Leangains/IF experts, I need help

[TeamCHRISTOPHER]

How come everyone is getting insane results but me? Clearly it's me doing something wrong here. If I'm eating 25% of my total daily intake for my first meal at 2pm and 75% of my intake for my second meal around 7pm which is around 2k calories and eat nothing in between or until 2pm the next day but drink water/coffee with a little powder creamer no sugar, what gives?

What am I doing incredibly wrong because I'm seeing the sickest transformations on this eating pattern. I've been doing this since February of last year essentially.

6 feet tall, ~177lbs, ~16% body fat

[vismal]

Weight loss is determined by total daily calories, nothing more. If you aren't losing weight you are eating too many calories.

[dmacdonal9]

Meal frequency does not trump calories in vs calories out mate. The big IF success stores come about because people find it easier to eat at a deficit with that particular meal timing scheme.

No different than the keto success stores you used to hear about. It was way easier for them to eat less calories because they stuffed themselves with meat and fat and felt full for a long time.

[Sarumyan]

Erm, I would disagree with the "all about calories" thing.
Depends on the food you eat as well. In my experience IF is best when it is combined with a low-carb diet and fasted work outs. It sort of enhances other diets. Eliminating cheat days will also help.
If you eat healthy you will see much better results than if you do not, even if the calories are the same, that what happened to me at least.
Primal or Paleo coupled with IF ftw ).

[dmacdonal9]

If you eat healthy you will see much better results than if you do not, even if the calories are the same, that what happened to me at least.
Primal or Paleo coupled with IF ftw ).

Define "healthy" and define "better results" please.

[vismal]

Erm, I would disagree with the "all about calories" thing.
Depends on the food you eat as well. In my experience IF is best when it is combined with a low-carb diet and fasted work outs. It sort of enhances other diets. Eliminating cheat days will also help.
If you eat healthy you will see much better results than if you do not, even if the calories are the same, that what happened to me at least.
Primal or Paleo coupled with IF ftw ).

Unfortunately science and research does not support anything you are saying.

[Sarumyan]

Unfortunately science and research does not support anything you are saying.

I am not looking to get into debates here ).

But - dairy/sugars/some grains are linked to insulin imbalance and chronic inflammation. That could lead to messed up testosterone/estrogen, which in turn would lead to less muscles/more fat. So in essence, if you eat healthy - I have primal or paleo in my mind, that diet would increase T and lower estrogen on its own, which would aid dieting. While same 2000 calorie diet with lots of junk food would slow down fat loss.

[Tommy W.]

Ohhh jeeeezzzus

[vismal]

I am not looking to get into debates here ).

But - dairy/sugars/some grains are linked to insulin imbalance and chronic inflammation. That could lead to messed up testosterone/estrogen, which in turn would lead to less muscles/more fat. So in essence, if you eat healthy - I have primal or paleo in my mind, that diet would increase T and lower estrogen on its own, which would aid dieting. While same 2000 calorie diet with lots of junk food would slow down fat loss.

Actually it wouldn't. The law of thermodynamics which governs the entire universe as well as everyone's body trumps all the paleotard broscience you just spewed. If It takes me X calories to maintain my weight, and I eat Y calories a day, as long as Y < X I will lose weight whether or not it's poptarts or grass fed beef. Dairy/sugar/grains are linked to insulin imbalances in fat, unhealthy, people. You don't meet too many lean people with poor insulin sensitivity or type 2 diabetes. Jason explains it much better than me... http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotat...&v=7Pbhzdg63FE

[unleashthelion]

I am not looking to get into debates here ).

But - dairy/sugars/some grains are linked to insulin imbalance and chronic inflammation. That could lead to messed up testosterone/estrogen, which in turn would lead to less muscles/more fat. So in essence, if you eat healthy - I have primal or paleo in my mind, that diet would increase T and lower estrogen on its own, which would aid dieting. While same 2000 calorie diet with lots of junk food would slow down fat loss.

Of course you aren't. You're hoping to spout misconceptions without anyone calling you out for your ridiculous claims.

How significant is increased testosterone and increased estrogen? How much can it slow fat loss?
Who says primal or paleo is "healthy"?
How much would a 2000 calorie diet with lots of junk food slow down fat loss?
What has faster fat loss: a primal diet that a person does inconsistently, with frequent binges, or a 2000 calorie a day diet - regardless of foods - where the person is 100% compliant?

[dmacdonal9]

I am not looking to get into debates here ).

Fair enough, but in the absence of that, you may want to invest a small amount of time directly examining the evidence for some of these ideas (or lack thereof). I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.

For example, you might look into the role that obesity itself plays in hormonal imbalance through increased aromatase expression. It might help you understand that there's a logical chain of effect problem in what you're suggesting about wheat/dairy/sugar.

[FatRastafarian]

OP, you said you have coffee with very little sugar/milk? I think that defeats the whole purpose of the fast? Your body will produce insulin when ingesting those things. Keep it black

[dxs016]

If your not getting the results you feel you should be getting then reevaluate your calorie intake.

I have done a modified version of Martins leangains for about 2 years. From what I remember his program is more of a slow recomp. Maybe your eating to much or to less. Check your macros etc.

I choose to bulk normally on 6 meals a day and cut ( stay in a deficit ) while fasting 16 hours a day. This works for me.

[koatliki]

Erm, I would disagree with the "all about calories" thing.
Depends on the food you eat as well. In my experience IF is best when it is combined with a low-carb diet and fasted work outs. It sort of enhances other diets. Eliminating cheat days will also help.
If you eat healthy you will see much better results than if you do not, even if the calories are the same, that what happened to me at least.
Primal or Paleo coupled with IF ftw ).

You're red for a reason

How come everyone is getting insane results but me? Clearly it's me doing something wrong here.

Clearly you are. Maybe you should listen to people in this thread then instead of arguing/trolling?

[TeamCHRISTOPHER]

OP, you said you have coffee with very little sugar/milk? I think that defeats the whole purpose of the fast? Your body will produce insulin when ingesting those things. Keep it black

so if I want to drink coffee I'll keep it black, but Martin himself says you can have a teaspoon of milk with your coffee as long as you don't drink 10 cups a day.

You're red for a reason



Clearly you are. Maybe you should listen to people in this thread then instead of arguing/trolling?

What is there to listen to? I'm not arguing anything. I'm not trolling either.