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    Thanks for the props brother, glad you liked it...
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    thanks

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    i guess ill have to check that one out then
    MASS (Muscle and Sports Science) will make two products in that category, Mass Pro and Kre-Anabolyn (both of which are pretty solid)

    Another option would be ErgoTest as the primary ingredient is Suma Extract, an ingredient Rob has recommended to many of the BP users
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    Ecdysterone does not work in humans. Anyone arguing otherwise either directly makes cash profit or is a victim of placebo.
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    Ecdysterone does not work in humans. Anyone arguing otherwise either directly makes cash profit or is a victim of placebo.
    Practical uses for ecdysteroids in mammals including humans: an update
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    Originally Posted by DannySampsonite View Post
    Ecdysterone does not work in humans. Anyone arguing otherwise either directly makes cash profit or is a victim of placebo.
    Source: Journal of "Theory and Practice of Physical Culture" 1993, № 8, pp. 44-45

    EFFECT OF PLANT AND DRUGS mild Ecdysten
    On physical performance and functional state
    ATHLETES


    Candidates of Medical Sciences SN Portugalov, VV Panyushkin, EN Agaev

    Pharmacological correction of physical performance is one of the special problems of a new direction in pharmacology "healthy person". For the sports sector are particularly important factors complete safety, "nedopingovosti" used drugs. Reasoned with biomedical products rational use of non-doping drug extends the functionality of an athlete, opens new frontiers of sports performance and allows to improve the methodology of the training process. [3]

    Very promising in this regard herbal mild, primarily fitoadaptogeny. Feature of these funds is their soft, normalizing effect on a wide range of processes in the body, which is realized through a variety of mechanisms. This fact leads to mutual potentiation of the effects of individual drugs. The combination of herbal drugs with promising pharmacological regulators of physical performance of athletes, what are fitoekdizony and saponins may appear substantially correct functional state of the athletes.

    One of the ways of action in this case, probably - modulating stress - reaction mechanism for nonspecific resistance of the body to physical activity [1].

    We tried to develop an optimal set of herbal drugs to enhance physical performance and functionality adaptation athletes - rounder (men's decathlon and women's heptathlon), and also studied the effect of this complex on the indicators characterizing the adaptive capabilities under stress influence physical activity (cash potential reserves of the adrenal cortex).

    Data on the effects of various nedopingovyh herbal drugs on physical performance of athletes, selected fitoadaptogeny, normalize, tonic and stimulating effect, Eleutherococcus senticosus (liquid extract) and Rhodiola rosea (golden root - liquid extract), immune and antiseptic - propolis propolis (10% for infusion) and derived from Rhaponticum carthamoides drug predominantly anabolic action Ecdysten (pills 0.005).

    The effect of a combined course (15 days) oral administration of different doses of these drugs (within the recommended Pharmacological Committee MoH) on the physical performance of athletes volunteers - rounder (qualification from one level to the masters of sports, only 34 persons) by bicycle exercise test stepwise increases load. Varying daily doses studied drugs revealed that the optimal combination for a daily intake of athletes is a complex of 0.4 ml of the extract radiograms + 1 + 2 ml of propolis extract eleutherococcus ml + 6 tablets Ecdysten. In this case, the maximum observed, compared with the control (athletes receiving placebo), the increase of integrated indicators of efficiency, as the total value of the work done in the test (average 8.59%) and the work per kg of body weight (at 6.60%) do not differ in significant shifts AAR and gaseous environment of the body.

    The use of this combination of athletes within 15 days of training camps did not cause, according to objective medical supervision and the subjective self-assessment test, no negative side effects.

