England Warns America: Don't let them take your guns(vid)

[nightmare69]

lol

Blind patriotism. Look back on absolutely ANY culture and you will see some sort of cultural firearm significance. I've been around firearms plenty of times, I've been on commercial airliners with open carriers and it made me sick to me and my parent's stomachs to know the people in front of them were dealing firearms mid-flight.

Just imagine seeing some pale FA with a duffle bag and an Open carry sidearm waltzing the streets in America. Perfectly fine to them, it's in fact legal. And the LEO's wouldn't have any real authority to demand a permit.



Two places I've witnessed this. America, and in the outskirts of a third-world country reeling from poverty.

What public airliner lets citizens carry guns period? The only people I knew that are allowed to carry on planes is federal agents and air marshals.

[broboma2012]

The amount of extreme stress that American LEO's deal with in their constant training to be prepared for the common gun wielding American is overwhelming.

more anecdotal evidence. another victim of confirmation bias. if you are looking for something you will find it.

[fFozzie]

Better read up on that American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

Clearly the way to fix these problems is to take away guns and give the government more power.

/SARCAMS


In America the government is considered an necessary evil; examples like the ones you posted just reiterate that idea.

[cyrtekz]

It's true you Fox news watching redneck, the UK is a dystopian wasteland of crime and poverty. Every day I thank allah that I am still alive. Just as I am typing this, I can hear the crack of gunfire from outside my window and i'm huddling into my tea and crumpets.

lold haha pls just stop commenting on other countries americanos, let use ridicule u in peace

[broboma2012]

Why does everyone compare the US to the UK when it comes to guns? What about the Swiss? 29% of households in Switzerland contain guns including fully/semi automatics, and handguns. Yet their murder rates is only around .5 per 100,000. If having guns around cause violence, shouldn't the swiss be drowning in their own blood?


The problem in the US is not guns, but the huge gang problem.

this. the ****ing common denominator is clearly not guns. there are other factors at work.

[fFozzie]

Gun culture has always been a part of American culture, therefore there are A LOT of guns all over America. They ARE NOT going away. Comparing the banning of guns in a country where there are millions of guns around to the banning of guns in America is completely unrealistic.

Also, America has always had a different outlook on 'freedom' than the rest of the world. American freedom is based on liberty/individual freedoms and not ease of life/safety. Ie: (traditionally) in America it is far more important to maintain individual rights and liberties (ie: the right to bear arms/self defense) than it is to deny these freedoms in favor of theoretical safety. This is also apparent in our traditional disdain for socialism as well; we do not place a large value on comfort/ease of life if it involves hand holding. That is a topic for another time; but it's all related.

NOW I am not saying which is superior to the other; just that perhaps you can step back and view things from an 'American' viewpoint sometimes. We are a very, very different country than the rest. Some of us love it that way; some of us want to move more towards a European sense of safety/freedom balance. It's up to the individual's opinion of course.

And of course there is always the point that the 2nd Amendment is not for hunting; it's a form of checks/balances on our own Government. I understand that it is very, very far-fetched that we will ever have to have an 'uprising' against our own government; but it is not impossible and the 2nd Amendment has been used in this way during 'modern' times ( examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_...ens_%281946%29 ).

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

"The land of the free, the home of the brave."



We aren't addicted to guns, we are addicted to liberty. Guns, being as controversial and 'extreme' as they are are a PERFECT example of what sets us apart from literally EVERYONE else. Lovers of liberty cling to their guns because they are a symbol of just how free we are; we are allowed to have something that is considered so controversial, so 'deadly', so 'wrong', so 'scary', etc. etc by the rest of the world. And we have been allowed to do so by our own Constitution since the founding of our beautiful country; and no one is going to change that.

Firearms are the perfect symbol of freedom. It's easy to grant people certain freedoms; granting them the freedom of essentially rebellion is not easy.


It really comes down to this:

Anti-gun people want to make America a safer place; this being their idea of freedom.

Pro-gun people don't want to sacrifice certain liberties in order to make America (maybe) a bit safer (and most of them don't think it will do that anyways, myself included).

So no one will ever agree.

It comes down to this, as a pro-gun sort of fellow:

If you were a magical wizard from the land of Oz that could somehow ACTUALLY guarantee that there would be 100% less violence in America if we banned all guns; I would still tell you I don't want that. Freedom is more important.

Anti-gun arguments are the same as Christian arguments that are based in the Bible ("It's in the bible; therefore it is correct.") if I don't BELIEVE in the Bible in the first place; the argument is useless. If I don't BELIEVE in safety-above-all; your arguments are useless to me as far as gun-control goes.

[eurolift_old]

You're right, hence, "what's left of it". Obama alone has installed so many God damned laws, it's unbelievable that there hasn't been an uprising yet.

Don't believe it has anything to do with Obama. As far as I know the US was always conservative regarding things like alcohol and prostitution.

