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    Great..

    You already know how to use your hips from doing all those snatches.. So when it comes to learning the cleans, I’m not worried about the second pull.

    IMO I think we should focus on the third pull. It may not make sense now, but trust the process. You might think, “But that’s not what Lyndz is doing.” You’re right, but you gotta remember you have different issues.

    So, first goal is to learn third pull. Cleans from the dead hang will make you a badass cleaner.

    This is Mezz.. I think you’ve seen him in Lyndz’ journal. He was trained by a 1984 Olympics alternate lifter. You can watch the whole vid.. But the movement you want to master is cleans from the dead hang, which is at the very end of his video:




    To give you a different angle, starting at time 0:30, I’m doing the same drill. You can watch the whole thing, but time 0:30 is what you want to learn.


    Steps:
    a) Stand up with bar in your hands.
    b) Grip is thumbs away from your hips.
    c) Hook grip.
    d) Stance is hip width.
    e) Drop like a rock as you rack the bar.
    f) When you receive the bar in bottom position, move feet from hip to squat width.
    g) Elbows high.


    Notes:
    a) DO NOT HITCH. Do not bend your knees, pop up and drop.. That’s a different drill with different purpose.
    b) This drill teaches you speed under the bar, as well as learning how to keep bar close to you, and also teaches you to eliminate that annoying arm bend.

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    Nice!! ^

    Originally Posted by BubsNBean View Post
    Yeah, I didn't feel very tight at all today. I thought I was setting up the same each time, but on Tuesday I did a much better job with consistency.
    Consistent as far as same set up each time.

    You have a lot of heebie jeebiez in your setup before you start the first pull. Which is fine you going through cues in your head and finding proper starting stance. As you practice more it will become more second nature and some of these will be deleted.

    Back to the heebie jeebiez<-- it's okay to have them but make sure they are the same each time.

    For example--

    head down hips down, head up, head back down, head up chest up hips down lift

    ^^ it's okay if you do this every time, but do this not

    lift 1 head down headup hips up hips down blah blah
    lift 2 xoxoxo
    lift 3 xxoooxx

    Get it?

    Lastly your head comes up before your first pull on your snatch but only right before you pull as if it's an afterthought. head up chest up shoulders down and back then lift. This will help you squat it up and not RDL..


    It's like good morning out of a squat. You have to get your chest up so you don't good morning= you have to get your chest up so you can squat the bar up and not rdl... understand?


    Shameless plug for lucas parker who has a lot of heebie jebbiez but they are the same each time. (one of my favorite 'lifters' so much heart)





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    Thanks you guys!!! I'm hopping a plane to NY for the weekend, so I'll read more/watch vids later. I can't even see them on my phone :/

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    Joel and Lyndz: read and watched and read and watched and repeated
    Made some notes.
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    Originally Posted by metalmullisha View Post
    How was the trip to NY?
    NY was awesome but exhausting! I didn't get to my room until 3:30am Saturday morning. Slept like sh!t, up at 1 to get ready for the wedding. Wedding was gorgeous- in the Catskill mountains up at Woodstock. Then the after party, so up super late again. Then brunch the morning after. I can't even begin to explain how pretty it is up there. So green, like Ireland green! Then I drove a couple hours up to Saratoga to visit another good friend I hadn't seen in 2 years. Up at 4:30am Monday morning to drive back to NYC. Oh, and turns out when you book round-trip flights to NY you don't always come and go through the same airport! I thought I was leaving out of LaGuardia, NOPE! Newark! I made it though- thank baby jesus it was a holiday and there was no traffic! So I got home Monday, ate dinner then took a "nap." Wyo couldn't wake me up, so my nap turned into 13 straight hours of sleep

    Oh, did I mention I had a drug reaction during this whole thing?! Apparently I'm allergic to penicillin now, after about a dozen times taking it before- so I was all red and swollen too! So I was also hopped up on benadryl and energy drinks to manage to stay awake. That might have contributed to the crash


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    Warm Up
    Flat Bench 45 2x10
    Push Ups 2x10

    Flat Bench
    **Forgot the bands today :/
    65 x5
    65 x5
    85 x5
    100 x5
    115 x5

    DB OHP
    20s x10
    35s x5
    35s x5
    35s x5

    Incline BB Press
    65 x5
    75 x5
    85 x5

    Dips
    x10
    x10
    x10

    Conditioning
    1hr hip hop class

    Notes
    -Ran out of time fro skull crushers and rope pressdown. Womp womp. Didn't have enough energy after class to do it.
    -Feeling a bit dazed and confused still yesterday. Out of it for sure.
    -Bench- could have done more, but was pressed for time.
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    5/28/14 Westside ME Lower
    **ME, kinda... turned into snatch/clean marathon

    Warm Up
    BW Squat 3x15
    Squat Stretch
    Hip stretches
    ROM
    Leg swings

    Empty Bar
    Snatch first pull x5
    Snatch first pull x5
    Drop snatch x5
    Drop snatch x5
    Hang Snatch x5
    Hang Snatch x5
    Dead hang clean x5
    Dead hang clean x5

    Full Snatch
    55 x5
    65 x5
    75 x5
    85 x5
    90 x2

    Squat Clean
    65 x5
    75 x5
    85 x5

    Notes
    -This took forever,and I was totally pooped! Will have to go back later for safety bar squat, deads, adductors/abductors.
    -I think the dead hang clean really helps.
    -I keep telling myself, "Elbows up! Elbows up!" I need to work on elbow flexibility!