    In recent years, several authors established between the adaptive capacity of athletes to the physical load of features of the adrenal cortex [2]. The level of physical stamina correlated with actual and potential reserves of the adrenal cortex. Influence to develop an optimal combination for pharmacological correction of the physical performance of athletes on the value of the reserves of the adrenal cortex has been studied by the modified method of Silber-Porter on the basis of estimates of the daily excretion of the total fraction of 17-hydroxycorticosteroids (17-OCS) in the urine, starting on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th days of daily (in the morning of the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th day) administration zinc suspension - corticotropin. In this case, urinary 17-ACS at 1-day experiment characterizes the amount of cash (increase excretion ACS on day 2 as compared to 1-m) and potential (increase in the excretion of 3rd and 4th days, compared with 1 - m) reserves the adrenal cortex.
    Note. Significant difference: p1-baseline levels, p2-the control group (placebo).



    15-day athletes receiving placebo (control group) did not affect the amount of the basal level of functioning of the adrenal cortex, and the values ​​of actual and potential reserves of the adrenal cortex (see table).

    Basal urinary 17-ACS did not differ significantly from control in athletes of the experimental group as a baseline, and after 15 days of the studied drugs did not differ significantly from the control and baseline (prior to the course of taking the drugs), the quantities of cash and potential reserves of the adrenal cortex.

    Values ​​of actual and potential reserves of the adrenal cortex in athletes and potential control and experimental groups were within normal limits.

    At the same time, the way to estimate the pharmacological complex significantly increased the value of cash and potential reserves (p <0,01).

    Thus, these results suggest that a significant activity to develop and test the complex preparations to improve the physical performance of athletes is largely realized through stress - protective action, in particular through a positive influence on the actual and potential reserves of the adrenal cortex.


    Literature
    1. Dardymov IV mechanisms of action of ginseng and Siberian ginseng / / New data on Eleutherococcus: Mater. II International. Symp. By Eleutherococcus. Vladivostok, 1986, p.7-12. 2. Panyushkin V., Smets VJ, Portugalov SN The dependence of the physical performance of athletes on the magnitude of actual and potential reserves of the adrenal cortex / / Scientific Journal of Sport, 1985, № 3.-3. Seyfulla RD, Kryukov LV, Portugalov SN Moral and ethical aspects of the use of drugs in sport / / physiologically active substances in Medicine: Abstracts. Dokl. V Proc. Congress of Pharmacology. Yerevan, 1982, p. 255-256.
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    Ecdysterone does not work in humans. Anyone arguing otherwise either directly makes cash profit or is a victim of placebo.
    Source: Journal of "Theory and Practice of Physical Culture", 1995., № 4, p.10-11

    A Comprehensive adaptogenic DRUGS
    On functional status and physical performance
    Elderly


    Candidates of Medical Sciences S.N.Portugalov, V.V.Panyushkin, Doctor of Education, V.K.Balsevich All-Russian Research Institute of Physical Culture, Russian State Academy of Physical Culture.


    Today in sports medicine and in its private section - sports pharmacology - developed in enough detail many aspects of increased functionality and improve physical performance of elite athletes. [2] In this regard, one of the most effective methods is the use of natural (primarily plant) aadaptogennyh nedopingovyh complexes, has a marked effect on the body athletes [3, 4], tonic, stimulant. activating the central nervous system, which increases their body reserves and stabilizing muscle. In particular, we show that a real alternative to anabolic steroids to elite sports can be herbal, containing the so-called fitoekdisterony (not related to doping steroids isolated from a number of medicinal plants adaptogens), especially drugs containing Ecdysten.

    The scope of these drugs in sports medicine, however, can be significantly enhanced by the fact that now significantly extended the active phase of life in general and the duration of physical education and sport, in particular, one of the important trends in sports medicine and sports pharmacology is the development of effective rehabilitation programs of the general public, is among the elderly (50 years). [1]

    In this regard, has been tasked to study the effect. adaptogens complex, widely used today in the sphere of sports on the functional. status and health of people over age group.