[HMFIC_BROWSIN]

You know no one will take anything you say seriously when you say dumb sh*t like this?

Also, increasing font size will not make your argument more credible, if anything it just makes you seem like an overbearing tool.

so what else explains you being oblivious to the crime statistics in your crime-ridden great britain? The fact the country hasn't gone into war over a man being imprisoned for defending himself is fuking incredible.

[iron_monster]

I'll give you three guesses as to what the gun laws are like in this 'hot spots. I'll bet you will only need one guess though.

Liberals, gun free zones, and Urbans

Do I get extra credit for getting all 3?

[Revzman]

To compare violent crime numbers, I'd have thought it would be fairly obvious that we'd also need to compare what constitutes as a violent crime under UK and US law. In the UK, raising your voice could be deemed a violent crime.

The murder rates speak for themselves however.

[FullSquat]

still waiting for a logical argument using statistics from a EU brah.

I already know all of you "Feel safe and never ever worry about anyone ever having a weapon but that isn't proof of anything, because statistics say otherwise.

Not from UK but similar culture/attitudes to guns exists here. After the 1996 Port Arthur massacre (35 dead) pump action shotguns and semi-automatic rifles were banned. Severe restrictions on ownership of other firearms were also introduced. Since these laws came in there has not been a single shooting massacre in Australia, more than 4 deaths at once. To put that in perspective in the 16 years since gun control legislation in 1996 not a single shooting mass murder has occurred. In the previous 16 years there where 8 mass shootings resulting in total deaths of more than 90 individuals.

You may be more likely to be punched by a yobbo or have a junkie burgle your home in Australia but you are not at risk of being blown away at the movies or getting gunned down at a school either.

[broboma2012]

Better read up on that American.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Act

haha. holy ****. are you making the case for not banning guns now? these are precisely the reasons why we shouldn't be so quick to give up our rights.

[infrum]

more anecdotal evidence. another victim of confirmation bias. if you are looking for something you will find it.

The fact that it's anecdotal doesn't reduce the cultural significance and strength of that clip, or the LEO's death.

[XLiberty]

Well, England is a bunch of ******* and pussies anyways. Do any of you even dentist??

Well it's a good thing the strongest anti-gun Brit in this thread is from Glasgow

[Domxmb]

In my 25 years living in the UK no one I know has had their house broken into. The only times I've got into fights or confrontations have been on nights out, and it's easily avoided for the most part.

I lived 15 years in USA and I don't know anyone who had their house broken into...

Lived in UK past 3 years and I know many people who had their house broken into...

[WAITINGTO]

The law in England is a fkin joke.

You defend yourself against an attack and you do a lot more time than the attacker and have to pay compensation.
In some cases burglars have broken into peoples homes and injured themselves by falling over something or cut their arm on a window and actually sued the home owner!! SRS.

If you wan't to live in the uk (you're either insane or retarded) either become a criminal and rob the system and other people or get reading to pay heavy taxes and not afford any nice things.

Lol a lot of people here pay %50 tax. imagine working hard 5-6 days a week and watching the government take half of your money and give it to scumbags who have more children and possesions than you. not to mention bigger houses and nicer cars.

Oh and as if they don't think taking your money right out of your hand they will break into your house and steal what meagre possesions you do have.

i don't think there is one thing correct in this entire rant

[nightmare69]

If any of you UK brahs come to America hit me up if you want to the range. Always love taking people who never shot before, they have a smile on their face the entire time.

Ill let you shoot my 2 Sig Sauers....



You buy your own ammo of course.

[infrum]

In America the government is considered an necessary evil; examples like the ones you posted just reiterate that idea.

Let's just all take some time to think about what this actually means. Freedom in exchange for freedom?

haha. holy ****. are you making the case for not banning guns now? these are precisely the reasons why we shouldn't be so quick to give up our rights.

Fact is, firearms has simply taken away the transparency and synonymy of your government and its people. What part of Kennedy's head being - literally - blown to pieces, was a part of fighting for freedom? Was that a necessary evil?

What public airliner lets citizens carry guns period? The only people I knew that are allowed to carry on planes is federal agents and air marshals.

Was shortly before 9/11.

Dad was sweating bullets the whole flight.

[SwagMorris]

Lots of unaware brahs in here. Most people in the U.S. do not have guns. Most people in the U.S. do not defend their homes with guns. I've lived here my whole life, do not own a gun, friends/family do not own guns, never had home broken into, never had any friend or relatives home broken into. Seems like people outside the country always think some armed gunman will break into your house at night if you live here. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's a very rare thing.

That being said, we should keep our guns. It's too late. Get rid of them now and criminals would keep theirs, only honest people would turn guns in. Defeats the purpose.

Oh lawd this. 27 years old, and I have never felt the need to own a firearm to protect myself. Don't believe I've ever met anyone who did, either. I have a lot of friends and family who own guns. Mostly locked away in gun safes, pretty much useless against an intruder at that point.