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    Dead hang clean- Round 2


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    Wow! Great job, Bubz.. Minor adjustment on the hang cleans from the knees. When the bar is on your knees, make sure your shins are perpendicular and your shoulders are a bit more forward of the bar. Then from that position, ‘squat’ the bar into the launch point (which is upper thighs), then basically complete the lift. Don’t feel tempted to use your arms to bring the bar close.. Keep arms lose and relaxed while keeping back tight. The bar will have a pendulum-like effect and it will come close to you.

    You are doing that double knee bend thingy too soon, meaning your knees go forward under the bar prematurely. Power comes from the posterior chain.. Stay over the bar without moving your knees under too soon, until BAM! In fact, just keep things simple. Stay over bar and feel your posterior chain coil up, then BAM!

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    Hi!

    I'm running westside as well and I'm curious as to how you like it?? I realize yours is modified, just looking for some feedback
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    Originally Posted by NorwichGrad View Post
    Wow! Great job, Bubz.. Minor adjustment on the hang cleans from the knees. When the bar is on your knees, make sure your shins are perpendicular and your shoulders are a bit more forward of the bar. Then from that position, ‘squat’ the bar into the launch point (which is upper thighs), then basically complete the lift. Don’t feel tempted to use your arms to bring the bar close.. Keep arms lose and relaxed while keeping back tight. The bar will have a pendulum-like effect and it will come close to you.

    You are doing that double knee bend thingy too soon, meaning your knees go forward under the bar prematurely. Power comes from the posterior chain.. Stay over the bar without moving your knees under too soon, until BAM! In fact, just keep things simple. Stay over bar and feel your posterior chain coil up, then BAM!

    Excellent, excellent, excellent progress!!
    yayaya!! The second round of dead hang cleans felt a lot better than the first. And, to be honest, the heavier squat cleans felt better than the lighter ones. But my lower back is on fire already, why?! I don't know why I'm having trouble squatting the bar up... I know how to squat for fuk's sake! More things to work on, yay

    Originally Posted by AlexW1991 View Post
    Hi!

    I'm running westside as well and I'm curious as to how you like it?? I realize yours is modified, just looking for some feedback
    Hi Alex! Glad to have you here! I love Westside, and yeah, mine is a little modified. Especially if you've only looked at the last two days! I still focus on heavy bench press, heavy squat, and heavy deadlifts though. My strength has gotten so much better because of running Westside. The one caveat to running it though, is that it's best with a training partner. You really do need someone to help with the little things on form, and good reliable spotter for your max effort days. The only other caution I have is trying to max your deadlift while maxing the other lifts. Deads are so taxing, I couldn't do it. So when I try to max on deads, that's the only thing I'm maxing on. (And by max I'm talking about 1RM).

    Let me know if you have any other specific questions and what not, I'd be happy to chime in


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    I'm liking the lifts! I have zero to say about the lifts because I'm no authority, but they're looking great!
    Thanks Mat! They feel like they're coming along!
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    Hnnnnnnnng....look at those mountains and lakes!
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    Chins/Pulls
    8/7
    8/7

    Reverse Grip Rows
    65 x8
    95 x5
    105 x5
    115 x5
    125 x5

    Straight Bar Cable Curls
    #6 x10
    #6 x10
    #7 x10

    Seated Cable Row
    130 x10
    140 x10
    150 x10

    DB Hammer Curls
    25s x10
    25s x10
    25s x10

    CG Lat Pulldown
    87.5 x10
    87.5 x10
    87.5 x10

    Conditioning
    Stairmill
    14 minutes, 60 floors

    Notes
    -OMFG I am SO sore today. My traps and delts are on fire, and sore traps gives me one mean headache :/
    -I'm also holding a bunch of water (I assume from the weekend still)- I have cankles, and my jeans are embarrassingly tight.
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    Your pullups are way better than mine you bitch!
    It's only cause I'm lighter, not because I'm stronger!

    Next week I'll add 10lbs and let's see how good I am
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    Originally Posted by BubsNBean View Post
    It's only cause I'm lighter, not because I'm stronger!

    Next week I'll add 10lbs and let's see how good I am
    Do it. I havent added weight lately and last time I did I added maybe 10 or 15 lbs. Im too heavy for that sh!t!
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    I know how you love the wilderness
    It's where all the wild women are!!!
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    Originally Posted by Boomer29 View Post
    Beautiful pics and girl in the pics... still love that dress!

    Great vids, Improvement!!
    Awww, thank Boomz!!!

    Yay, improving little by little!