    In this paper, "A comparative study of drugs from the group fitoekdisteronov older men (50-65 years, a total of 30 people.), The group regularly engaged in jogging (club runners" Olympus "). All examined persons were randomly assigned to three experimental groups - control group and two experimental. Athletes in the control group during the 20 days given 1 tablet daily multivitamin preparation Yunikap-T (USA). Athletes of the 1st experimental group within 20 days of taking the drug produced by BAS Int. ( USA) Prime-plus (kapsuly containing 5 mg Ecdysten, 116 mg of brown sugar. 275 mg. 68% aqueous casein) to 3 capsules, 2 times a day + 1 tablet yunikap-T. Individuals from the 2nd test group within 20 days of taking Ecdysten (tablets of 0.005 mg) tablets 2 to 3 times a day + 1 tablet Yunikap-T.

    All subjects in the experiment, daily practiced regularly. Throughout the period of the study was carried out daily medical supervision: registered as subjective (being participants in the experiment, their state of sleep, appetite, desire to train, the presence of complaints), and objective measures of medical control (pulse, blood pressure, ECG parameters}. All the experimental groups were noted any adverse effects of the course taken drugs on the health of persons surveyed.

    All subjects prior to the course of taking the drugs and after it was assessed in terms of physical fitness playt-tapping test, and anthropometric and body composition kaliperometricheskoe determination (mass of muscle and adipose tissue).

    Used to assess the quality of speed, coordination abilities and physical performance rights playt-tapping test is that the subject becomes the face of the table 60x100 cm with two marked circles on the surface at the edges and the center of a square. The distance between the centers of the circles and the square is 40 cm left hand was placed in a square, and the right-hand fingers with the captured piece of foam (3h6h10) - in the left circle. Team-instructor: "Ready, Set, Go!" the subject as quickly as possible moved his right hand in the right circle, touching the foam, and immediately return it to the left square. Making sure that the movement began, the instructor included stopwatch, after touching subjects range (second, third touch after start) and off after 25 full motion right hand out of the circle in the circle. Test result was the time taken to complete 25 of the hand. Misses in a circle or nekasanie its foam was considered a mistake "requires repeated testing.

    Anthropometric and body composition assessment kaliperometricheskaya included measuring length and weight circumference of upper arm, forearm, thigh and calf thickness, fat folds on the back under the shoulder blade, shoulder and behind, arm, chest, abdomen, thigh and leg, as well as the calculation of the results of measurements each subject, values ​​of muscle mass (kg) and fat mass (kg) [5, 6].


    Table. 1 presents the results of performance test on nlayt-tapping test.

    tabl2

    Thus, a statistically significant difference indicators playt-tapping at the beginning and end of the course of treatment with other drugs emerged in the subjects of the 1st and 2nd test groups. In the control group, these differences was found. The level of significance of differences in the 1st experimental group was significantly higher than in the 2nd (p <0.01 and p <0.05). The highest values ​​of the coefficients of variation (18.34 and 15.48) were observed in the control group, and the lowest - in the 2nd. The results of the measurements indicate a reliable growth indicators of physical fitness during the experiment in the group of athletes who took Ecdysten, and particularly complex Ecdysten + protein (Prime-plus).

    Tab. 2 contains the results of an anthropometric determination of body composition in subjects. It follows that in the control no significant changes in body composition examined patients after a 20-day training on the intake of multivitamins alone.

    tabl3


    Admission Ecdysten athletes and more complex Ecdysten + protein (prime plus) led to a significant (p <0.05) increase in body weight and muscle mass, as well as reduced fat mass (body fat depot mobilization during the training loads).

    Thus, the use of complex adaptogenic plant preparations, which include Ecdysten may be recommended to elderly patients to improve the functionality of the body to adapt to physical activity and prevention of negative protein balance in the body.

    Literature
    1. Brekhman II Introduction to valeologists - the science of health. L., 1987. - 2. Portugalov SN etc. • Theory and Practice of Physical Culture •, 1993, № 8. - 3. Simakin SY etc. • Research and sporty messenger •, 1988, № 2. - 4. Chermnykh NS et al, "Pharmacology and Toxicology", 1988, № 6 - 5. Issakson BJ "J. Clin. And lab. Invest.", 1958, № 3, R.12-14. - 6. Matiegka J. "Am. J. Phys. Antropol." , 1921, № 4, p. 223-230.
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    Ecdysterone does not work in humans. Anyone arguing otherwise either directly makes cash profit or is a victim of placebo.
    Clinical experience Ecdysten in gastroenterology and nephrology PRACTICE



