CDC trying to make circumcision manditory

[potatoe]

http://www.examiner.com/x-16813-Lega...-United-States

Stops HIV? Just like stripping the hood off a car makes it so you can't get into a wreck

[JAGERBOY]

There is actual data that supports the claim. Your analogy is very bad.

[potatoe]

There is actual data that supports the claim. Your analogy is very bad.

Sure their is. How in the hell does cutting off a piece of skin meant to protect the penis stop miniscule viruses from being transmitted via contact or fluid. Last time I checked sex involved both of these.

[VAPlowhorse]

There is evidence to suggest it makes one less susceptible to HIV, but that still does not justify making an unnecessary procedure mandatory.

[zodiac666]

There are certain areas where the government just needs to fuk off, what we do to our own bodyparts is one of those areas!

[JAGERBOY]

Sure their is. How in the hell does cutting off a piece of skin meant to protect the penis stop miniscule viruses from being transmitted via contact or fluid. Last time I checked sex involved both of these.

"Compared with the dry external skin surface, the inner mucosa of the foreskin has less keratinization (deposition of fibrous protein), a higher density of target cells for HIV infection (Langerhans cells), and is more susceptible to HIV infection than other penile tissue in laboratory studies [2]. The foreskin may also have greater susceptibility to traumatic epithelial disruptions (tears) during intercourse, providing a portal of entry for pathogens, including HIV [3]. In addition, the microenvironment in the preputial sac between the unretracted foreskin and the glans penis may be conducive to viral survival [1]. Finally, the higher rates of sexually transmitted genital ulcerative disease, such as syphilis, observed in uncircumcised men may also increase susceptibility to HIV infection [4]. "

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fac...ision.htm#ref2
https://unim.rti.org/index.cfm?CFID=...=home.overview

[potatoe]

By the way, if roughly 80% of males are circumcised and HIV is still an issue that seems to say to me that has no effect. One solution, quit screwing everything that walks by (radical I know).

Another thing, doesn't it seem a little creepy that that seems to be another massive push for less direction in our own lives

[zodiac666]

"Compared with the dry external skin surface, the inner mucosa of the foreskin has less keratinization (deposition of fibrous protein), a higher density of target cells for HIV infection (Langerhans cells), and is more susceptible to HIV infection than other penile tissue in laboratory studies [2]. The foreskin may also have greater susceptibility to traumatic epithelial disruptions (tears) during intercourse, providing a portal of entry for pathogens, including HIV [3]. In addition, the microenvironment in the preputial sac between the unretracted foreskin and the glans penis may be conducive to viral survival [1]. Finally, the higher rates of sexually transmitted genital ulcerative disease, such as syphilis, observed in uncircumcised men may also increase susceptibility to HIV infection [4]. "

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fac...ision.htm#ref2
https://unim.rti.org/index.cfm?CFID=...=home.overview

If they made everyone toughen up the skin around the head of the penis you would be even less at risk! (like how the kung fu guys sift through hot gravel to toughen up their hands) Why just stop with circumcision if we can make people even safer?

Edit: Also wouldn't keratinization lead to less sensation?

[potatoe]

"Compared with the dry external skin surface, the inner mucosa of the foreskin has less keratinization (deposition of fibrous protein), a higher density of target cells for HIV infection (Langerhans cells), and is more susceptible to HIV infection than other penile tissue in laboratory studies [2]. The foreskin may also have greater susceptibility to traumatic epithelial disruptions (tears) during intercourse, providing a portal of entry for pathogens, including HIV [3]. In addition, the microenvironment in the preputial sac between the unretracted foreskin and the glans penis may be conducive to viral survival [1]. Finally, the higher rates of sexually transmitted genital ulcerative disease, such as syphilis, observed in uncircumcised men may also increase susceptibility to HIV infection [4]. "

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/fac...ision.htm#ref2
https://unim.rti.org/index.cfm?CFID=...=home.overview

So, I could have procedure that cuts the protection away from the penis, letting the skin harden (which I think could crack and also lead to infection) and give more gov control over people.

OR

I could just not screw everyone in site and be fine with all bodyparts fully intact and in working order.

[JAGERBOY]

While I think everyone should be circumcised, I don't feel it should be mandated by the government.

[JAGERBOY]

So, I could have procedure that cuts the protection away from the penis, letting the skin harden (which I think could crack and also lead to infection) and give more gov control over people.
.

What?

[potatoe]

What?

Thats what its particially their for. Mositurize.

[zodiac666]

What?