    Originally Posted by penny0527 View Post
    Do it. I havent added weight lately and last time I did I added maybe 10 or 15 lbs. Im too heavy for that sh!t!
    yeah, I'll slap on 10lbs and give it a go!
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    NY was awesome but exhausting! I didn't get to my room until 3:30am Saturday morning. Slept like sh!t, up at 1 to get ready for the wedding. Wedding was gorgeous- in the Catskill mountains up at Woodstock. Then the after party, so up super late again. Then brunch the morning after. I can't even begin to explain how pretty it is up there. So green, like Ireland green! Then I drove a couple hours up to Saratoga to visit another good friend I hadn't seen in 2 years. Up at 4:30am Monday morning to drive back to NYC. Oh, and turns out when you book round-trip flights to NY you don't always come and go through the same airport! I thought I was leaving out of LaGuardia, NOPE! Newark! I made it though- thank baby jesus it was a holiday and there was no traffic! So I got home Monday, ate dinner then took a "nap." Wyo couldn't wake me up, so my nap turned into 13 straight hours of sleep

    Oh, did I mention I had a drug reaction during this whole thing?! Apparently I'm allergic to penicillin now, after about a dozen times taking it before- so I was all red and swollen too! So I was also hopped up on benadryl and energy drinks to manage to stay awake. That might have contributed to the crash


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    Originally Posted by Zenshi View Post
    Hope you feel better Bubs. Been busy to really follow but I am glad I checked in. You look amazing in the pics. Also nice scenic pic.
    Thanks Zen! On the mend, that's for sure
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    Flat bench
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    65 x5
    65 x5

    DE Flat Bench/Clap Push-Ups
    **No clapping, I was lucky to get air!
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    75 x5/Push up x5
    75 x5/Push up x5

    JM Press
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    100 x10

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    15s x10

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    Notes
    -Still so effing sore.... ugh. This workout was a struggle today. Not feeling strong, feeling extremely sore.
    -Bench/push up things are hard! I did them as fast as I could, then rested about 30-45s in between sets. Dayum. Thanks BSG!
    -Might soak in a hot tub today, this blows. I haven't felt like this... well... a few weeks ago when I took a deload! Fuark.

    This was me today, I chose to suck it up and lift because I was really close to staying in bed. REALLY close.
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    Soooo..... I haven't updated in like 3 days.

    Skipped DE lower on Saturday. For some strange reason I've been unreasonably sore for unreasonably long. I did legs on Wednesday and was still sore on Saturday. So I said eff it.

    Also- sore traps/neck/shoulders have been giving me the worst tension headaches. I blame this on the Oly lifts. So tomorrow's ME lower will be light on the Oly lifts. Still snatch and clean, but not nearly as much as last week.

    FUN NEWS
    Wyo has convinced me to compete with him at the Highland Games in Salt Lake City. In 2 weeks!
    Based on my throws now I shouldn't come in dead last, so that's a plus. It should be fun. And the community of people are really supportive. Plus, since I'm a newbie, and not all that great, the ladies will probably be more likely to help me out and be extra supportive. Sure beats sitting around and watching all day! Wyo had suggested it a few times before, and I don't know why I was being such a pussy about it, but whatever. I'm in!
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    Hope that they go well for ya! Any plans to head to Maxville or Montréal in August?
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    FUN NEWS
    Sure beats sitting around and watching all day! Wyo had suggested it a few times before, and I don't know why I was being such a pussy about it, but whatever. I'm in!
    That's gonna be so epic!!
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    I cant wait to see the videos! I bet you do well.
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    Soooo..... I haven't updated in like 3 days.

    Skipped DE lower on Saturday. For some strange reason I've been unreasonably sore for unreasonably long. I did legs on Wednesday and was still sore on Saturday. So I said eff it.

    Also- sore traps/neck/shoulders have been giving me the worst tension headaches. I blame this on the Oly lifts. So tomorrow's ME lower will be light on the Oly lifts. Still snatch and clean, but not nearly as much as last week.

    FUN NEWS
    Wyo has convinced me to compete with him at the Highland Games in Salt Lake City. In 2 weeks!
    Based on my throws now I shouldn't come in dead last, so that's a plus. It should be fun. And the community of people are really supportive. Plus, since I'm a newbie, and not all that great, the ladies will probably be more likely to help me out and be extra supportive. Sure beats sitting around and watching all day! Wyo had suggested it a few times before, and I don't know why I was being such a pussy about it, but whatever. I'm in!
    That's awesome!

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    Woo for the HG!

    Hope that they go well for ya! Any plans to head to Maxville or Montréal in August?
    Hopefully I won't be last, that's all I really want. And to not injure myself! Wyo says there's a few chicks that are really good, so I won't win. But that's fine with me! Not going to Canadia in August, but I am going to the Bahamas

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    That's gonna be so epic!!
    Let's hope it's not an epic fail!

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    I cant wait to see the videos! I bet you do well.
    Lol videos.... oh lawd. If it's anything like practice I'll fall a lot

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    That's awesome!

    What kind of moves will you be competing in?
    All of them!

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