    WC Vakhabova, SH Mukminov, TD Sirotinskaya, VN Cheeses, MT Murzaahmedova

    Tashkent Order of the Red Banner Medical Institute and the Institute of Plant Chemistry UzSSR



    In recent years, attention is drawn to her phytoecdysteroids, fairly widespread in the plant kingdom. These substances have a tonic and adaptogenic properties, strengthens the processes of protein biosynthesis [2, 3]. Based on one of them created a drug which, under the name "Ecdysten" allowed Pharmacological Committee of the USSR Ministry for widespread use. Chemical structure is a 5 Ecdysten ά-cholest-7-en-2β, 3 β, 14 ά, 20 R, 22 R, 25-6-Hexaoxa 0H. The compound isolated from the roots of Rhaponticum carthamoides. [1]

    In this paper we present the results obtained in the study Ecdysten in gastroenterology and Nephrology Unit. Ecdysten prescribed to patients with peptic ulcer of the stomach and duodenum (26 people), chronic gastritis in violation of (6) and storage (3) secretory function, chronic glomerulogefritom without chronic renal failure (11), and complications of chronic kidney disease (12), chronic pyelonephritis, complication of chronic renal failure (3).

    Ecdysten administered on a background of complex treatment for 16-24 days, 3 times a day before meals: patients with diseases of the stomach and 2 tablets on, kidney diseases, given the possibility of increasing the blood pressure - 1 tablet. Patients with gastric ulcer and duodenal ulcer, in addition Ecdysten received antacids, antispasmodics and protein drugs (gidrolizin casein). Nephrological patients Ecdysten appointed amid corticosteroids gemodeza, soda, and cardiac glycosides.

    In all patients, check the state, health, body weight, blood pressure, hemoglobin and red blood cells, total protein and its fractions, bilirubin, cholesterol, enzymes (ALT and AST), the allocation of 17-KS and 17-0KS with daily urine and in nephrology patients - also daily urine output and proteinuria, the concentration of urea and creatinine in the blood. The effectiveness of treatment was assessed by subjective evaluation of the patient, as well as clinical and laboratory parameters.

    Studies have shown that the drug was well tolerated, side effects were observed (except for 2 patients with kidney disease who have increased blood pressure). Patients treated Ecdysten, unlike the control group, feel better faster (7-12 days from start of treatment), decreased fatigue, dyspepsia. Weight gain by the end of the course of treatment was 1-2.5 kg. Noted a normalizing effect on blood pressure medication, especially in patients with arterial hypotension.

    In patients with significantly improved laboratory parameters. Increase the content of 'hemoglobin and red blood cells, and is more noticeable in patients with anemia, the total protein in the blood increased by 0,1-0,82% (in patients with initial hypoproteinemia was close to normal). Disproteinemia decreased, increased albumin-globulin ratio. Cholesterol, bilirubin, transaminases (ALT and AST), urea, 17-KS and 17-OCS (free and total) were not significantly changed. Sugar in the blood tended to decrease.

    In 18 patients with peptic ulcer disease control fibrogastroscopy revealed scarring ulcers. Follow-up study of gastric juice (7 patients) showed no significant changes.

    In nephrology patients along with improved health decreased proteinuria, anemia, and recovering the protein composition of the blood. Before treatment ekdistenom erythrocyte peripheral blood was 2,5 O, 9 • 1012 g / L, hemoglobin 98 5.8 g / L, respectively, after treatment with 3,3 +0,4 • 1012 and 115 O, 86 g / l.

    The daily loss of protein in the urine before treatment was 31,1 6,8 g after treatment 6,3 2,1 g of urea in the blood serum is reduced by 17.6% and 11.4% of creatinine, protein was increased to 23% (before treatment 48.5, after 56.4 g / l).
    Thus, it should be recognized Ecdysten effective when used in treatment of patients with peptic ulcer and duodenal ulcer, gastritis, patients with kidney disease.

