8 things that are the general consensus that definitely were not before !

[Adizzle1]

identifying steroid use and seo use are two vastly different things. Your mocking example showcases mediocre intelligence.

sounds like speculation

[Nep2une]

Let's say they " ALL " aren't using it for slight touch-ups on rear delts and really the entire delt. I don't think it's farfetched to believe that they are ALL using it at least for muscle fascia stretching. It makes them look better, it dosn't look fake and if some are only using it for fascia stretching then there is nothing fake about it when comparing it to other ped's. It simply allows muscles that are struggling to grow larger.

Obviously just my opinion.......

[PillClinton]

Let's say they " ALL " aren't using it for slight touch-ups on rear delts and really the entire delt. I don't think it's farfetched to believe that they are ALL using it at least for muscle fascia stretching. It makes them look better, it dosn't look fake and if some are only using it for fascia stretching then there is nothing fake about it when comparing it to other ped's. It simply allows muscles that are struggling to grow larger.

Obviously just my opinion.......

problem is when you see guys like kai with "ok" shoulders... why cant he just pop in some seo??

i think its just like sentencing someone without verifiable proof

[TTimmerman]

problem is when you see guys like kai with "ok" shoulders... why cant he just pop in some seo??

same for traps. maybe he's just really against it, who knows he might even be allergic to it lol

[Nep2une]

problem is when you see guys like kai with "ok" shoulders... why cant he just pop in some seo??

i think its just like sentencing someone without verifiable proof

That's true it would seem Kai would benefit from some seo in his shoulders but I think it's unrealaistic to think he doesn't use it fr fascia stretching. Why wouldn't he ?

same for traps. maybe he's just really against it, who knows he might even be allergic to it lol

I'm no expert but I don't think anyone ( not counting the Valentino looking youtube guys ) would use it in there traps, to close to the neck.
I wouldn't , seems to risky to put something that can clump up ( I don't know the technical term for when synthol clumps up and doesn't look the way you intended it to look ) that close to your neck.

[PillClinton]

That's true it would seem Kai would benefit from some seo in his shoulders but I think it's unrealaistic to think he doesn't use it fr fascia stretching. Why wouldn't he ?



I'm no expert but I don't think anyone ( not counting the Valentino looking youtube guys ) would use it in there traps, to close to the neck.
I wouldn't , seems to risky to put something that can clump up ( I don't know the technical term for when synthol clumps up and doesn't look the way you intended it to look )

yeah, then there are more examples. I remember a member here who insulted me for being doubtful of Ruhl's SEO use in his shoulders... why the Fu** would he use it in his shoulders when he has no triceps? the guy had a funky shape to his shoulders for years, why improve something already freaky

[Nep2une]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400808.0


Here's a link of a random guy explaining the two different ways to use synthol, just posting this for anyone who might not know it's used in two different ways.

[KuRdiSh]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400808.0


Here's a link of a random guy explaining the two different ways to use synthol, just posting this for anyone who might not know it's used in two different ways.

'Follow this protocol in combination with pre workout insulin and post workout IV hgh. '

[PillClinton]

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=400808.0


Here's a link of a random guy explaining the two different ways to use synthol, just posting this for anyone who might not know it's used in two different ways.

yeah, i think this would be something for the mentally ill/drug abusers...

Taking oxy/nubain mixed with Anabolics and SEO? sounds very destructive, mentally

[Larfleeze]

FlangmasterJ does not think synthol is used by the top guys. His opinion was expressed in an image which had the bodybuilding.com user names of 2 respected and knowledgable posters.

In regards to Kai possibly putting it in his traps..how would that even look? Only ever heard of it being used for delts and arms.

[oneshotGG]

I remember reading about using synth can be helpful for stretching out the fascia to allow more room for muscle growth, is that true?

If it is, it would make sense for many people to use it to gain size and if they use it their training, why not during comps too?

edit: just saw the link a few posts above, i guess that's that

[TTimmerman]

I'm no expert but I don't think anyone ( not counting the Valentino looking youtube guys ) would use it in there traps, to close to the neck.
I wouldn't , seems to risky to put something that can clump up ( I don't know the technical term for when synthol clumps up and doesn't look the way you intended it to look ) that close to your neck.

no expert either man, but i've seen some "fail" pictures of synthol where they used it in traps. maybe it really isn't supposed to be used there, don't know. but there will always be retards who are retarded enough to do put it in retarded spots!

[Emmortal]

problem is when you see guys like kai with "ok" shoulders... why cant he just pop in some seo??

i think its just like sentencing someone without verifiable proof

Because that's not how SEO's work. You don't just pop some in and BAM now you have the best shoulders on stage.

[Emmortal]

I remember reading about using synth can be helpful for stretching out the fascia to allow more room for muscle growth, is that true?

If it is, it would make sense for many people to use it to gain size and if they use it their training, why not during comps too?

edit: just saw the link a few posts above, i guess that's that

The entire FST7 protocol is all about SEO use stretching fascia. That's what Rambod designed it around.

[203mh]

The entire FST7 protocol is all about SEO use stretching fascia. That's what Rambod designed it around.

