Phil lookin a bit like...Levrone?

[mbamboocha112]

Phil destroying..bla bla...don't be hasty my friend..Levrone was one of the best bodybuilders and hold his own against Dorian and Ronnie .

[flangmasterj]

Levrone was one of the best bodybuilders and hold his own against Dorian and Ronnie .

Yeah but Phil would still beat him.

[mbamboocha112]

Yeah but Phil would still beat him.

true..but not destroy...however young version of Levrone beats a younger Phil...Levrone was really really good but he got some injuries and after that his progress wasn't the same ...like he didn't had that drive in him...Phil on the other hand kept gettin better and better.

[AD337]

No doubt about it, Phil has him beat on stage..


BUTTTT !!! *** I would prefer to look like a prime Levrone just because wow I mean I don't think it gets any more ideal in my mind as to how I wish I could look.. I know 99 wasn't his best, but for example that video where its like a day or so out from the oympia in 99 and he poses outside of super market.. I would just be in heaven at all times if I looked like that haha !!

yet, I mean idkkk.. looking like a prime Phil (which IMO was 2011 Olympia weekend) wouldn't be so bead either lmao

[Canuck77]

Yeah phil would beat kevin.

Also, using pictures from 02? Seriously?



Somwhere in that mess you said kevin never brought a complete package... a usual generic statement and pretty uninformative thing to say. Look at his physique at the 94 and 95 olympias, the 96 arnold, and in 99. Very balanced. It isn't a case that he got beat because he was always off, when he was on he was beaten by better bbers, simple as that. People say he had no back and legs because he got beat by 2 guys who had the best back and legs... makes sense.

What I meant was that he had big quads in his early years and a somewhat weak back, then in his latter career he brought his back up but his quads were not as big as they were in his early career. So what I was getting at was that if he was able to maintain his quads/legs from his early career while bringing his back up he would have been a force to reckon with.

Perhaps I did not communicate my thoughts clearly, I wasn't trying to say he was never on, just that his legs were quite big in his early days and they got smaller in his latter days and vice versa with his back, if he could have put it all together, he would have been even more epic. I still think he brought amazing packages to the stage throughout the 90's regardless. It's like I am critiquing a win...sorry for the confusion and yes, those guys had better back and legs than Kevin, no doubt. You're definitely right about that. Again, this is all just my personal opinion.

[FAN0FdaSport]

No doubt about it, Phil has him beat on stage..


BUTTTT !!! *** I would prefer to look like a prime Levrone just because wow I mean I don't think it gets any more ideal in my mind as to how I wish I could look.. I know 99 wasn't his best, but for example that video where its like a day or so out from the oympia in 99 and he poses outside of super market.. I would just be in heaven at all times if I looked like that haha !!

yet, I mean idkkk.. looking like a prime Phil (which IMO was 2011 Olympia weekend) wouldn't be so bead either lmao

so much this lol

[BLUETEA]

holy mother of god

[masthead716]

No doubt about it, Phil has him beat on stage..


BUTTTT !!! *** I would prefer to look like a prime Levrone just because wow I mean I don't think it gets any more ideal in my mind as to how I wish I could look.. I know 99 wasn't his best, but for example that video where its like a day or so out from the oympia in 99 and he poses outside of super market.. I would just be in heaven at all times if I looked like that haha !!

yet, I mean idkkk.. looking like a prime Phil (which IMO was 2011 Olympia weekend) wouldn't be so bead either lmao

Looking like a 2010 Arnold Classic Phil would be sick...This version of him is unreal.



Sweet baby Jesus...

[DOC]

levrone is boss, but i always thought he had a weak back and legs(from the back especially)

only thing levrone has on phil is shoulders.

[ZBlacktt]

These are always fun threads. Both are obviously in the elite of the sport throughout history. But only Kevin can say he beat the GOAT many times in his career. We know Phil could have done the 2006 and the 2007 Mr O. But even then that was long past Ronnie's run. When you look below, we see just how many times these two showed up on stage together before Ronnie took over the sport.

