Crossfit.

[Filthadelphia]

Navy Cross recipient Capt. Chontosh on Crossfit and its military applications:

[TooLateForRoses]

Call it haphazard and random but that's the point. It's not geared for bodybuilding. It's geared for the military, law enforcement, and firefighting.

Which is fine, but it is absurd for crossfit to make the claim that natural bodybuilders wont come close to crossfitters in terms of lbm.

Someone who is focused 100% on achieving one thing is always going to progress more in that one thing than someone who is focused 10% on achieving 10 different things, if all other variables are constant.

[nastynate87]

Those high-rep timed box jumps cause the Achilles to rupture

[Filthadelphia]

Those high-rep timed box jumps cause the Achilles to rupture

Box jumps are part of the Fartlek course at Marine OCS.

Anything has risk of injury. If there's no risk of injury, it wouldn't be exercise.

[Cjjlpsp]

Box jumps are part of the Fartlek course at Marine OCS.

Anything has risk of injury. If there's no risk of injury, it wouldn't be exercise.

That's true, but I'm willing to bet the odds of injury are much higher in "crossfit" exercises

[yummy22]

Navy Cross recipient Capt. Chontosh on Crossfit and its military applications:

didn't watch

You know he is getting paid to market it right? So what he is saying is just probably bs to make easy money.

[Filthadelphia]

Which is fine, but it is absurd for crossfit to make the claim that natural bodybuilders wont come close to crossfitters in terms of lbm.

Someone who is focused 100% on achieving one thing is always going to progress more in that one thing than someone who is focused 10% on achieving 10 different things, if all other variables are constant.

That line is silly marketing BS to appeal to certain demographics. Of course you're right.

The Crossfit establishment knows this because, yes, I'm a member of their forum, I always hear stuff like it's better to only have a 225 bench but also run a sub-21 minute 5K and have 20+ deadhang pullups than to have a 300+lb bench and be slow and struggle at pullups. Crossfit is very big on being jacks of all trades, rather than specialists, which makes sense in a military context.

Straight from the marketing:

CrossFit is the principal strength and conditioning program for many police academies and tactical operations teams, military special operations units, champion martial artists, and hundreds of other elite and professional athletes worldwide.

Our program delivers a fitness that is, by design, broad, general, and inclusive. Our specialty is not specializing. Combat, survival, many sports, and life reward this kind of fitness and, on average, punish the specialist.

So yes, the marketing is contradictory but the latter is what Crossfit is about.

[CTpump]

strong thread

This

Smart people don't crossfit they go lift weights

Seems all the hype that is crossfit the risks outweigh the results

[Tune5k]

mirin sloot

[tank2003]

lol...crossfit

[Filthadelphia]

mirin sloot

What has to be remembered is that Crossfit is so decentralized. Yes, there's the main Crossfit.com site but individual gyms and websites do their own programming.

Remember Gym Jones, the gym behind getting the 300 actors ripped? It was a Crossfit gym that broke off. Others keep the branding but bring in other influences. It's decentralized.


Half the pictures in this thread are clearly not crossfit (ie- using machines; Crossfitters would never use pulley machines, believe me), jokes (the kipping everything ones), or some bizarre **** that some retard at A crossfit gym somewhere (remember, decentralized) came up with.


Like I said. Browse Crossfit.com's WODs or look at that video to get an idea of what Crossfit SHOULD be and what is IS if it's done right.

[CTpump]

lol...crossfit

And there's a crossfit gym not far from me...so tempted to troll it haha

Also when I see *******s doing crossfit routines at my gym I call them out when I see that go down

[TooLateForRoses]

Also forgot to mention earlier, my dads friend called me the other day. He knows I am in the midst of getting my personal training career started and has been crossfitting for several months, with some success at losing weight. He was concerned because he thought crossfit was going to overtake conventional lifting and eliminate the personal trainer in the long run. I was just like lol when was the last time you heard "p90x" come out of someones mouth. Conventional gym/lifting/trainer not going anywhere.

