End of cut / any of you DID not want to bulk?

[godsamurai]

used to be super shredded, unfortunately didn't take picture during that time. I was about 24 yrs old back then. Had similar responses and attention as OP did. Looked kinda bad on the T-shirt but if I think about it now, I think I was over sensitive.

If girls give you better feedback than guys who negatively comment about your size, ignore the fukin guys and stay lean unless you are homo.

Nothing wrong with staying small, defined muscle looks a lot better than people who look fukin fat who might have more muscle than you.

Go ahead and get that 155pds and see if you would be satisfied with it. If you get bored, then u can always bulk up later.

[HunterCML]

You gotta factor in about 10 lbs per inch of height difference. So 150s for you would be like 130 for him, and 110 for me. But I do agree with you. Some fat gain is essential to reach your potential. But you never have to get so fat that you don't look like a bodybuilder any more. 15% is a good ceiling. Most people with a decent base will still have a couple lines on the stomach and waists under 33 inches.

I agree, except for maybe the "15%" number. No, you don't have to get fat. But "fat" in the bodybuilding community is different from the real world. Being 18% bodyfat in order to get your strength and LBM up a bit more could be the difference between spinning your wheels and putting on some solid weight.

Then again I'm more of a powerlifter than a bodybuilder. To me it's about the iron. And I couldn't pull the numbers I can right now at 12-15% BF.

[ParsonBrown]

I agree, except for maybe the "15%" number. No, you don't have to get fat. But "fat" in the bodybuilding community is different from the real world. Being 18% bodyfat in order to get your strength and LBM up a bit more could be the difference between spinning your wheels and putting on some solid weight.

Then again I'm more of a powerlifter than a bodybuilder. To me it's about the iron. And I couldn't pull the numbers I can right now at 12-15% BF.

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[MAX.MAREK]

Now I am a little confused: I am so motivated that I want to cut down to 155lb or even 153lb (my lowest ever was 153lb). My abs are defined, but they could get more defined as I still have slight fat on my stomach.

skinny guy with abs is like a fat chick with bigboobs; it doesn't count. your 5'11"........you should be close to 180-200lbs with abs. build some more muscle.

[koatliki]

5'11" at 158lbs.....

Have you ever bulked properly? A 5'11" frame should be relatively lean at 180lbs after a few proper bulk/cut cycles and proper diet/lifting routine.

When I was in the 150s I was emaciated. Two years later and I'm fairly lean at 200lbs (32" jeans and vascular). I would never want to be 150s again ever, and I would venture to say with my LBM it wouldn't be possible.

Bulk to 200lbs. TBH, it's the guys afraid of putting on fat that never see their potential. A buddy of mine plays football and is your height. He's lean as hell at 205lbs and wants to be 240s and lean by the end of his senior year of college. This is probably impossible without some kind of drugs, but he's already way ahead of the game at 19 years old.

Yeah, I bulked twice to 180lb: from my experience it is easier to retain strength and muscle on a cut then grow strength/muscle on a bulk: not sure what I am doing wrong.

Your buddy is lean as hell at 205lb?? Fuark... I have never even been over 187lb. And yeah you're 6'1 and I am 5'11"

used to be super shredded, unfortunately didn't take picture during that time. I was about 24 yrs old back then. Had similar responses and attention as OP did. Looked kinda bad on the T-shirt but if I think about it now, I think I was over sensitive.

If girls give you better feedback than guys who negatively comment about your size, ignore the fukin guys and stay lean unless you are homo.

Nothing wrong with staying small, defined muscle looks a lot better than people who look fukin fat who might have more muscle than you.

Go ahead and get that 155pds and see if you would be satisfied with it. If you get bored, then u can always bulk up later.

I hear you: i wouldn't even say I look bad in a t-shirt: if it is form-fitting it looks good. Now in formal long-sleeved shirt you can't even tell if I lift.

Anyway, I will cut down couple lb and then go on a slow bulk for 3 months.

[x2lvlarcher]

To be honest 5 years from now I want to look like this guy:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...WTeOKpZVqUVU8H
Although most people would rather me look like this guy:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...lOMOspmlXMWSn5

I rather look bulkie... working on that than look clean and cut like most people on this site that i've seen.

[koatliki]

To be honest 5 years from now I want to look like this guy:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...WTeOKpZVqUVU8H
Although most people would rather me look like this guy:
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...lOMOspmlXMWSn5

I rather look bulkie... working on that than look clean and cut like most people on this site that i've seen.

I guess people's goals are different, but I find the first guy to be pretty fat. To be honest being fat and strong takes less effort than being ripped and strong. My main goal in lifting is health and aesthetics (and by aesthetics I mean to be more attractive to females, not male powerlifters or misc'ers). Second guy looks even smaller than I do now.

