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    Rings or Dip Bars?

    I'm adding one or the other to my R-6 tomorrow. Which way do you guys think I should go? The dip bars are a one shot deal, but are more stable. The rings are more versatile, though I don't know how I feel about ring dips (I never do them).
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    I just purchased some Rogue rings the other day, so I'm prob gonna go ahead and suggest that. Not only can you do a WHOLE lot more with them, I've heard that ring dips are actually harder. You're really getting more for your money with rings
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    Cant you make your own Rings? I have heard of people making them, if you are willing to make them i would say make them and get the dip handles. If you cant make them then just buy the Rings from Rogue
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    If you've never dipped with rings, you are missing out. At first they'll be difficult due to the balance issue, but once you nail that, you'll be dipping your usual weight in no time. So I vote rings purely based the fact that you havnt done them before. Other bonuses include exercise variety and portability outside gym.
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    You'll ultimately want both. If you have two barbells and power rack you can tie them together and dip.
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    I'd go with both. Rings for bodyweight dips. Dip station for weighted dips.
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    I've actually already got dip bars...I have a chin/dip assist unit for my wife, but I am getting rid of that thing. She never trains and it takes up a lot of floor space. I'm probably going to start with some rings, as they are something I could use for a variety of things and I can always add the dip bar attachment later. I was looking around. Rogue uses steel rings, but there are also polycarbonate rings out there for about half the price. I was considering going that route, but I'd probably rather spend a little more on something I can have 100% confidence in forever.
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    Rings are cheaper and offer you a lot more versatility training wise. From rows to dips to push ups to muscle ups, a lot of great accessory work can come from the rings / blast straps. Also makes you stabilize harder which is a plus.

    Dip handles are secure and strong. But, all you can do are dips.

    I would say the only reason to get dip handles over rings would be if you plan on doing a lot of heavy dips and the rings won't support the weight. Most decent rings are made with pretty high strength straps that can take pretty much anything though.
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    Matt why is your name bolded?

    EDIT: use rings for dips man, a lot better pump from them kills ur chest
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    Rogue (and most other places that sell rings) also offers wood rings. I've only used wood rings, but I've read that they feel better than metal rings. Wood rings are also a lot lighter (so you don't injure yourself bumping into them).
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    Link for good rings? You guys just hook em up to your rack?
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    Originally Posted by TommyStarwind View Post
    Link for good rings? You guys just hook em up to your rack?
    I also wanna know... Is it better to hang them from a rack or from a really high ass ceiling?
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    http://www.roguefitness.com/catalogs...esult/?q=rings

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    Either are fine so long as you have head room. Considering dips have you lean forward, you don't need as much head room as you would think. Although if you plan on doing ring muscle ups, obviously you'll need it. As for rack use, I would recommend bolting your rack down/making sure your rack is heavy enough to be stable when pulling away from the rack.
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    Originally Posted by XPmpnII View Post
    I also wanna know... Is it better to hang them from a rack or from a really high ass ceiling?
    Depends on what you want to do. For dips, pull ups,... you can hang them from your rack. For muscle ups, you should hang them from about 12' to have enough clearance. For crazy gymnastic moves, you'd need additional height and also clearance on both sides.
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    Originally Posted by trnk1001 View Post
    Rogue (and most other places that sell rings) also offers wood rings. I've only used wood rings, but I've read that they feel better than metal rings. Wood rings are also a lot lighter (so you don't injure yourself bumping into them).
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    Originally Posted by trnk1001 View Post
    Depends on what you want to do. For dips, pull ups,... you can hang them from your rack. For muscle ups, you should hang them from about 12' to have enough clearance. For crazy gymnastic moves, you'd need additional height and also clearance on both sides.
    Yeah, I'll be going rack on this one. I'm not a crossfitter, and I won't do anything crazy like a muscle up or kipping anything.
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    I would say dip bar, like you said they are more stable and less chance to get hurt as in the rings esp if you haven't every really used them they pose a greater chance of getting hurt.
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    I'd also go with both if you can. I myself do have both. If you can only get one, I'd go for the rings. Also, consider the fig version as it offers a better ability to grip since it's smaller in diameter. The rings are a lot tougher for dips. I'm still new to the rings, but once you get them down I'm sure that they won't be as difficult. However, the dip attachment is so much easier and solid, which might be something to consider for days where you just want to add something simple. I can relate this situation to neutral grip pullups or other strap attachments for pullups. It's nice to have hanging attachments, but sometimes it's just nicer and easier to have a solid bar to do the exercise from.
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    Originally Posted by sain724 View Post
    I would say dip bar, like you said they are more stable and less chance to get hurt as in the rings esp if you haven't every really used them they pose a greater chance of getting hurt.
    Just to add to this, ive tried to get into dips with rings and even tho they're pretty easy for me I stopped doing them. In your stats it says you're 255 and that's a lot of weight on the shoulders in such a compromising postion. I'm 235 and every time I do these my shoulders and elbows feel like crap. Its just my experience tho...
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    Originally Posted by Jetigen View Post
    I'd go with both. Rings for bodyweight dips. Dip station for weighted dips.
    There's nothing stopping you from adding weight to Ring dips. Most people have a hard time starting out with just body weight dips with rings. I've ever had any issues adding weights to ring dips.

