    When you are a bit bulkier then it can be higher
    Look at OP
    He is 6'1"= 183 cm
    He is 225 lbs and 15 % bodyfat (looking at his avi it seems right, maybe just a little bit higher) so his fat free weight is 191.25 lbs which is 87 kg he did not reached his genetic potential and if he would cut he would be under it how could he say that the genetic potential is higher than this if he had not reached it yet
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