My perfect body would be this (I think this dude is like 40 on that pic):



His profile: http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/timberwolf/

[x2lvlarcher]

Indeed everyone has different goals and plans for their future body appearance.
I was once a 320 pound FAT boy... from 15 to 22 years old I weighed between 280 to 320.
I like the first one because having such a low bodyfat percent in the research I have done causes you to feel like you are constantly starving not sure how true this may be though as in research differs and n does not equal 1.

I also understand being fat and strong is a lot easier than being ripped and strong. As you said personal preference my wife would rather be happy whichever route I take.

[ParsonBrown]

I guess people's goals are different, but I find the first guy to be pretty fat. To be honest being fat and strong takes less effort than being ripped and strong. My main goal in lifting is health and aesthetics (and by aesthetics I mean to be more attractive to females, not male powerlifters or misc'ers). Second guy looks even smaller than I do now.

First guy is Derek Poundstone....one of the strongest men on the planet. A little google search will show he get's pretty shredded at times too. He just weighs 275lbs when he does it

[x2lvlarcher]

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...Uyd3z75gzOv2Wg

[koatliki]

First guy is Derek Poundstone....one of the strongest men on the planet. A little google search will show he get's pretty shredded at times too. He just weighs 275lbs when he does it

Oh, that's cool I am sure he is super strong: it is just not my goal.

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/i...Uyd3z75gzOv2Wg

He def looks better here

[x2lvlarcher]

Yea that's what one of his cuts looked like.
I have a whole 10 or so years of lifting ahead of me to even get near that body... doubt I can seriously pull it off without supplements but I am trying and won't give up till I have the first picture at least.

[TBU720]

Nobody says you have to want a ton of muscle. Just approach your new diet as a sort of "mega slow" bulk. Just remember that even if you gain as low as 1 pound a month that is 12 lbs of muscle in a year. 12 lbs is a huge amount of tissue.

EDIT: Fuuuuuuuu*k..........I knew that picture was timberwolf before I even looked at the bodyspace. time to go outside

[Dexter3000]

OP, I mean no disrespect but in all honestly I don't think you'll ever find true satisfaction in your body's appearance if you're constantly looking for external validation and appreciation. Of course I understand your point of view but my advice would be to try and look into yourself and find your TRUE motivation for being healthy and looking good.

Then, I would say, do only that which makes you the happiest. If you want to be 150 and lean, go for it. If you want 160 and lean, do that. There are as many people in the world as there are different opinions on what looks good on you, so do what you like yourself. I think deep inside you already know.

Also, this is a body building forum. The same question amongst other oriented people will probably give different feedback. Just a reminder.

If you want long term happiness with regards to your body and aesthetics, go for what you really want deep inside as this will make you feel better which will impress the girls more than 5-10 more or less pounds of meat.

Godspeed OP.

[koatliki]

OP, I mean no disrespect but in all honestly I don't think you'll ever find true satisfaction in your body's appearance if you're constantly looking for external validation and appreciation. Of course I understand your point of view but my advice would be to try and look into yourself and find your TRUE motivation for being healthy and looking good.

Then, I would say, do only that which makes you the happiest. If you want to be 150 and lean, go for it. If you want 160 and lean, do that. There are as many people in the world as there are different opinions on what looks good on you, so do what you like yourself. I think deep inside you already know.

Also, this is a body building forum. The same question amongst other oriented people will probably give different feedback. Just a reminder.

If you want long term happiness with regards to your body and aesthetics, go for what you really want deep inside as this will make you feel better which will impress the girls more than 5-10 more or less pounds of meat.

Godspeed OP.

Ummm, I am already satisfied with my body, but I will never try to stop improving it. I already decided on a slow bulk anyway.

I think almost anyone who says they don't care about external validation/appreciation is lying. It is like a girl saying she wears make up "for herself" yet always puts it on before she leaves the house

[Dexter3000]

Ummm, I am already satisfied with my body, but I will never try to stop improving it. I already decided on a slow bulk anyway.

I think almost anyone who says they don't care about external validation/appreciation is lying. It is like a girl saying she wears make up "for herself" yet always puts it on before she leaves the house

I didn't say you shouldn't care about external appreciation, of course that's completely normal. My point is that the nr. 1 motivator of your efforts to build your body should be to make yourself happy. I think that for moments where you doubt about what to do next, it can be helpful to just take a moment to reflect on this and stay close to yourself.

[MAX.MAREK]

My perfect body would be this (I think this dude is like 40 on that pic):



His profile: http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/timberwolf/

and do you think he got that way by just cutting/get skinny? no. he trained his tail off, gain muscle (a good amount), then dieted down to show off his hard work. think you should do the same.