Sounds exactly like something GH15 said

[PillClinton]

Because that's not how SEO's work. You don't just pop some in and BAM now you have the best shoulders on stage.

that is how it works. you pop some in.... i never said anything about "best shoulders on stage."

I can't imagine his shoulders wouldn't "benefit" (I use that very loosely) from seo. Kai's been lifting for what, 20 years? don't you think with 6 years as a pro he would have been seo-ing the Sh*t out of those and they'd be quite large?

[Wayacrucis]

BBers do anything to gain a slight edge... there is a guy at my gym national competitor. He pins his gear into the long head of the triceps come contest time and he says that for him it causes internal swelling, so the muscle looks much larger.

[PillClinton]

BBers do anything to gain a slight edge... there is a guy at my gym national competitor. He pins his gear into the long head of the triceps come contest time and he says that for him it causes internal swelling, so the muscle looks much larger.

problematic blanket term "BBers do anything."

Kind of like, "sharks eat fish. Japanese people eat fish. Therefore, all japanese people are sharks."

basic logic stuff that assumes way too much.

ex. for flame shield. "An NPC bodybuilder does what it takes to win (SEO). Phil heath does what it takes to win (steps over the line). Phil heath takes SEO."

[KuRdiSh]

problematic blanket term "BBers do anything."

Kind of like, "sharks eat fish. Japanese people eat fish. Therefore, all japanese people are sharks."

basic logic stuff that assumes way too much.

ex. for flame shield. "An NPC bodybuilder does what it takes to win (SEO). Phil heath does what it takes to win (steps over the line). Phil heath takes SEO."

He didn't mention phil heath once, the argument you're accusing him of is

NPC ---> SEO
PHIL
therefore

PHIL ---> SEO



That's not what hes saying at all and its not what any of us are saying. It's obvious you know extremely little about PEDs and professional bodybuilding in general. If you don't think pros use SEO that's fine, you can believe that. Now stop posting about it.

[PillClinton]

He didn't mention phil heath once, the argument you're accusing him of is

NPC ---> SEO
PHIL
therefore

PHIL ---> SEO



That's not what hes saying at all and its not what any of us are saying. It's obvious you know extremely little about PEDs and professional bodybuilding in general. If you don't think pros use SEO that's fine, you can believe that. Now stop posting about it.

Geez you are dense. Its obvious you know extremely little about using examples and logic in general. Its okay that you posses the literary comprehension level of a 12 year old. Now stop posting.

[KuRdiSh]

Geez you are dense. Its obvious you know extremely little about using examples and logic in general. Its okay that you posses the literary comprehension level of a 12 year old. Now stop posting.

I've passed advanced placement university courses in deductive logic, modol logic and existentialism... I know more about 'logic' than you ever will in your life. But whatever modus' your tollens buddy.

[PillClinton]

I've passed advanced placement university courses in deductive logic, modol logic and existentialism... I know more about 'logic' than you ever will in your life. But whatever modus' your tollens buddy.

lololol. I've met stupid people with Ph.Ds, you are clearly an example.

Brb, doesn't know what an example is, calls himself knowledgeable. I think i will just ignore you from now on.

edit: I'll find the "ignore user" button tomorrow.

[KuRdiSh]

lololol. I've met stupid people with Ph.Ds, you are clearly an example.

Brb, doesn't know what an example is, calls himself knowledgeable. I think i will just ignore you from now on.

please do. You've had a hard on for me ever since I said you had a sh*t physique lmao

[kodiak6]

The entire FST7 protocol is all about SEO use stretching fascia. That's what Rambod designed it around.

Sounds exactly like something GH15 said

I actually have a copy of the FST7/SEO protocol direct from someone who worked with Hany (still does). He's a top NPC competitor.

Is it against the rules to post it? Not trying to get banned. The protocol contains much more than simply synthol/SEO, so I don't think it will be allowed

[AD337]

lol pretty much true

[featureless]

I actually have a copy of the FST7/SEO protocol direct from someone who worked with Hany (still does). He's a top NPC competitor.

Is it against the rules to post it? Not trying to get banned. The protocol contains much more than simply synthol/SEO, so I don't think it will be allowed

Does it contain the use of SEO? I think that is the relevant question in this debate.

[kodiak6]

Does it contain the use of SEO? I think that is the relevant question in this debate.

Yes it does. Along with a pretty unique protocol of AAS site injections both pre and post workout, as well as slin/GH, etc.

[HeadlessChicken]

Yes it does. Along with a pretty unique protocol of AAS site injections both pre and post workout, as well as slin/GH, etc.

Unless you could edit out the AAS sections I'm pretty certain that you would end up in banned camp...

[HOT4_S]

Exactly. Then why do people say "they all use it"?

same reason you say they don't, everyone has their opinion and they should feel free to share it no matter what it is

[detrimental]

Exactly. Then why do people say "they all use it"?

Common sense for one. Seems like you don't have any.

INB4 you resort to semantics and turn this into "but you said "ALL!" argument because you know you're being an idiot...