The real debate is about lowering poverty levels in urban areas in minority communities. Improving education in these areas, bringing jobs to them. Also improving mental health around the country. Too many people feel that violence is their only way. Guns are just a tool, unfortunately used by many not responsible enough to operate that tool.

[fFozzie]

Let's just all take some time to think about what this actually means. Freedom in exchange freedom?

What are you talking about? It means that things such as the Patriot Act are so unequivocally anti-American and anti-Constitution; it is incredibly silly to try to use them AGAINST the sort of people that are pro-2nd Amendment.

[hackerwacker]

American homicide rate - 4.8
UK homicide rate - 1.2

Cool story you delusional moron.

Swiss homicide rate - 0.7

[fFozzie]

Considering I have been the most argumentative twat ITT, I reckon I've fired the biggest weapon out of anyone here (excluding military brahs)

Video please. I always hear stories about this but never see videos. I've always been skeptical because of the massive price of that type of ordinance.


No hate, just mind boggling that people would set up a business letting tourists shoot that type of weapon instead of just selling the rounds for massive amounts of money.

[nightmare69]

Was shortly before 9/11.

Dad was sweating bullets the whole flight.

If there had been armed citizens on the planes that the terrorist used I can 99% guarantee that 9/11 would have never happened. I doubt the terrorist would have tried to take over the planes with knifes if they knew some travelers were packing firearms.

[nightmare69]

Considering I have been the most argumentative twat ITT, I reckon I've fired the biggest weapon out of anyone here (excluding military brahs)

Where was this pic taken? Mirin.

[broboma2012]

Fact is, firearms has simply taken away the transparency and synonymy of your government and its people. What part of Kennedy's head being - literally - blown to pieces, was a part of fighting for freedom? Was that a necessary evil?

that's great, more anecdotal evidence. you are a champion of logic. meanwhile, no conclusive connection has been made between low homicide rates and gun banning. not surprising no one has addressed the swiss figures; despite the fact that they are 'armed to the teeth'.

[illriginalized]

In truth I didn't actually fire this one, I fired an RPG-7 but they wouldn't let me take any photos or videos because it was illegal. We were allowed photos standing with any of of the decommissioned guns.

I paid $200 to fire one rocket, I figured I'd never get another chance.

Rememeber that the guys who you pay do not pay for anything themselves, they are part of the military and make money selling military equipment to farangs (white westerners). The whole area is insanely corrupt.

lulz.. in America it actually costs $200 per grenade or "rocket" (lulz). And yes.. grenade launchers are legal. You just have to have extensive background checks done. I actually have the attachment on hold for me from a local store. Which will be attaching to my AR-15

[robindswani]

Not many people in the UK have guns. You feel "equal" to a person who is robbing your house for example because the likelyhood of them having a gun is low. In America people have guns, so you need guns in your house to protect yourself and to feel equal.

UK:
brb single mother and kids V fairly fit male burglar with a knife

USA:

brb single mother with handgun V fairly fit male with handgun *both equally trained in the usage of the handgun*




UWOTM8?

[Sakeoe]

I don't see the logic in 2 guys break into you're home and you shoot them both and the cops take you to jail like the guy in the first vid. Why also is Britain ranked the #1 most violent in the EU?

Because their crime statistics involve victemless crimes.

UK:
brb single mother and kids V fairly fit male burglar with a knife

USA:

brb single mother with handgun V fairly fit male with handgun *both equally trained in the usage of the handgun*




UWOTM8?

And a wild shootout ensues between the single mother and the burglar while the kids run around. No thanks Jeff.

[LiftTheIron]

Was shortly before 9/11.

Dad was sweating bullets the whole flight.

Either you're a liar or your dad is a pussy

UK:
brb single mother and kids V fairly fit male burglar with a knife

USA:

brb single mother with handgun V fairly fit male with handgun *both equally trained in the usage of the handgun*




UWOTM8?

What are you trying to say here? If you mean the U.S woman in your example has a better chance of survival, GJDM.

[nightmare69]

Cambodia brah.

Funny story, I asked the guy who ran the place what i was allowed to shoot and he said I could shoot a tree for $200 (that's what I did), should a chicken with an AK-47 for $15 (you got 10 rounds) or a cow with the RPG for $500. As a joke I asked how much to shoot a person and he looked pretty angry and shook his head, so I just laughed it off.

Then later on as I was leaving the place the guy hurridly ran up behind me and whispered $2000 in my ear. Basically he was going to let me shoot one of the many homeless people for $2k... Scary place right?



It's not legal in Cambodia brah, especially on a military base using military equipment. RPG stands for 'rocket-propelled-grenade', no? I don't see how calling it a rocket is that stupid.

Thats crazy, no thanks jeff do not want to go there.