1,4 ad and dhea

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 03:20 PM

I just got my 1, 4 andro (Iforce nutrition Bold) and Dhea from bb.com. Just wondering is the Iforce Nutrition Bold 1.4 AD as effective as NORANDRODIOL SELECT ERGOPHARM 300. I want real opinions from people who have actually tried, 1, 4 AD or DHEA.

Also how should I use these in conjuntion with other supplements. I plan on running a HAVOC (Epistane) a prohormone. Should I use the 1 4 ad and dhea in my pct???? OR Should I after my cycle wait a month and ran these together, 1,4 AD, Rebound Reloaded, and DHEA.

Let me know please you guys on the best possible use of these supplements.

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 03:40 PM

bump

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 03:43 PM

Bold is a good supplement, just expensive! You need a good 600+MG per day, so that bottle is a 10 day sampler if you ran it at 600mg. Honestly, its probably safer and cheaper to just buy boldenone Undec. Yeah its illegal, but so is a bunch of other things we all buy.....

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 04:00 PM

so im thinkig of getting another bottle cause boldenone is hard to fine,

But in regard to the Bold 1, 4 ad should I run it with a pro hormone, after, or alone....

Still people I need those questions at top answers if yall can. Thanks

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by PeoplesChamp

I just got my 1, 4 andro (Iforce nutrition Bold) and Dhea from bb.com. Just wondering is the Iforce Nutrition Bold 1.4 AD as effective as NORANDRODIOL SELECT ERGOPHARM 300. I want real opinions from people who have actually tried, 1, 4 AD or DHEA.

Also how should I use these in conjuntion with other supplements. I plan on running a HAVOC (Epistane) a prohormone. Should I use the 1 4 ad and dhea in my pct???? OR Should I after my cycle wait a month and ran these together, 1,4 AD, Rebound Reloaded, and DHEA.

Let me know please you guys on the best possible use of these supplements.

bump

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 04:44 PM

Heres a solid cycle I found

Dosing:
Week 1:
Trenadrol 3mg
Bold 500mg
Week 2:
Trenadrol 6mg
Bold 500mg
Week 3:
Trenadrol 6mg
Bold 500mg
Week 4:
Superdrol 10mg
Bold 500mg
Week 5:
Superdrol 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 6:
Superdrol 20mg
Bold 500mg

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by Webgem

Heres a solid cycle I found

Dosing:
Week 1:
Trenadrol 3mg
Bold 500mg
Week 2:
Trenadrol 6mg
Bold 500mg
Week 3:
Trenadrol 6mg
Bold 500mg
Week 4:
Superdrol 10mg
Bold 500mg
Week 5:
Superdrol 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 6:
Superdrol 20mg
Bold 500mg

I have yet to try a ph cycle yet, but will start my HAVOC soon. This looks intresting though, but kinda pricey.

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by PeoplesChamp

I have yet to try a ph cycle yet, but will start my HAVOC soon. This looks intresting though, but kinda pricey.

My ****in havoc came opened...Thinking about whether to return it or just to use it..

**samsam12341** · 02-17-2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Webgem

Heres a solid cycle I found

Dosing:
Week 1:
Trenadrol 3mg
Bold 500mg
Week 2:
Trenadrol 6mg
Bold 500mg
Week 3:
Trenadrol 6mg
Bold 500mg
Week 4:
Superdrol 10mg
Bold 500mg
Week 5:
Superdrol 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 6:
Superdrol 20mg
Bold 500mg

Week 7: Liver transplant.

That is a stupid ass cycle. Superdrol, bold, trenadrol? 3 Weeks of superdrol is too little too..

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by samsam12341

Week 7: Liver transplant.

That is a stupid ass cycle. Superdrol, bold, trenadrol? 3 Weeks of superdrol is too little too..

3 weeks is the most you should do. Iforce bold, should be ran longer, perhaps 12 weeks....

Trenadrol is not methylated, neither is bold. Why the liver transplant?

I suggest you research before talking out ya arse.

