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    Looking for new pre-workout

    Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling

    without creatine as I already take 5g per day

    should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?
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    BodyForge is a great option, and is non-stim

    Also, Look for BodyForge 2.0 when it's released - should be very soon!

    Tons of properly dosed actives in a non-prop profile, and it will definitely help improve endurance, recovery, and pumps. You can skip the Creatine too, as it will cover your daily needs as well.
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    Citrulline Malate > Citrulline
    Agmatine >>> Arginine

    Why spend money on a preworkout formula you know is going to underdose these ingredients? Buy them in bulk and you can dose them efficaciously to your advantage. SNS sells both CM and Agmatine. You might also want to look into COP and beta alanine as well, two of the most endurance-boosting ingredients I can think of.
    The above opinion is my own and does not reflect the opinion of the companies I shill for.
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    Originally Posted by 4343 View Post
    Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling

    without creatine as I already take 5g per day

    should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?
    Are you looking for NON-stim? Or just moderately stimmed?

    As for non stim- Body Octane is probably your best bet

    As for lighter stimmed product, I'd suggest checking out ErgoPump

    at only 175mg caffeine per scoop its an excellent choice for those of us who are more sensitive than others
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    Gaspari Superpump Max (Uncle Richie's Sour Green Apple flavor) or Controlled Labs White Flood are my two go-to pre's.




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    Originally Posted by 4343 View Post
    Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling

    without creatine as I already take 5g per day

    should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?
    i bet you will love iForce Hemavol
    it is stim free,creatine free .

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    No2˛ Vasodilation Support Matrix Proprietary Blend150mg:

    L-Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine, Vitamin C (As Ascorbic Acid), Rutacaerpine, Epimedium (20%)

    i use 2 scoops. nice pumps,endurance and my recovery is much better.
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    Originally Posted by xLGx View Post
    Citrulline Malate > Citrulline
    Agmatine >>> Arginine

    Why spend money on a preworkout formula you know is going to underdose these ingredients? Buy them in bulk and you can dose them efficaciously to your advantage. SNS sells both CM and Agmatine. You might also want to look into COP and beta alanine as well, two of the most endurance-boosting ingredients I can think of.
    ^^^^^ well said



    Originally Posted by Big_Spaz View Post
    Gaspari Superpump Max (Uncle Richie's Sour Green Apple flavor) or Controlled Labs White Flood are my two go-to pre's.




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    Originally Posted by Danes View Post
    i bet you will love iForce Hemavol
    it is stim free,creatine free .

    Niacin12.5mg 125% Vitamin B12 (As Methylcobalamin)1.2mg 20,883%

    Hemodynamix Matrix:

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    Norvaline125mg

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    L-Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine, Vitamin C (As Ascorbic Acid), Rutacaerpine, Epimedium (20%)
    Thanks for the Hemavol support!!! One of the best (if not the best) tasting pre on the market
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    Originally Posted by SoftballNerd View Post
    Thanks for the Hemavol support!!! One of the best (if not the best) tasting pre on the market
    hell yea!!! taste is insane. it is so good,i want to drink it whole the time. i love lemon taste
    hemavol is my first pwo and i love it. enjoy when my muscles get swolen and veins come out like mad
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    Originally Posted by Danes View Post
    hell yea!!! taste is insane. it is so good,i want to drink it whole the time. i love lemon taste
    hemavol is my first pwo and i love it. enjoy when my muscles get swolen and veins come out like mad
    That is really great to hear. We have two new flavors in the works (Tangerine and Fruit Punch iirc) but Lemon Drop is hard to beat.
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    Originally Posted by BigBoLuke93 View Post
    BodyForge is a great option, and is non-stim

    Also, Look for BodyForge 2.0 when it's released - should be very soon!

    Tons of properly dosed actives in a non-prop profile, and it will definitely help improve endurance, recovery, and pumps. You can skip the Creatine too, as it will cover your daily needs as well.
    ^^^ BodyForge 2.0 all the way! It literally contains everything you could need stim-free. It should be out in a few weeks. I know your taking creatine, but if you choose this you can drop that since it already contains several great creatine salts.
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    Thanks for the Hemavol support!!! One of the best (if not the best) tasting pre on the market
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    Originally Posted by xLGx View Post
    Citrulline Malate > Citrulline
    the only thing oral malic acid will do is make things taste sour. There is no physiological basis (in healthy adults) for any one particular anaplerotic pathway to bolster mitochondrial efficiency mostly because we're dealing with H+ ion accumulation as the principle disturbance in anaerobic metabolism.
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    Originally Posted by PinchTheBear View Post
    the only thing oral malic acid will do is make things taste sour. There is no physiological basis (in healthy adults) for any one particular anaplerotic pathway to bolster mitochondrial efficiency mostly because we're dealing with H+ ion accumulation as the principle disturbance in anaerobic metabolism.
    wondered about this, Bear. As I was under the assumtion Citrulline was better.
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    Originally Posted by 4343 View Post
    Looking for more endurance and power not really the "stim" feeling

    without creatine as I already take 5g per day

    should I be looking for something with the most citrulline and L-arganine?
    Sounds like you might like White Flood. There's some good info on it here http://www.musclecultivation.com/top...ments/#more-30
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