Ronnie:

1997 IFBB Arnold Classic -- 4th
1997 IFBB Grand Prix Czech Republic -- 4th
1997 IFBB Grand Prix England -- 5th
1997 IFBB Grand Prix Finland -- 3rd
1997 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 5th
1997 IFBB Grand Prix Hungary -- 6th
1997 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 1st
1997 IFBB Grand Prix Spain --7th
1997 IFBB Ironman Pro Invitational -- 3rd
1997 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 9th
1997 IFBB San Jose Pro Invitational -- 6th
1996 IFBB Grand Prix England -- 5th
1996 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 5th
1996 IFBB Grand Prix Spain -- 5th
1996 IFBB Night of Champions -- 2nd
1996 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 6th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Russia -- 6th
1995 IFBB Grand Prix Ukraine -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Night of Champions -- 3rd
1995 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 11th
1994 IFBB Mr. Olympia -- 15th
1993 IFBB Chicago Pro Invitational -- 6th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix France -- 4th
1993 IFBB Grand Prix Germany -- 6th
1993 IFBB Niagara Falls Pro Invitational -- 6th
1991 NPC Nationals -- 4th Heavyweight


Kevin:

1997 Grand Prix Russia 2nd
1997 Grand Prix Spain 1st
1997 Grand Prix Czech Republic 1st
1997 Grand Prix England 1st
1997 Grand Prix Finland 1st
1997 Grand Prix Germany 1st
1997 Grand Prix Hungary 1st
1997 Mr. Olympia 4th
1996 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1996 Grand Prix Czech Republic 2nd
1996 Grand Prix England 4th
1996 Grand Prix Germany 3rd
1996 Grand Prix Switzerland 3rd
1996 Mr. Olympia 4th
1996 San Jose Pro Invitational 1st
1995 Grand Prix England 2nd
1995 Grand Prix Germany 1st
1995 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1994 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic 1st
1994 Grand Prix Germany 2nd
1994 Grand Prix England 2nd
1994 Mr. Olympia 3rd
1993 Mr. Olympia 5th
1992 Mr. Olympia 2nd
1992 Night Of Champions 1st

[mbamboocha112]

^^^^so much that...Levrone's contest history is his visit card as a a bodybuilder...

[Riflemancho]

Levrone...better musclebellies than Heath? and yes he has a wider frame but heath still has him beat on legs and back by a fair margin

Arms/delts are tie, but Levrone has better chest and abs. Anyway, like you said, Heath beats Levrone by far from the back and legs, but.. look Levrone's legs from 1992 and 1993. They have better shape & insertions, they jut weren't developed, same for his back.. lacked thickness, it was wide as fuk and his traps were retarded from any angle.
And finally someone posted early years Levrone pics.
Lol at @DOC saying Levrone had weak back or legs, he had the best back on stage after Dorian/Ray/Coleman. His legs were better than Dorian's too. Levrone obviously has better chest and midsection than Phil its not even debatable.

[brobrahbud]

Looking like a 2010 Arnold Classic Phil would be sick...This version of him is unreal.



Sweet baby Jesus...

i agree i think this was his best showing imo. that conditioning with that size... so sick

[flahexer]

It would be such a classic example of "back wins it".

1996 Levrone, 2011 Phil:



Good bye, Kev.

Now, I say it again: Kev looked great, maybe I'm even one of those guys who'd rather look like Levrone than Phil. But people, PEOPLE! It's not even close. Look at that back (Mr.Olympia 2000):



You can argue everything you want about the front and side poses (although Levrone actually does not nearly have the legs to hang with guys like Ronnie, Phil, Kai, Dorian or others), but he gets pretty much sent home from the rear, particularly in the BDB.

He wasn't always robbed with his Mr.O placings, actually I think his nice flow and balance from the front were already taken into account and the reason for him placing so well. It's not like he placed "bad" (brb 2nd place at the Mr.O is a bad placing) despite being very complete + owning the hand clasped most muscular. It's just that he wasn't as complete as others.

[DOC]

Arms/delts are tie, but Levrone has better chest and abs. Anyway, like you said, Heath beats Levrone by far from the back and legs, but.. look Levrone's legs from 1992 and 1993. They have better shape & insertions, they jut weren't developed, same for his back.. lacked thickness, it was wide as fuk and his traps were retarded from any angle.
And finally someone posted early years Levrone pics.
Lol at @DOC saying Levrone had weak back or legs, he had the best back on stage after Dorian/Ray/Coleman. His legs were better than Dorian's too. Levrone obviously has better chest and midsection than Phil its not even debatable.

yep amazing back and legs on levrone, just amazing, dont get me wrong when i said weak im mean for a top 5 guy and compared to the rest of him im still a huge levrone fan but call a spade a spade.