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Webgem

3 weeks is the most you should do. Iforce bold, should be ran longer, perhaps 12 weeks....

Trenadrol is not methylated, neither is bold. Why the liver transplant?

I suggest you research before talking out ya arse.

sam any feedback or response.....not talking **** man, just wondering your argument

**samsam12341** · 02-17-2007, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by PeoplesChamp

sam any feedback or response.....not talking **** man, just wondering your argument

Alright, lets break down each supplement shall we? Bold is a very mild and low class pro-hormone just like winztrol or mega-zol. However, he recommended you to run it at 500mg. It is so weak that it needs to be taken in higher doses. Now, i'm not saying that higher doses is much worse, but its just more your liver needs to process. That guy is talking like if something isn't methylated then its deemed safe. It is true, un-methylated pro-hormones are much much safer on your liver and lipid values however, they are still mildy toxic to the liver. Especially when you are running them at high doses, then the liver toxicity starts adding up. And adding superdrol in for three weeks isn't smart just because.. well.. its superdrol. Nothing to explain there.

Now lets taken in the HPTA shutdown factor. Six weeks isn't too long of a cycle compared to injections or an old 1-AD recommended cycle. During the first weeks of tren and bold, you will notice some mild shutdown. Shutdown is expectd with all steriods. Alright so what? Well once you add in one of the harshest pro-hormones ever made to the end of the cycle, you are shutting your self down even further. Not as bad as if you run it for four weeks but i'll get to that in a second.

Now lets talk superdrol length. I took superdrol my first time, and I started gaining about 1lb a day after 2.5 weeks up until I stopped. Some report 1lb a day for the first 10 days but most don't see it until 2.5 weeks. Thereby, lessening the gains you will be able to aquire in a three week superdrol cycle as appose to a four.

You probibly remember me running phera and then superdrol as a bridged stack. I can honestly say it was dumb and the sides weren't worth it. I can honestly say you will see more if you ran Tren and Bold together or just superdrol alone. More isn't always better.

Hope that helps, I am not flaming any of you. Just my opinon on the subject.

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by samsam12341

Alright, lets break down each supplement shall we? Bold is a very mild and low class pro-hormone just like winztrol or mega-zol. However, he recommended you to run it at 500mg. It is so weak that it needs to be taken in higher doses. Now, i'm not saying that higher doses is much worse, but its just more your liver needs to process. That guy is talking like if something isn't methylated then its deemed safe. It is true, un-methylated pro-hormones are much much safer on your liver and lipid values however, they are still mildy toxic to the liver. Especially when you are running them at high doses, then the liver toxicity starts adding up. And adding superdrol in for three weeks isn't smart just because.. well.. its superdrol. Nothing to explain there.

Now lets taken in the HPTA shutdown factor. Six weeks isn't too long of a cycle compared to injections or an old 1-AD recommended cycle. During the first weeks of tren and bold, you will notice some mild shutdown. Shutdown is expectd with all steriods. Alright so what? Well once you add in one of the harshest pro-hormones ever made to the end of the cycle, you are shutting your self down even further. Not as bad as if you run it for four weeks but i'll get to that in a second.

Now lets talk superdrol length. I took superdrol my first time, and I started gaining about 1lb a day after 2.5 weeks up until I stopped. Some report 1lb a day for the first 10 days but most don't see it until 2.5 weeks. Thereby, lessening the gains you will be able to aquire in a three week superdrol cycle as appose to a four.

You probibly remember me running phera and then superdrol as a bridged stack. I can honestly say it was dumb and the sides weren't worth it. I can honestly say you will see more if you ran Tren and Bold together or just superdrol alone. More isn't always better.

Hope that helps, I am not flaming any of you. Just my opinon on the subject.

You make a point, however, Lets not forget PCT and support supplements Ie, Clomid, Cycle Support, Nolva, and so fourth...

You running Phera-bridging to-SD is not in the same league as running Bold and Trenadrol-bridging to-SD.
Phera & SD are not much different as far as toxicity.

Bold at 500MG per day is roughly about 50MG of targeted conversion to Boldenone per day. Thats not bad- over a 12 week period.