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    Link for good rings? You guys just hook em up to your rack?
    Check out Christians Fitness Factory. I think I paid $45 for mine?

    also, the only place I've ever used metal rings is at a kids playground. Most of the time you're going to find wood or composite. Both work fine.



    Obviously, my vote is for Rings. It takes more muscles to control the movement and they're very humbling. Like I said, I've never had issues adding weight....you won't need as much as you would with an actual dip station (I've only been up to 90lbs with rings and I've used 135lbs in a dip station)
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    made my own with some extra handles i had. i have a set of dip bars too

    anyone care to compare using lat handles to actual rings?






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    made my own with some extra handles i had. i have a set of dip bars too

    anyone care to compare using lat handles to actual rings?
    I've never tried it with handles like that, but I think the rotating handle might make it even harder. I've noticed that you can gain a bit of stability with rings by bracing the top part of the ring against the forearm. Not sure how this will work out with the rotating handles.
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    Originally Posted by KBKB View Post
    I've never tried it with handles like that, but I think the rotating handle might make it even harder. I've noticed that you can gain a bit of stability with rings by bracing the top part of the ring against the forearm. Not sure how this will work out with the rotating handles.
    right now its all i can do to just hang there for a little while and i can do 10-12 dips regular.

    haven't tried with rings but its definitely hard with the lat handles. the handles don't rotate though that i noticed. since all your weight is pressing down on them. you might be right about there being added instability.
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    Originally Posted by matrix563 View Post
    the handles don't rotate though that i noticed.
    Okay. Sometimes, they're constructed so that the part that you grip will rotate. I just assumed yours were of that type.
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    Originally Posted by KBKB View Post
    Okay. Sometimes, they're constructed so that the part that you grip will rotate. I just assumed yours were of that type.
    oh they do. just when i do those kinds of dips they dont' seem to rotate due to all the weight pressing down.
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    Originally Posted by cgc View Post
    There's nothing stopping you from adding weight to Ring dips. Most people have a hard time starting out with just body weight dips with rings. I've ever had any issues adding weights to ring dips.
    Bodyweight ring dips require quite a substantial level of physical strength by themselves. In my eyes it's not worth risking shoulder injury by doing weighted dips on rings. I scanned this explanation from Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength book (page 80).

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    I have both on my R-4. I do like my Rogue Matador and I prefer warming up on them or repping out but if I could only have one I'd take the rings. Cheaper and more versatile. Especially if you already have a dipping station elsewhere.

    However... I think the question everyone has missed is: Why do you do dips?

    I think Ring dips are a harder movement with more muscle mass involved but for me I find there are too many stabilisers involved to really just rep out.

    i.e. Failing on ring dips feels more like failing on a squat than a biceps curl. It's a systemic loss of muscular control rather than single muscle group failure.

    If I want to blast my triceps after benching I prefer fixed dips. If I want to get better at dipping movements I do Ring Dips. Harder is not better - they're just different. I like having the option of doing both.



    FWIW I use Rock Rings. I don't know how different they feel to regular rings but I like that I can use them for finger work too.

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    Many valid points here. I am primarily a strength athlete (powerlifting/strongman), which is why I leaned towards the bars. I ordered the rings, and once I have gotten that chin assist out my garage I will get a matador for my rack.
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    If you're already doing a heap of bench-specific work I have a hunch you'll find the Fixed bars far more applicable and Ring Dips will go in the basket of interesting challenges you'd do more regularly if you only had more time and infinite recovery.

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    Originally Posted by Jetigen View Post
    Bodyweight ring dips require quite a substantial level of physical strength by themselves. In my eyes it's not worth risking shoulder injury by doing weighted dips on rings. I scanned this explanation from Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength book (page 80).

    How is this implying the body mechanics of ring dips are any different than bar dips? That picture is completely inaccurate for a dip - IRL your shoulders are either above or forward of your fists. In that drawing, the guy's body is way behind his fists as if he is coming up or down from a muscle up.
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