    Side and toxic effects Ecdysten not revealed. The drug does not alter the function of the adrenal cortex. However, the tendency to raise blood pressure Ecdysten should be administered with caution.
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    Ecdysterone does not work in humans. Anyone arguing otherwise either directly makes cash profit or is a victim of placebo.
    REPORT ON THE RESULTS OF THE STUDY OF DRUG RATIBOL (Ecdysten)


    (8 October 1981)

    "Ecdysten" is an individual natural compound contained in roots and inflorescences of various levzei (Compositae). The product offered by the Institute of Plant Chemistry UzSSR as anabolic and tonic.

    Testing of the drug was carried out jointly with the Research Laboratory of CSKA and DSO "unions" with the involvement of the sector of sports anthropology VNIIFK. The studies were conducted on 39 athletes. In the first stage of the experiment involved athletes: runners, jumpers and throwers, of which I qualified in sports world-class athlete, 9 masters of sport, the other candidates for the master of sports and pervorazryadnikom (of 30 people, including eight women). The athletes were divided into 3 groups: I - control, II - received the drug under the scheme: I-th week, 2 tablets, 2 times a day, II-nd and III-rd week of 2 tablets three times a day. The third group of the drug was administered as follows: I-th week - 6 pills 2 times a day, II-nd and III-rd week of 6 tablets three times a day. Each tablet contains 0,005 g of active substance.

    Controlled psychophysical (general condition, portability loads, the desire to exercise, fatigue after exercise, dynamometry, blood pressure, sleep, appetite, etc.) and biochemical (hemoglobin, urea, lactic acid, pH, alkaline capacity of the blood) parameters. The survey was conducted in the morning after 1, 2, 3 weeks of receiving Ecdysten and a week after its cancellation. The volume and intensity of training loads conform to the traditional preparatory period.

    The results showed that athletes experienced groups (especially in the production of high doses of the drug) in the self-report pointed to feel better, improve efficiency in training, a good appetite and sleep. To control events, some of them have improved their personal results. The good tolerability of the drug, the absence of dyspeptic disorders. Training endurance athletes score given training loads in most cases positive. Any negative effects on the physiological parameters studied were found.

    When anthropometric examination revealed a clear anabolizirueschee the drug. So, if in the course of training in athletes is a decrease fat component by increasing the muscle to a small extent, when you receive Ecdysten this pattern appears much clearer. Table I as an example of female throwers showed that the experimental group muscle growth is 5 times higher than in controls. The amount of total and especially body fat dropped sharply. The latter is clearly revealed in the study of the dynamics of the thickness of the fat folds on the intake Ecdysten.

    In biochemical control of the athletes experienced groups hemoglobin, urea, blood pH, and other not reliably distinguished from control values. However, lactic acid, which is typical pattern. Enhanced training of athletes of the control group was accompanied by a gradual increase of lactic acid in the blood, especially the third week, by 3.8 times, in athletes II of only 2.6 times, in athletes III-her group remained within the original values.

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    The experimental group was 9 people. Found that all the athletes who received Ecdysten increases efficiency, improves health, but the athletes lighter weight classes for 3-10 days was observed drowsiness which is why during the "vrabatyvaemosti" lengthened. After this deadline, these effects disappeared. Most athletes experimental group had an increased speed and power characteristics, they have no sense of tense muscles, keep their elasticity. 5 athletes from 67-110 kg weight class, took the drug in preparation for a national championship, two set world records in the snatch and the double-event became champions of the USSR, one was silver medalist of the USSR. The two did not participate in the competition.
    During doping controls were found to be negative.

    CONCLUSION

    The results of the study drug "Ecdysten" for athletes in the run showed that the drug has a charitable impact on several psychophysiological and biological indicators. Most clearly the effect of the drug is an increase in dosage suggested in the instructions three times. Most athletes at reception Ecdysten feel a burst of energy, less fatigue during exercise, better tolerance. Part of the subjects after treatment set personal records or successful performance in senior competitions. These anthropometric measurements showed a distinct anabolic effect of the drug against the skeletal muscles of athletes. Ecdysten well tolerated and no side effects, different doping purity.