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 05:24 PM

bump

lets keep this going

**samsam12341** · 02-17-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Webgem

You make a point, however, Lets not forget PCT and support supplements Ie, Clomid, Cycle Support, Nolva, and so fourth...

You running Phera-bridging to-SD is not in the same league as running Bold and Trenadrol-bridging to-SD.
Phera & SD are not much different as far as toxicity.

Bold at 500MG per day is roughly about 50MG of targeted conversion to Boldenone per day. Thats not bad- over a 12 week period.

Well, yes there is truth there you bring up. Cycle support does help for sure. I use it with every cycle and its great. But, a steriod is more powerfull than natural herbs. They are only there to help, they will not do an extreme amount of work. As far as pct. If he goes the nolva route, which I hope he does, It is also toxic to the liver. In my opinon, it is more toxic than bold or tren but less than superdrol, however studys show it has a postivie effect on the blood lipids.

My bridged stack was dumb and if I ran them seperately, I would have gained more. They are both toxic but a one week bridge helps. It was just too long and too hard of a cycle.

PeopleChamp, you should just either run bold + tren, or superdrol. I am sure you will see great and similiar gains from both but there is no reason to bridge stack them. You have your whole life ahead of you! Be responsible!

**Bloute** · 02-17-2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Webgem

My ****in havoc came opened...Thinking about whether to return it or just to use it..

Why not email RPN if you feel that your product wasnt sealed correctly?

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by samsam12341

Well, yes there is truth there you bring up. Cycle support does help for sure. I use it with every cycle and its great. But, a steriod is more powerfull than natural herbs. They are only there to help, they will not do an extreme amount of work. As far as pct. If he goes the nolva route, which I hope he does, It is also toxic to the liver. In my opinon, it is more toxic than bold or tren but less than superdrol, however studys show it has a postivie effect on the blood lipids.

My bridged stack was dumb and if I ran them seperately, I would have gained more. They are both toxic but a one week bridge helps. It was just too long and too hard of a cycle.

PeopleChamp, you should just either run bold + tren, or superdrol. I am sure you will see great and similiar gains from both but there is no reason to bridge stack them. You have your whole life ahead of you! Be responsible!

Peopleschamp, if this is your first cycle Sam has a point. Personally, I wouldn't use SD. Only oral out there I would take is Havoc at this point- along with real gear.

Ergomax LMG isn't bad either. Maybe this:

Dosing:
Week 1:
Bold 500mg
Week 2:
Bold 500mg
Week 3:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 4:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 5:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg
Week 6:
ErgoMax 20mg
Bold 500mg

Bold should be ran longer than 6 weeks however.

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Bloute

Why not email RPN if you feel that your product wasnt sealed correctly?

Matter of fact. I was thinking of shooting Dsade a PM. Honestly, didn't think RPN would be much help since I bought it elsewhere and not through them..

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by samsam12341

Well, yes there is truth there you bring up. Cycle support does help for sure. I use it with every cycle and its great. But, a steriod is more powerfull than natural herbs. They are only there to help, they will not do an extreme amount of work. As far as pct. If he goes the nolva route, which I hope he does, It is also toxic to the liver. In my opinon, it is more toxic than bold or tren but less than superdrol, however studys show it has a postivie effect on the blood lipids.

My bridged stack was dumb and if I ran them seperately, I would have gained more. They are both toxic but a one week bridge helps. It was just too long and too hard of a cycle.

PeopleChamp, you should just either run bold + tren, or superdrol. I am sure you will see great and similiar gains from both but there is no reason to bridge stack them. You have your whole life ahead of you! Be responsible!

I am not gonna get tren since I already have Havoc.....just wondering still guys how I can take the bold with havoc.....and what bout DHEA.....DHEA when should I take this

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by PeoplesChamp

I am not gonna get tren since I already have Havoc.....just wondering still guys how I can take the bold with havoc.....and what bout DHEA.....DHEA when should I take this

I would run it at the end of the cycle. 12 weeks of bold- depending on how long you want to run havoc, perhaps start it at week 7 or 8. I don't think it would be a good idea to run havoc at the start.