[BigDaddyCoolPR]

It's going to be really interesting to see Phil Heath's physique when muscle maturity kicks in.

[lancs_hotpot]

Ive always said levrones back was a weak point but im pretty sure ive seen vids where he has a much better back than the pics posted. Maybe the british grand prix? Or the routine where he poses to the gay hero song.

[FlabbyAndSick]

Leverone looks more badass.

Phil usually has some goofy herp derp face on in a lot of his poses.

[Tony_Ulibarri]

Levrone has better delts/traps and has broader shoulders. Heath has better arms and overall quality of physique.

[Riflemancho]

yep amazing back and legs on levrone, just amazing, dont get me wrong when i said weak im mean for a top 5 guy and compared to the rest of him im still a huge levrone fan but call a spade a spade.

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He has better legs than Flex in that show, and also has a muuuuch better RLS. By your logic, Flex's back is weak too.

[RoroCwalker]

^ What's with Wheeler's calves? synthol?

[BartPimpson]

I think Kevin is the least essential member of the 90s Triple Threat. Still amazing, but none of his shows really stand out to me they way Flex Wheeler did in 1993, for example.

^ What's with Wheeler's calves? synthol?

Cancers. I can't believe they let the poor man compete in that state. The IFBB needs to start a medical fund.

[Riflemancho]

I think Kevin is the least essential member of the 90s Triple Threat. Still amazing, but none of his shows really stand out to me they way Flex Wheeler did in 1993, for example.



Cancers. I can't believe they let the poor man compete in that state. The IFBB needs to start a medical fund.

Bad signature bro. And the one who truly standed out of the three was Kevin. Shawn ray was in Kevin and Flex's shadows.

[AD337]

Looking like a 2010 Arnold Classic Phil would be sick...This version of him is unreal.


Sweet baby Jesus...

nice call, I thought of mentioning this version as well.. haha couldnt decide which Id rather "look like"

[FAN0FdaSport]

I think Kevin is the least essential member of the 90s Triple Threat. Still amazing, but none of his shows really stand out to me they way Flex Wheeler did in 1993, for example.



Cancers. I can't believe they let the poor man compete in that state. The IFBB needs to start a medical fund.

if you think dorian should have lost in 93 and 94, you might as well give it to kevin in 95...

[Canuck77]

Kevin won 22 IFBB Pro shows, Ronnie Coleman was/is the only one with more IFBB Pro Wins at 25.

IMHO, the triple threat of the 90's was Levrone>Flex>Ray. Flex definitely had his spotlight and fair share of wins/shows, don't get me wrong, but if you look at the wins and are talking about their careers as a whole...that's how I personally see it.

Levrone told FLEX in May 1999 that his long-term goal was to win 20 pro shows – he met that goal and managed top five in all events except for two (once in 1997 and 2003).

No one who has competed in 50 IFBB pro events comes close to his feat of top three placings in that number of contests. Not bad for someone who famously took it easy for long stretches of the offseason, putting training intensity on the back burner as he allowed his body to recover.

I think Phil has 7 or 8 IFBB Pro wins, but IMHO the Sheru is a BS contest and cash grab that will always gift the top O placings. Nonetheless, Phil will have his fair share of wins, will he exceed Kevin and Ronnie in overall IFBB contest wins, imho, probably not but history remains to be written.

Phil is still young at 33 no doubt and already has 2 Sandow's, but Kevin also retired at 37...

[stealth_swimmer]

Levrone has better delts/traps and has broader shoulders. Heath has better arms and overall quality of physique.

eh...*bigger* delts and traps, but not better, imo. Phil's delts are just as round but much more separated/striated.

[Riflemancho]

eh...*bigger* delts and traps, but not better, imo. Phil's delts are just as round but much more separated/striated.

Wtf are u talking about? Levrone's traps >>>>>>> Phil's. Also on delts & arms everyone has diffrent opinion, but the fact is that both Levrone and Phil have one of the best ever.

[stealth_swimmer]

Wtf are u talking about? Levrone's traps >>>>>>> Phil's. Also on delts & arms everyone has diffrent opinion, but the fact is that both Levrone and Phil have one of the best ever.

Was mainly speaking of his delts.

[Canuck77]

Levro wins on Delts and Phil wins on Arms - *as a whole - but I would also have Kev for the delt and tricep tie in...if that makes sense...lol...imho...