    The drug can be recommended for use in preparation of athletes for competition.

    It is advisable to pursue further comprehensive study of the drug as a means to increase efficiency and reinforcing restorative processes.

    Department head professional. supply and problems of physical and chemical methods of control in sport VNIIFK, Professor: RD Seyfullayev

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    Ecdysterone does not work in humans. Anyone arguing otherwise either directly makes cash profit or is a victim of placebo.
    COMPARISON OF NEDOPINGOVYH anabolic herbal: Ecdysten, Leveton and "Prime Plus"
    Candidates of Medical Sciences SN Portugalov, VV Panyushkin, TF Abramova

    All-Russian Research Institute of Physical Culture


    One of the most urgent tasks of private sports sector pharmacology healthy person [1] is the development of effective drugs nedopingovoy friendly nature and their combinations, positive effect on protein balance in the body under physical stress. Currently, none of the experts doubt the impossibility of further use in sports practice, the most active of the known pharmacological actions of drugs anaboliziruyushego - synthetic analogs of testosterone (anabolic steroids).

    puse

    Real alternative to anabolic agents may be of plant origin, containing the so-called fitoekdisterony (non-steroid doping, isolated from a number of medicinal plants adaptogens) [3]. In particular, it is appropriate to welcome elite athletes in sports with a primary manifestation of the Spirit on the stages of the training process with a high volume of heavy load, when there is a risk of partial reduction of muscle mass and body weight, athletes [2].

    This paper reflects the results of a comparative study of drugs from the group fitoekdisteronov at athletes - middle distance runner, candidate masters and masters of sports (20 men aged 17-25 years). All athletes were randomly divided into four experimental groups (three experimental and one control), and 5 people in the group, and during the whole study period were in training camps with the high volume of daily intensive training loads (in mixed aerobic- anaerobic zone of energy supply). Athletes from the 1st test group for 20 days received the drug eklisten (3 tablets to 0,005), 2 times a day. Athletes of the 2nd test group for 20 days took the drug manufactured by "BAS Int" (U.S.) "Prime Plus" (capsules containing 5 mg Ecdysten. 116 mg of brown sugar, 275 mg of 68% aqueous casein), by 3 capsules two times a day. In the third experimental group of athletes within 20 days of taking daily medication Leveton (pills containing levzei powder, 65 mg, pollen, 330 mg-tocopherol, 1 mg ascorbic acid, 22 mg) tablets 2 to 3 times a day . Athletes from the 4th control group during the same period of time every day for 2 times a day took a placebo.

    All athletes are observed before the experiment and after the physical performance were tested by stepwise bicycle exercise test with a parallel increase the load control of the gas medium body and gas exchange, as well as assessment of body composition and anthropometric kaliperometricheskim methods [4, 5]. At the beginning and end of the experiment, the body length, weight, circumference of upper arm, forearm, thigh and leg, the thickness of fatty folds on the back under the shoulder blade on the back and front of the shoulder, upper arm, chest, abdomen, thigh and lower leg. The results of measurements for each athlete calculated values ​​of muscle and fat mass (kg).

    Throughout the period of the study was carried out daily-up: subjective measures were recorded as being participants in the experiment (the state of sleep, appetite, desire to train, the presence of complaints), and the objective medical monitoring (pulse, blood pressure, ECG parameters). In all experimental groups were observed any negative impact of the course taken drugs on the health of persons surveyed.

    It was established (see table), which initially athletes experimental groups (experimental and control) did not differ among themselves on anthropometric indicators and the level of physical performance (p> 0.05). In the control group (placebo) as a result of significant volume and intensity of physical activity was a significant (p <0.05) reduction in body weight, muscle mass and body fat. In this case, the surveyed athletes did not significantly change the level of physical performance (p> 0.05).

