No, BCM isn't cheap. I think what he was saying...or meant to say/should have said...was that you get a hell of a nice rifle for what you pay with BCM. That's one of the reasons they sell out so damn fast.
Frankenbuilds that use good components, most notably the barrel, BCG, and FCG IMO, and are PROPERLY assembled without cutting corners anywhere, are usually a good deal. The problem I see is that the "a little flexible with parts" turns into what I would call cutting corners, and the overall quality of the final product suffers. Again I'll point to lawler since the timing and nature of his issue was just so perfect.
^This.
My recent build is:
LMT Defender 2000 Lower (factory assembled with 2 stage LMT trigger, LE/MIL Denote)
BCM Upper
BCM 14.5" Middy Barrel
LMT BCG (one of the best in the business)
Centurion C4 12" Rail
Spikes Tactical Buffer
Magpul MOE Grip
Magpul MOE Mil-Spec Stock
VTAC Light Mount (coming soon, with light)
Magpul MBUS
Troy Medieval Brake
Only room for the improvement is going with the troy metal MBUS and maybe a PWS Brake
I definitely would consider it a top-tier frankenbuild...although its pretty much all two manufacturers.
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Having a backup FCG was one of the reasons I went with the upgrade, and it made the actual cost of the trigger, as I perceive it, less, since I would otherwise be buying another FCG anyway. But now I have a Colt FCG for the new rifle at 'no cost' as a result of the Geissele upgrade.
There is typically a quality difference between commercial and mil-spec too. My understand is, for example, that the mil-spec has the threads rolled on while the commercial are cut, which is just one way the commercial tube is not as strong. But then there are at least two 'different' 'mil-spec' tubes depending on if you get 6061 aluminum or the actual spec of 7075
Somebody in here did, and said they are what they claim. I ordered two of the 20 round recently and got a ship confirmation. I ordered two of the 30 round last night.
No, BCM isn't cheap. I think what he was saying...or meant to say/should have said...was that you get a hell of a nice rifle for what you pay with BCM. That's one of the reasons they sell out so damn fast.
Frankenbuilds that use good components, most notably the barrel, BCG, and FCG IMO, and are PROPERLY assembled without cutting corners anywhere, are usually a good deal. The problem I see is that the "a little flexible with parts" turns into what I would call cutting corners, and the overall quality of the final product suffers. Again I'll point to lawler since the timing and nature of his issue was just so perfect.
by being flexible i mean being okay with getting green instead of black or using part a which is equally as good as part b (ie using a wilson combat barrel instead of a bcm barrel, or getting a b5 sopmod stock instead of an lmt sopmod stock)
A THOUSAND DOLLARS for an AK...........such is life in 2013 Obama Regime. I srsly think I'll just take my chances that he can't get a ban passed and will settle for banning high-cap mags (which I already have.)
I really want an AK...but dayum son, a THOUSAND bucks for an AK really rustles my jimmies.
A THOUSAND DOLLARS for an AK...........such is life in 2013 Obama Regime. I srsly think I'll just take my chances that he can't get a ban passed and will settle for banning high-cap mags (which I already have.)
I really want an AK...but dayum son, a THOUSAND bucks for an AK really rustles my jimmies.
Thats a nice AK, but 1k is a little high. That model was $600-700 pre-hysteria.
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tell me what the difference between bcm and psa is then
it is confirmed that psa uses fn barrels
it is almost certain the psa mpi/hpt bolts are fn made
don't think you can get more 'milspec' than what is probably the main mil supplier
You forgot hammer forged barrels, which they offer. So i might be off base.
However, one thing i DO know...their customer service comes no where close to BCM. I can't speak for DD, Noveske, etc. However, I suspect they're similar to BCM.
I'm brand loyal. That's just me. I've also seen PSA uppers come with some serious blems. One was just posted on the local forum i am on.
That alone IMO would knock them out of top tier.
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Thats a nice AK, but 1k is a little high. That model was $600-700 pre-hysteria.
Dimpled receiver. Not worth $999 either but oh my that's rare. VERY rare for these times.
Yum....
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tell me what the difference between bcm and psa is then
it is confirmed that psa uses fn barrels
it is almost certain the psa mpi/hpt bolts are fn made
don't think you can get more 'milspec' than what is probably the main mil supplier
Well, for starters..."almost certain"
Additionally, there are a LOT more parts to a rifle than a BCG and a barrel.
The short of it is that BCM has proven themselves and their rifles to the consumer market. PSA has not yet matched that. Perhaps they are capable of getting there, and perhaps you are getting just as good of a rifle from them as BCM, for a little bit less money (but longer wait times), or perhaps a couple years from now it will be a regular running joke to list PSA as a "top tier". Time will tell.
BTW: Personally I have read too many reports from different people on different forums about the ways in which PSA has fukked up, and I still lulz when I think about the inoperable rifles they shipped out without even test firing them (as in, they just weren't doing that, one way they were cutting corners to save costs). I also have my perception colored by the time I asked PSA about their bolts (HPT/MPI) on M4C (as did others) and PSA beat around the bush while refusing to actually give a straight up response. The whole thing stunk to high heaven of intentionally misleading deception. So maybe I'm not the best one to judge their quality?
I do have a PSA bolt (an HPT/MPI sold stand alone for $50 on labor day sale) in the grip of my Colt as a spare. And I ordered a PSA LBK to complete my "BCM" rifle. But I am more comfortable using the Colt FCG for that while keeping the PSA FCG as a spare...and I'm kind of shopping around for a 7075 buffer tube since the PSA kit comes with a 6061, while wondering if I should give a rats ass as to the difference...and I also had to order an H buffer separately elsewhere as I'm pretty sure the PSA LBK comes with a C weight buffer, which, BTW, is the buffer that comes with the PSA "Premium M4" rifle, and not an H buffer.
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You forgot hammer forged barrels, which they offer. So i might be off base.
However, one thing i DO know...their customer service comes no where close to BCM. I can't speak for DD, Noveske, etc. However, I suspect they're similar to BCM.
I'm brand loyal. That's just me. I've also seen PSA uppers come with some serious blems. One was just posted on the local forum i am on.
That alone IMO would knock them out of top tier.
You know, I've complained about them as much as anybody. They shipped me a regular lower that was clearly much worse than the blem I got from them. One of their uppers had a loose heat shield that rattled around like a child's toy. I refer to their factory as Planet of the Apes.
But they made good on my complaint with a $40 gift card. And their pricing is phenomenal. I'm a fan.
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