...you can't really say they "don't respond to compound movements" when you've only been lifting for 5 months, wait till a couple years down the road to say that. for biceps all you need are: deadlifts, pullups/chinups and rows. train them heavy and if your biceps don't grow from that, then nothing will make them grow. no need wasting time on curls
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01-19-2013, 10:41 PM #64
Takes me about 6 mins to rep out 3X8 BB Curls - much lesser than the time I took to read through this thread
It's really simple - we don't want folks focusing on doing isolations at the expense of the basic compounds. Guess the reason why the "don't waste time on curls" thing started is due to the simple reason that if you pick a random bloke who has no knowledge of how muscle building works and put him into a gym, he'll intuitively reach over for those DB's and start curling every day rather than head over to the barbell/squat rack. In fact the SS book uses this phrase multiple times - "coaching by exaggeration", "don't curl" seems to follow from a similar philosophy
If the guy can do the basics right (progressive overload, diet, rest, sticking to a good base of compounds) and also do some direct bicep work, good for him* Skinny to non skinny transformation crew * - I am gonna effin nail this
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01-20-2013, 06:04 AM #72
The straight BB curl is slightly better bcuz of better bicep tension however strains the wrists and forearms for many users and so they find usingthe EZ bar manageble. It's all preference. I'd rather do EZ curls and not get forearm pain than straight bar.
I'm not going to waste my time searching for studies that back up frequent training for hypertrophic response; it's out there trust me
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01-20-2013, 06:44 AM #73
Read the thread before posting. You obviously missed my reply. Look above genius.
1. Cute. Missed the point again. I didn't say do compounds for life and never even consider an isolaion exercise. How many times do I have to repeat that. I have plenty of isolation work in my routine but I've also been seriously training for 7 years. If I were to go back to the beginning (10 years or so ago), I would have restricted my focus on curls and benching and done more of the larger movements to start out. Nothing puts meat on the biceps like curls, I haven't disagreed with that yet. But, I AM saying that it may be more beneficial after the individuals body is used to the training and has a stronger base.
2. Oh no.
3. Can you please quote my exact post where I said that benching and curling aren't real training? Stop making stuff up.
lead by the spirit?
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01-20-2013, 07:21 AM #75
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Bret Contreras did a lot of emg (muscle activity) testing w/ bicep and back exercises. He went through 45 different exercises. http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_...ceps_exercises
He found that the three best bicep exercises for mean activation were: Weighted Wide Parallel-Grip Pull-up, Weighted Chin-up, BB Curl and the three best for peak activation were: Weighted Chin-up, Weighted Wide Parallel-Grip Pull-up, EZ-Bar Curl.
Idk how popular emg data is in the bb world, but I have found it useful for my training.
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You don't really have a single point, you're kind of all over the place. Petty remarks like cute won't earn you any bonus points, it only makes you look mad for finding something wrong with your post that you feel that a logical response alone cannot properly address.
I didn't say do compounds for life and never even consider an isolaion exercise. How many times do I have to repeat that. I have plenty of isolation work in my routine but I've also been seriously training for 7 years. If I were to go back to the beginning (10 years or so ago), I would have restricted my focus on curls and benching and done more of the larger movements to start out. Nothing puts meat on the biceps like curls, I haven't disagreed with that yet. But, I AM saying that it may be more beneficial after the individuals body is used to the training and has a stronger base.
Every thing you've said except for the bold I agree with, but I feel your approach is wrong. It's as if you're saying that compounds > isolation like you have to only do one. Nobody here that I'm aware of has denied the general importance of compound exercises.
2. Oh no.
3. Can you please quote my exact post where I said that benching and curling aren't real training? Stop making stuff up.
Here is the quote where you said that bench and curls are not real training.
On your part:
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