    Application of the studied drugs did not prevent the mobilization of fat depots of the body during the time (there was a significant, p <0.01, decreased fat mass), but blocked the decline in body weight and muscle mass (p> 0.05). In the case of athletes receiving Leveton remained non-significant trend to a decrease in muscle mass, receiving "Prime Plus" or zkdistena led to some (significant) increase in muscle mass of athletes).

    Positive impact Ecdysten and "Prime Plus" on the balance of protein in sports led to a significant increase in physical performance test by the end of the course of therapy (p <0.05). Admission Leveton also led to some (significant) increase in physical performance of athletes.

    Thus, the study nedopingovye herbal drugs containing isolated from Rhaponticum carthamoides fitoekdisteron Ecdysten with substantial anaboliziruyushey activity. It is advisable to use them elite athletes in sports with a primary manifestation of the Spirit on the stages of the training process with a high volume of intense physical activity, when there is a risk of loss of muscle mass by athletes and body weight.

    Leveton use and more Ecdysten or "Prime Plus" prevent any potential negative protein balance in the body and helps athletes improve their physical performance on the test stepwise increasing load.

    Literature

    Portugalov SN and other "theories. and Practice. nat. cult.", 1993, № 8, p. 44-45.
    Simakin SY etc. "Science and Sports Gazette", 1988, № 2, p. 29-32.
    Chermnykh NS et al, "Pharmacology and Toxicology", 1988, № 6, p. 57-61.
    Issakson BJ "J. Clin. And Lab. Invest.", 1958, No 3.
    Matiegka J. "Am. J. Phys. Antropol.", 1921, No 4, p. 223-230.
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    COMPARISON OF NEDOPINGOVYH anabolic herbal: Ecdysten, Leveton and "Prime Plus"
    Candidates of Medical Sciences SN Portugalov, VV Panyushkin, TF Abramova

    All-Russian Research Institute of Physical Culture


    One of the most urgent tasks of private sports sector pharmacology healthy person [1] is the development of effective drugs nedopingovoy friendly nature and their combinations, positive effect on protein balance in the body under physical stress. Currently, none of the experts doubt the impossibility of further use in sports practice, the most active of the known pharmacological actions of drugs anaboliziruyushego - synthetic analogs of testosterone (anabolic steroids).

    puse

    Real alternative to anabolic agents may be of plant origin, containing the so-called fitoekdisterony (non-steroid doping, isolated from a number of medicinal plants adaptogens) [3]. In particular, it is appropriate to welcome elite athletes in sports with a primary manifestation of the Spirit on the stages of the training process with a high volume of heavy load, when there is a risk of partial reduction of muscle mass and body weight, athletes [2].

    This paper reflects the results of a comparative study of drugs from the group fitoekdisteronov at athletes - middle distance runner, candidate masters and masters of sports (20 men aged 17-25 years). All athletes were randomly divided into four experimental groups (three experimental and one control), and 5 people in the group, and during the whole study period were in training camps with the high volume of daily intensive training loads (in mixed aerobic- anaerobic zone of energy supply). Athletes from the 1st test group for 20 days received the drug eklisten (3 tablets to 0,005), 2 times a day. Athletes of the 2nd test group for 20 days took the drug manufactured by "BAS Int" (U.S.) "Prime Plus" (capsules containing 5 mg Ecdysten. 116 mg of brown sugar, 275 mg of 68% aqueous casein), by 3 capsules two times a day. In the third experimental group of athletes within 20 days of taking daily medication Leveton (pills containing levzei powder, 65 mg, pollen, 330 mg-tocopherol, 1 mg ascorbic acid, 22 mg) tablets 2 to 3 times a day . Athletes from the 4th control group during the same period of time every day for 2 times a day took a placebo.

    All athletes are observed before the experiment and after the physical performance were tested by stepwise bicycle exercise test with a parallel increase the load control of the gas medium body and gas exchange, as well as assessment of body composition and anthropometric kaliperometricheskim methods [4, 5]. At the beginning and end of the experiment, the body length, weight, circumference of upper arm, forearm, thigh and leg, the thickness of fatty folds on the back under the shoulder blade on the back and front of the shoulder, upper arm, chest, abdomen, thigh and lower leg. The results of measurements for each athlete calculated values ​​of muscle and fat mass (kg).