I think crossfit has its place but the execution of it by the masses is just screaming maximization of injury risk and mediocre physique results. I'm sure everyone doing it "feels better" and is probably in overall better health, but 95% of the people I know that crossfit look like skinnyfat average joes, and love telling me how much more functional strength they have than me.

I know there are exceptions to this, and as I said, I do think crossfit has its place.

What has to be remembered is that Crossfit is so decentralized. Yes, there's the main Crossfit.com site but individual gyms and websites do their own programming.

Remember Gym Jones, the gym behind getting the 300 actors ripped? It was a Crossfit gym that broke off. Others keep the branding but bring in other influences. It's decentralized.


Half the pictures in this thread are clearly not crossfit (ie- using machines; Crossfitters would never use pulley machines, believe me), jokes (the kipping everything ones), or some bizarre **** that some retard at A crossfit gym somewhere (remember, decentralized) came up with.


Like I said. Browse Crossfit.com's WODs or look at that video to get an idea of what Crossfit SHOULD be and what is IS if it's done right.

The sad reality is that the majority of crossfitters don't go get the WOD themselves. They go to a crossfit gym and listen to some moron telling them to destroy their rotator cuffs and that is why the image is what it is today. 2-3 years ago I had friends getting the WOD themselves and doing at conventional gyms. That was when the nearest crossfit gym was downtown atlanta. Now there are like 4 within a 10 mile radius of me.

people like you are the exception at this point brah, not the rule.

[HevEw8]

if all the crossfit people looked like or had the form of the dude and the chick in the commercial i dont think they would get so much hate.... the BIGGEST thing everyone hates on is the fact that the people doing it run rampant and look like they are one slip away from a fractured vertebra or a slipped disc (or 3)

[Filthadelphia]

And there's a crossfit gym not far from me...so tempted to troll it haha

Also when I see *******s doing crossfit routines at my gym I call them out when I see that go down

Call me out when I'm doing 'Cindy'... 20 minutes, as many rounds as possible of 5 pullups, 10 pushups, 15 air squats.

Like last Saturday when I was doing it in boots with two Marine Captains, a Second Lieutenant, and a Staff Sergeant in between a run and rope climbing.

Come at us.

[CTpump]

Call me out when I'm doing 'Cindy'... 20 minutes, as many rounds as possible of 5 pullups, 10 pushups, 15 air squats.

Like last Saturday when I was doing it in boots with two Marine Captains, a Second Lieutenant, and a Staff Sergeant in between a run and rope climbing.

Come at us.

Not hating on people in the military but do all platoons in the all the services make use of crossfit exercises, or is it a modified version? I am sure you know that form and technique is important to avoid injury amirite?

[Filthadelphia]

Not hating on people in the military but do all platoons in the all the services make use of crossfit exercises, or is it a modified version? I am sure you know that form and technique is important to avoid injury amirite?

I can't speak on it beyond my limited experience at OCS and this Delay Entry stuff. I'm going back to OCS on February 11th to finish training and commission. We have Marines at this forum who will be better able to answer how widespread Crossfit is.

I can only say that we did it and Crossfit-style exercises at OCS and every Marine officer I know is a Crossfit proponent. I don't know how much the enlisted side supports it or how widespread it is in the Fleet.

[yummy22]

For military you just need good cardio with average level of strength

Most of your training should be with your equipment

Training similar to how mma fighters do with their strength and conditioning programs would be safer and more effective then the stupid **** crossfit makes you do. Join a mma gym you'll learn self defense and get in good shape if your training for military purposes.

If goal is to build muscle yeah crossfit is retarded

[Goldbrah]

Crossfit is pretty much guaranteed to ruin your back, rupture your achilles, and give you rhabdomyolosis. And this cult mentality that they emphasize where it's "cool to still work out when injured", and they consider themselves these urban warriors is literally the stupidest, stupidest thing I can ever think of. Not to mention all the self-centered, vainglorious pregnant women who miscarry every year because they insist that they're so tough they can do the exercises while pregnant.