"Keratinization, also known as cornification, occurs because the unprotected, circumcised penis is constantly exposed to the drying effects of the air and rubs against clothing and undergarments. An extremely thing mucus membrane covers surface of the glans penis, which was never intended to be exposed. The glans penis should reside in a warm and moist environment, protected from chafing against clothing and drying from exposure"

http://www.herballove.com/library/re...oreskin/ov.asp


Do you really not understand this process?

[JAGERBOY]

Thats what its particially their for. Mositurize.

A circumcised penis does not "crack", its just like any other skin on your body , it still has enough moisture.

[JAGERBOY]

"Keratinization, also known as cornification, occurs because the unprotected, circumcised penis is constantly exposed to the drying effects of the air and rubs against clothing and undergarments. An extremely thing mucus membrane covers surface of the glans penis, which was never intended to be exposed. The glans penis should reside in a warm and moist environment, protected from chafing against clothing and drying from exposure"

http://www.herballove.com/library/re...oreskin/ov.asp


Do you really not understand this process?

Are you circumcised?

[zodiac666]

A circumcised penis does not "crack", its just like any other skin on your body , it still has enough moisture.

And the skin is unquestionably tougher than if it had a foreskin covering it, do you agree?

[zodiac666]

Are you circumcised?

No...do you really not understand the process? The skin is more exposed and because of that it toughens up more...

[potatoe]

A circumcised penis does not "crack", its just like any other skin on your body , it still has enough moisture.

I suggest that people then get lips removed to prevent gum disease/tooth decay as well.

[Aggressive]

Thats what its particially their for. Mositurize.

lol, what? Im cut and I havent had any cracks as yet. I'll keep you posted though (no homo)

[JuanDenver]

cash for uncuts?

[Aggressive]

I suggest that people then get lips removed to prevent gum disease/tooth decay as well.

Actually that would increase tooth decay..

[Icicle]

[JAGERBOY]

No...do you really not understand the process? The skin is more exposed and because of that it toughens up more...

Then it is YOU who doesn't understand the "process". If you are not circumcised, you really don't have the authority to speak about the "process". I assure you, you are HUGELY over exaggerating what goes on with a circumcised penis.

[JAGERBOY]

I suggest that people then get lips removed to prevent gum disease/tooth decay as well.

What are you talking about dude? Whats with you and these analogies? Did you even skim over the study? If you did you'd realize that all these analogies you keep giving are not even comparable.

[zodiac666]

Then it is YOU who doesn't understand the "process". If you are not circumcised, you really don't have the authority to speak about the "process". I assure you, you are HUGELY over exaggerating what goes on with a circumcised penis.

I didn't over exaggerate anything, can you read...

For the people who can't understand the process put a bandaid on your hand for 24 hours and then look at the skin...there is less keratinization which makes the skin more sensitive (it is also more prone to bacteria growth because it is a warm, wet enviroment).

How can you possibly not understand this??? I think I need to go find the confused monkey picture for you...

[DaPlasurNDaPain]

http://www.examiner.com/x-16813-Lega...-United-States

Stops HIV? Just like stripping the hood off a car makes it so you can't get into a wreck

why do you have a problem with this when it's proven that you are less susceptible to certain diseases?

[zodiac666]

What are you talking about dude? Whats with you and these analogies? Did you even skim over the study? If you did you'd realize that all these analogies you keep giving are not even comparable.

Here, you can debate with this fella, I think he's more on your level...

[potatoe]

What are you talking about dude? Whats with you and these analogies? Did you even skim over the study? If you did you'd realize that all these analogies you keep giving are not even comparable.

You seem to be missing the main point here. If people want to be circumcised, fine, this isn't about (or it wasn't inteded to be) about ragging on either side, its about it being mandated and further loss of control in peoples lives, once more under the guise of "we know whats best for you".

[JAGERBOY]

I didn't over exaggerate anything, can you read...

For the people who can't understand the process put a bandaid on your hand for 24 hours and then look at the skin...there is less keratinization which makes the skin more sensitive (it is also more prone to bacteria growth because it is a warm, wet enviroment).

How can you possibly not understand this??? I think I need to go find the confused monkey picture for you...

Dude are you sure you are trying to reply to me? Everything you just said supports the study. Another poster implied that if you get circumcised your skin cracks. I disagreed with him and said "what?". Then you reply to me about not understanding things. What are you going on about? I never said I didn't understand anything.

[potatoe]

why do you have a problem with this when it's proven that you are less susceptible to certain diseases?

Go have sex with someone who has HIV and report back then please.