Ketosis

[erinlee01]

I don't do time out I've been very bad and need spanking!!!!

I'll be the judge of that!

[tmonkey]

Its official Rey are drinking ice water in hell. You and I agree on something ID.

Physique is a way to try and attract mainstream people into the sport and for guys who use the "I don't want to get all big" excuse as to why not body build. That and yes board shorts can't flex and can't work legs cause its hard

I thought it was for gheys that like to 'get fit and tone' - sorta srs, more then sorta

[bigvin73]

I'll be the judge of that!

So should I send it in a PM?

[mslman71]

... is the concept of significant fat gain while in lipolysis. ...

This is an oxymoron, by definition, is it not?

[azstrengthcoach]

That's funny. Actually I work legs I'm not welcome in men's physique.

That's funny I work legs too I just don't like wearing a bikini

[azstrengthcoach]

You know,....I have never understood the whole "physique' thing.


While I understand not desiring to be a 'bodybuilder', I dont understand the idea behind covering up 1/3 of the body in a 'physique' competition. I guess it would be like judging with bath robes on

Do they have to wear 'board shorts' or can you chose to wear something that actually shows leg development?... Thinking of something more then a bikini and less then board shorts.

It depends on the organization some wear basically boxer briefs or bike shorts some wear board shorts.
I do men's physique because I like the look better than I do bodybuilding I don't like the amount of mass I would have to put on to become a competitive elite bodybuilder. I am unwilling to do the things chemically that would be required to put on another 50 to 60 pounds of mass to become a competitive elite bodybuilder I think the look of elite men's physique competitors is closer to the golden age lifters like Reg Park Steve Reeves or even Sandow than the freakish builds required today to compete at that level. I don't want to be 275lbs off season and 245lbs in season

[ntrllftr]

It depends on the organization some wear basically boxer briefs or bike shorts some wear board shorts

In orther word...

The ones who tried but gave up move down to this level.

[azstrengthcoach]

Hopefully we're back on topic. Here's my point. Long-term VLCD can potentially cause adaptations as well. Specifically, I'm talking about T3 and T4 levels. This point is usually oversimplified and used as a reason to avoid VLCDs completely. It's much the same as attempting to equate benign ketosis as being the same as diabetic ketoacidosis. I'm sure you've run into this point in your reading, as I did. I rejected it initially as being non-applicable, or at least of small significance.

Now comes the personal anecdote, take it for what you will.

Two years ago, I developed the symptoms of low T. I had been eating VLC (fat-based) for several months. Since I was aware of the possibility, I developed a hypothesis to increase T, while at the same time preventing lipogenic (fat storage) re-adaptation. It is a result of this that I began the process of carb manipulation, during both bulk and cut cycles, as a way to avoid this specific, hormonal effect. I was successful, all the negative symptoms disappeared, and I was able to resume both my fat loss, as well as my muscle gain. All without lipogenic re-adaptation. Now you understand the points of my earlier posts....

One thing I've not been able to validate, either on a personal basis or by talking to others, is the concept of significant fat gain while in lipolysis. This is usually justified by ASP, but I'm not been able to actually have it happen. When in a significant caloric excess, my fat loss stops, rather than experiencing any regain. If anyone has a different experience, please post, I have a few questions....

Again all those adaptations can be avoided doing CKD carbing up on the weekends keeps you lean but anabolic

[ntrllftr]

It depends on the organization some wear basically boxer briefs or bike shorts some wear board shorts.
I do men's physique because I like the look better than I do bodybuilding I don't like the amount of mass I would have to put on to become a competitive elite bodybuilder. I am unwilling to do the things chemically that would be required to put on another 50 to 60 pounds of mass to become a competitive elite bodybuilder I think the look of elite men's physique competitors is closer to the golden age lifters like Reg Park Steve Reeves or even Sandow than the freakish builds required today to compete at that level. I don't want to be 275lbs off season and 245lbs in season

Since you ninja edited...

You already are not natural. You pointed that out in another thread. My measurements (which I'm natural AND 50lbs lighter) are compareable to yours.
So, what makes you think that you can become an elite bodybuilder? Srs!

[azstrengthcoach]

In orther word...

The ones who tried but gave up move down to this level.

This from a guy who isn't an elite level anything and is clearly not trying to. You've clearly given up since you're not 175-180lbs on stage which is what you need to be to win nationally

[azstrengthcoach]

Since you ninja edited...

You already are not natural. You pointed that out in another thread. My measurements (which I'm natural AND 50lbs lighter) are compareable to yours.
So, what makes you think that you can become an elite bodybuilder? Srs!

No they aren't comparable you're 130lbs on stage? That's the same as me being 170 on stage. You clearly can't he an elite bodybuilder either since you're about 50-70lbs below what you'd need to be. I never claimed I was natural what's your point?

[ntrllftr]

No they aren't comparable you're 130lbs on stage? That's the same as me being 170 on stage. You clearly can't he an elite bodybuilder either since you're about 50-70lbs below what you'd need to be. I never claimed I was natural what's your point?