    Throughout the period of the study was carried out daily-up: subjective measures were recorded as being participants in the experiment (the state of sleep, appetite, desire to train, the presence of complaints), and the objective medical monitoring (pulse, blood pressure, ECG parameters). In all experimental groups were observed any negative impact of the course taken drugs on the health of persons surveyed.

    It was established (see table), which initially athletes experimental groups (experimental and control) did not differ among themselves on anthropometric indicators and the level of physical performance (p> 0.05). In the control group (placebo) as a result of significant volume and intensity of physical activity was a significant (p <0.05) reduction in body weight, muscle mass and body fat. In this case, the surveyed athletes did not significantly change the level of physical performance (p> 0.05).

    Application of the studied drugs did not prevent the mobilization of fat depots of the body during the time (there was a significant, p <0.01, decreased fat mass), but blocked the decline in body weight and muscle mass (p> 0.05). In the case of athletes receiving Leveton remained non-significant trend to a decrease in muscle mass, receiving "Prime Plus" or zkdistena led to some (significant) increase in muscle mass of athletes).

    Positive impact Ecdysten and "Prime Plus" on the balance of protein in sports led to a significant increase in physical performance test by the end of the course of therapy (p <0.05). Admission Leveton also led to some (significant) increase in physical performance of athletes.

    Thus, the study nedopingovye herbal drugs containing isolated from Rhaponticum carthamoides fitoekdisteron Ecdysten with substantial anaboliziruyushey activity. It is advisable to use them elite athletes in sports with a primary manifestation of the Spirit on the stages of the training process with a high volume of intense physical activity, when there is a risk of loss of muscle mass by athletes and body weight.

    Leveton use and more Ecdysten or "Prime Plus" prevent any potential negative protein balance in the body and helps athletes improve their physical performance on the test stepwise increasing load.

    Literature

    Portugalov SN and other "theories. and Practice. nat. cult.", 1993, № 8, p. 44-45.
    Simakin SY etc. "Science and Sports Gazette", 1988, № 2, p. 29-32.
    Chermnykh NS et al, "Pharmacology and Toxicology", 1988, № 6, p. 57-61.
    Issakson BJ "J. Clin. And Lab. Invest.", 1958, No 3.
    Matiegka J. "Am. J. Phys. Antropol.", 1921, No 4, p. 223-230.
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    Take coingested compounds out of the scenario when attempting to defend ecdy, and understand that the effects of placebo are undeniable facts that can affect anyone. Case in point, you also swore by 17-HD & viraloid at one point, yet science chits all over those compounds & their purposed MOA's.

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    I really, really think the Great Dear Leader will be unveiling the entire product line this spring if all goes as planned
    Tell Ron to take just a short break from the patents & lawsuits, and make a few runs of c-bol & pump-bol. Then ask him to send em' all to my house, and I'll distribute them from there.
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    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    KimJong-il: Don't take this as an insult however, for future reference, when you [believe] that you have evidence in support of your opinion, instead of posting a wall of text, just provide your thoughts on the text in which you're basing your statements from --> then when challenged, let the wall of text commence. Just a thought.
    No, no insult at all I get whats up makes good sense

    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    Tell Ron to take just a short break from the patents & lawsuits, and make a few runs of c-bol & pump-bol. Then ask him to send em' all to my house, and I'll distribute them from there.
    Ill be sure to have him throw that ecdy in there for you too!!! lol

    I wish he just kept the older product supply up during the transition, but anyways how big is your garage?
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    I wish he just kept the older product supply up during the transition
    Meh... the pump bol would be the equivalent of a tub o' cement by now.



    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    Ill be sure to have him throw that ecdy in there for you too!!! lol
    He'll probably just wanna throw it at me after this thread. Still though, much respect to TL.



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    anyways how big is your garage?
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