[fFozzie]

Meanwhile, you can go to Crossfit.com and get REAL ACTUAL Crossfit workouts. What were the last 3 Workouts of the Day?

Wednesday: 3 rounds: 9-7-5 reps of: Muscle ups, 135lb squat snatch

Tuesday: 15-12-9 reps of Clean & Jerk

Monday: For time:
50 double unders (jumping rope)
50 burpees
50 wall ball shots (20lb ball)
50 back extensions
50 push press 45lbs
50 knees to elbows
50 steps Walking lunges
50 kettlebell swings, 1 pood
50 jumping pullups
50 box jumps, 24 inch box


Call it haphazard and random but that's the point. It's not geared for bodybuilding. It's geared for the military, law enforcement, and firefighting.


At Marine OCS, we did Crossfit. The PTI's and the Company First Sergeant called it Crossfit by name. Most of us officer candidates, including myself, trained for the Marines by doing Crossfit.

Navy Cross recipient Capt. Chontosh on Crossfit and its military applications:

The 'cult' of Crossfit in the military/tactical community is even more apparent then in the civilian world; case in point. You have got to be joking if you seriously think 'Crossfit' has some sort of monopoly on that sort of workout program.


(I am heavily involved in the tactical/military community so I'm not just bs-ing and I know you are part of it as well)


Stuff like www.militaryathlete.com is far superior; but also things like strongman training will go a LONG WAY to being effective on the battlefield.


Crossfit mainly makes you better at Crossfit; which is fine.

[CTpump]

I can't speak on it beyond my limited experience at OCS and this Delay Entry stuff. I'm going back to OCS on February 11th to finish training and commission. We have Marines at this forum who will be better able to answer how widespread Crossfit is.

I can only say that we did it and Crossfit-style exercises at OCS and every Marine officer I know is a Crossfit proponent. I don't know how much the enlisted side supports it or how widespread it is in the Fleet.

Ahh I see...so in a sense crossfit is primarily for cardio purposes and that sort of thing works well in the military. Would be interesting to see what input the other military members here have on this topic

For military you just need good cardio with average level of strength

Most of your training should be with your equipment

Training similar to how mma fighters do with their strength and conditioning programs would be safer and more effective then the stupid **** crossfit makes you do. Join a mma gym you'll learn self defense and get in good shape if your training for military purposes.

If goal is to build muscle yeah crossfit is retarded

Absolutely

[fFozzie]

Ahh I see...so in a sense crossfit is primarily for cardio purposes and that sort of thing works well in the military. Would be interesting to see what input the other military members here have on this topic


Absolutely

See above. Crossfit is a trend in the military just like everywhere else; but being in the military somehow grants credence to the trend in comparison to civilians promoting it.


I am not even a hater, just saying how it is.

[remdra]

sure I crossfit mouhahahahhahahahha ( not srs)


very srs about the not srs mouhahahha

[Filthadelphia]

people like you are the exception at this point brah, not the rule.

I can live with what you and the last few posters have said.

I'm sure we can agree that ANY routine in the wrong hands will end up terrible, injury-ridden, and mockable, not just Crossfit. Crossfit's ad-hoc nature with very varied exercises, competitive time and rep-oriented schemes, no periodization, and decentralized structure may make it more susceptible to injury or ineffectiveness in the wrong hands, though.

But this anti-Crossfit attitude the typical Miscer has is so hyperbolic and silly; it's a caricature that they're making fun of and they're throwing the baby with the bath water.

Is it ideal for bodybuilding? Probably not.

But could the average Miscer use a 'Cindy' session or attempt a muscle up every once in a while? Certainly. And that tells me, why hate?

[CTpump]

See above. Crossfit is a trend in the military just like everywhere else; but being in the military somehow grants credence to the trend in comparison to civilians promoting it.