My point ONCE AGAIN is that you keep saying that I'm only 150lbs and my measurements are as big or bigger than yours at 200lbs BUT you keep putting me down. That makes no sense to me. That's the F'n point.

[azstrengthcoach]

In orther word...

The ones who tried but gave up move down to this level.

I find it funny you dis men's physique but this guy is your height and 30lb more muscle mass, clearly he's given up compared to you

http://npcnewsonline.com/mens-physiq...os/43092/mass/

[azstrengthcoach]

My point ONCE AGAIN is that you keep saying that I'm only 150lbs and my measurements are as big or bigger than yours at 200lbs BUT you keep putting me down. That makes no sense to me. That's the F'n point.

Your arm is half an inch bigger but you're arms are a lot shorter and you're twice as fat as me! Do the math you at 150 is the equivalent of me at 180 you're 150 lbs at 15-16% body fat which means you're maybe 130 tops on stage, elite level men's physique guys your height step on stage at 160 so of you're gonna make fun of physique at least be more impressive.

[ntrllftr]

I find it funny you dis men's physique but this guy is your height and 30lb more muscle mass, clearly he's given up compared to you

http://npcnewsonline.com/mens-physiq...os/43092/mass/

You are still missing the point. He hasn't put me down. You did. So... what's your point about you putting me down when I'm clearly bigger than you an 50lbs less than you.


Go on....

[ntrllftr]

Your arm is half an inch bigger but you're arms are a lot shorter and you're twice as fat as me! Do the math you at 150 is the equivalent of me at 180

Then get at 180 and let's see what wou wind up with.

[bigvin73]

I find it funny you dis men's physique but this guy is your height and 30lb more muscle mass, clearly he's given up compared to you

http://npcnewsonline.com/mens-physiq...os/43092/mass/

Lets put it on an even playing field man. Your comparing a guy in an NPC show with a guy in 100% natty. You know better then that dude

[ntrllftr]

Lets put it on an even playing field man. Your comparing a guy in an NPC show with a guy in 100% natty. You know better then that dude

naw that's cool cuz... My placings as a natty is in NPC and other non tested shows.

[azstrengthcoach]

You are still missing the point. He hasn't put me down. You did. So... what's your point about you putting me down when I'm clearly bigger than you an 50lbs less than you.


Go on....

I tell you what, ill be about 190lbs on stage for my next show, which is the equivalent of your being 170 on stage, once you get to 170 on stage get back to me.

[azstrengthcoach]

Lets put it on an even playing field man. Your comparing a guy in an NPC show with a guy in 100% natty. You know better then that dude

My TRT is to get me back to normal levels lets not compare me to a guy taking 800mg of test. Again when he's north of 160 on stage he can get back to me

[azstrengthcoach]

Then get at 180 and let's see what wou wind up with.

No thanks I'm good being 200 and half your body fat

[ntrllftr]

I tell you what, ill be about 190lbs on stage for my next show, which is the equivalent of your being 170 on stage, once you get to 170 on stage get back to me.

I'm already.... My size is already bigger and I'm not on TRT or anything. So, if I do get to 170 wouldn't I be even that much bigger?
Your college degree really didn't help you in physics and stuff.

[ntrllftr]

No thanks I'm good being 200 and half your body fat

Someone told me that you were training them and they took a video of you teaching them an exercise. Is this you?.....

[mslman71]

Someone told me that you were training them and they took a video of you teaching them an exercise. Is this you?.....

Did they say astronaut training?

[azstrengthcoach]

I'm already.... My size is already bigger and I'm not on TRT or anything. So, if I do get to 170 wouldn't I be even that much bigger?
Your college degree really didn't help you in physics and stuff.

Sigh, you're not bigger than me in any way you're just fatter. Again when you're 170 on stage get back to me until then enjoy stepping on stage at the same weight as my 12 year old nephew

[azstrengthcoach]

Someone told me that you were training them and they took a video of you teaching them an exercise. Is this you?.....

No I was busy teaching people how to weigh a whopping 125lbs on stage

[ntrllftr]

Sigh, you're not bigger than me in any way you're just fatter. Again when you're 170 on stage get back to me until then enjoy stepping on stage at the same weight as my 12 year old nephew

Isn't that the same as you being 220 stage ready? You keep going backwards while I go forwards. You are looking like a fool. If I were you, I would stop while you are are at.

[Gift3d]

Outside of a few medical conditions, Keto diets are not have any real benefit in the healthy individual.

says your personal opinion? keto is a great way to cut

[ntrllftr]

says your personal opinion? keto is a great way to cut

Yeah, it's his personal opinion. How the hell did you find yer whey in here????

[bigvin73]

My TRT is to get me back to normal levels lets not compare me to a guy taking 800mg of test. Again when he's north of 160 on stage he can get back to me

If memory serves me you were on over 200mg a week so you stated in a closed thread and going to some age clinic doctor (wish I could get it myself) so chances are your on hgh as well. Btw 200mg a week isn't TRT