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 05:48 PM

NOt I will not be running Tren or SD

The only supps I will use are HAVOC, BOLD, and DHEA

So in regard to that what is the best.....

**Beejis60** · 02-17-2007, 06:07 PM

If you want to use DHEA as a prohormone, you will need to use a TON of it, like several grams per day. According to your bodyspace, you are only 22 and you hardly lifted in high school. Therefore, you probably aren't at your full genetic potential so you should not take any sort of PHs IMHO.

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by Beejis60

If you want to use DHEA as a prohormone, you will need to use a TON of it, like several grams per day. According to your bodyspace, you are only 22 and you hardly lifted in high school. Therefore, you probably aren't at your full genetic potential so you should not take any sort of PHs IMHO.

He's right champ, if DHEA worked it would of been added to the banned list in 2004.

**Mr. Aries** · 02-17-2007, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by Webgem

Yeah its illegal, but so is a bunch of other things we all buy.....

lmao.. i don't know about you, but i don't buy anything illegal.

**Webgem** · 02-17-2007, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Aries

lmao.. i don't know about you, but i don't buy anything illegal.

LOL.........

**PeoplesChamp** · 02-17-2007, 07:33 PM

so basically I should return the BOLD and DHEA and just run the HAVOC standalone with my support supps and pct.

True?

**samsam12341** · 02-17-2007, 10:20 PM

You could run a mild dose of DHEA while on Havoc but the Havoc is already extremely powerful. Superdrol is about 800% as anabolic as natural test while Havoc proved to be 1100%. A nickle short of M1T. Seems like a pretty powerfull compound with one hell of a estrogen fighter. As for bold, you can just run it as a stand alone if you would like later on down the road as a supplement at a very mild dose.

**PeoplesChamp** · 03-05-2007, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by samsam12341

You could run a mild dose of DHEA while on Havoc but the Havoc is already extremely powerful. Superdrol is about 800% as anabolic as natural test while Havoc proved to be 1100%. A nickle short of M1T. Seems like a pretty powerfull compound with one hell of a estrogen fighter. As for bold, you can just run it as a stand alone if you would like later on down the road as a supplement at a very mild dose.

Wow never know HAVOC was almost as powerful as M1T, then why do people use m1t since it is so harsh instead why dont they use havoc or epistane.

I just want to know is it good idea to preoload for 10 days or a week 1, 4 AD Bold from IforceNutrition, or no should I use it after HAVOC. I want to use it before I start my cycle, let me know if I should or not or wait until after. Please I need to know cause I plan to start my havoc on spring break

**PeoplesChamp** · 03-07-2007, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by samsam12341

You could run a mild dose of DHEA while on Havoc but the Havoc is already extremely powerful. Superdrol is about 800% as anabolic as natural test while Havoc proved to be 1100%. A nickle short of M1T. Seems like a pretty powerfull compound with one hell of a estrogen fighter. As for bold, you can just run it as a stand alone if you would like later on down the road as a supplement at a very mild dose.

I think for health and financial reasons right now I will wait until the summer probably to run HAVOC. I will have more money in the summer and more time, I dont want to run my first ph with the added stress of school and exams. I want everything to be perfect in regard to support supps, nutriton, and training and think in the summer I can dedicate myself fully to bodybuilding. I am going to work with these supps right now for spring break and want some suggestions. This is my stack:

1, 4 AD BOLD (IforceNutrition)
Higher Power DHEA
Rebound Reloaded
Tribex Trib.
BSN Cell Mass Creatine
Nitro Tech Protein
Animal Pak Vitamin
(and since I already started them) also
Hawthrone Berry
Liver 52

How many mg or g of the DHEA should I use for it to be effective? I will probably get another bottle of BOLD and run it at 600mg a day. Just want some suggestions please fellas help me out.

**geeman** · 03-08-2007, 06:03 AM

BOLD by iForce must not be doing, selling well? I see great deals all over the net for it!

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