I am not even a hater, just saying how it is.

Not really a hater of crossfit but its just that people thinking its a strength builder when its geared more to cardio aspects and that people tend to get confused

I can live with what you and the last few posters have said.

I'm sure we can agree that ANY routine in the wrong hands will end up terrible, injury-ridden, and mockable, not just Crossfit. Crossfit's ad-hoc nature with very varied exercises, competitive time and rep-oriented schemes, no periodization, and decentralized structure may make it more susceptible to injury or ineffectiveness in the wrong hands, though.

But this anti-Crossfit attitude the typical Miscer has is so hyperbolic and silly; it's a caricature that they're making fun of and they're throwing the baby with the bath water.

Is it ideal for bodybuilding? Probably not.

But could the average Miscer use a 'Cindy' session or attempt a muscle up every once in a while? Certainly. And that tells me, why hate?

Very understandable brah

[jb4476]

I would train at a nearby Crossfit gym, not do to actual Crossfit of course, but to do Olympic lifting, because the gym also housed an Olympic lifting club.

CF always struck me as a bit strange. It seems so random and insufficiently goal oriented, and when they tried doing the Olympic lifting movements....*srs cringing*. Most of them the patience and lack of "stupid hothead" tendencies required to be good at those movements so they should probably give up in that domain. A lot of them had godawful mobility and their form on a lot of things was just fuarking terrible. Even squatting. Come on, squatting is not rocket science.

I don't understand why they think they're so special or why they wear their ridiculous shirts saying things like "often imitated, never duplicated". Even if your goal was to be good across a variety of "modal domains" (to use CF marketing speak) don't you think you would be better training for an actual sport that demanded a variety of physical abilities, like the pentathalon (which requires flexibility, speed, strength, explosive power, coordination, reasonable amount of endurance for the 1500 m) or Olympic weightlifting (explosive power, flexibility, technical ability, strength, agility, coordination)? You'd most likely be far better off given that you were actually working with planning and structure toward goals, which are anathema to CF and it's "random **** all the ****ing time" philosophy.

[fFozzie]

But could the average Miscer use a 'Cindy' session or attempt a muscle up every once in a while? Certainly. And that tells me, why hate?

Because you could just say:
"Complete as many rounds in 20 minutes as you can of:
5 Pull-ups
10 Push-ups
15 Squats"

Instead of calling it 'Crossfit' or 'Cindy', etc. As soon as you call it 'Crossfit' you HAVE to deal with what you are calling a caricature, because that is the reality. The only thing that makes it 'Crossfit' and not a series of exercises is the 'lifestyle' surrounding it or the sport/competition aspect of it.

'Crossfit' is the 'caricature' you are talking about, not HIIT/circuit training/Olympic lifting/etc.

[HandstandPushup]

At first I was





as I read more and more of the thread I was like

[Filthadelphia]

Stuff like www.militaryathlete.com is far superior; but also things like strongman training will go a LONG WAY to being effective on the battlefield.

Rob Shaul, who runs militaryathlete and mountainathlete was affiliated with Crossfit at one point.

There was an odd 'purge' about 3-4 years ago where a lot of Crossfit-affiliated figures (like Rippetoe, Dan John, the Paleo guy I forgot his name, etc.) broke ties with the organization. It wasn't about fitness, as far as I know, but probably about Coach Glassman's ego.

[fFozzie]

Rob Shaul, who runs militaryathlete and mountainathlete was affiliated with Crossfit at one point.

There was an odd 'purge' about 3-4 years ago where a lot of Crossfit-affiliated figures (like Rippetoe, Dan John, the Paleo guy I forgot his name, etc.) broke ties with the organization. It wasn't about fitness, as far as I know, but probably about Coach Glassman's ego.

As I said in my previous post 'Crossfit' is not about a certain kind of training, it is about 'Crossfit'. That is what people broke away from.