Misc Firearms Crew VI: Shh, no shooting... only hoarding now

[Hola Bola]

Thread Rules
Rule 1: Don't come in here to troll or bash firearms owners. You will be swiftly negged in the ass, possibly with a rusty bayonet.
Rule 2: Don't be afraid to ask questions, but do a little research on your own first.
Rule 3: Do not ask what gun you should buy for concealed carry. This question is very difficult to answer as individual needs and preferences vary greatly, and we're all tired of repeating ourselves. If you have your decision down to a couple of guns and want feedback from people who actually carry those specific guns, that is an example of an appropriate question to ask. Also see www.handgunlaw.us for laws by state
Rule 4: DON'T BASH OTHER POSTERS ABOUT THEIR PURCHASES.
Rule 5: Do NOT link to any illegal firearms instructions or sites.


The Four Rules of safe gun handling
1. All guns are always loaded
2. Always keep the muzzle in a safe direction
3. Keep your finger off the trigger until your sites are on the target
4. Know your target and your backstop


Tips for debating with anti-gun individuals
1. Use facts that you can cite whenever possible. Example: http://www.guncite.com/ If they present information as if it is a fact, ask for a cite. If they provide one, investigate it. Often times understanding the source of the information will allow you to discredit it easily. Example: A citation that says gun owners are more likely to be shot, but the citation is based on a study of criminal drug dealers in downtown Philly who illegally carry guns while committing crimes (srs) (had somebody use that in an argument against me once)
2. Always give or request a definition of terms. If somebody uses a term or phrase like "child", "youth", "use", "assault rifle", "assault weapon", "gun violence", etc, find out precisely what that word or term means. Antis love to mislead and deceive by using terms to make things sound different than they really are. Often you can cut them off the knees because they won't even be able to get through a basic definition of terms.
3. Realize the difference between a person whose opinion you can sway (even if you don't change it there, but merely plant the seed) and a person who is absolutely dead set in their opinion. Often you can tell the dead-set type because they completely ignore all facts and evidence that do not support their position, rely on a lot of emotion, and probably react very aggressively when called out on their bullshit. In the latter case, where you cannot change their opinion, it is still a good idea to counter their statements, where their statements are incorrect or misleading, because there will likely be fence sitters who haven't yet made up their mind that are listening in, or who will read the thread/discussion later. It's good not to let rampant bullshit go unchecked.
4. Remember that the Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of American DOES NOT GRANT US THE RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS. The Second Amendment PROTECTS THAT RIGHT FROM INFRINGEMENT. There is a difference. The right is a pre existing natural right (some say it came from God) that is protected from infringement by the government via the 2A.


If you are totally new to firearms, find a basic/entry level class to take locally. Anything that is NRA Basic is a decent place to start. Project Appleseed shoots are a great place to get the fundamentals of rifle marksmanship (www.appleseedinfo.org).

Beware of information from gun store or range employees. Unfortunately the level of advice these guys often offer is similar to what you get from commercial gym's personal trainers. Some of the most asinine advice passes over gun store counters. You have been warned.


Post Pictures! We like gun pr0n.
Post pictures of your guns, your magazines, your ammo, targets, your trips to the range, classes you have attended. Just post pictures!

Examples of pictures that we would like to see:











*credit to Farley1324 for OP layout*

[ChikN10der]

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[stiffdogg06]

in like flynn.

op needs more commie

Shut up and watch:

[simpson54]

in and subbed



saw this and was 'mirin his collection

[samsuperjew]

First page?

[MrSilverback]

In BOOM

My personal gun porn for 1rd Page

[toppedout212]

inn.

looking to get a personal handgun and my license next year, any advice or suggestions on handguns legal for concealed carrying before I apply for everything brahs? State is Massachusetts

[Hardnutcheck]

In.

Will post pics from the range tomorrow

[insomniac23]

1rdstest page

this post brought to by

[LargeWill]

nice!

[hardgainer14]

In on new thread. LPK from PSA finally shipped after getting a confirmation 3 days ago

I will have to wait until Monday to put my lower together.

[JeffB284]

[stiffdogg06]

Relentless, that article never stated he was charged... Did I miss something?

[proconsul]

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The Ban.

[hutch1999]

in4 strong 1rd post in new thread


Well lots of news on the IL front, inb4 tldr

Clifs:
Well the Chicago State Senate Mafia defined the weapons in the amendments to the bills. The bills themselves have absolutely nothing to do with firearms. The original bills HB1263 involves sexual assault of a minor and HB815 involved Nuclear plant safety. They now each have amendments that involve firearms. These are the worst bills against guns I have ever personally witnessed in my 23 year history. The new state amendments bans the sale, possession, and transfer or all modern semi-auto weapons, attachments, and magazines over 10rds. It also requires registry with the state for both the weapons and magazines. Failure to register in a specific time period results in a felony offense...

The list and descriptions of weapons from amendment 5 of hb1263

Sec. 24-1.9. Possession, delivery, sale, and purchase of
5 semi-automatic assault weapons, assault weapon attachments,
6 .50 caliber rifles, and .50 caliber cartridges.
7 (a) Definitions. In this Section:
8 (1) "Semi-automatic assault weapon" means:
9 (A) any of the firearms or types, replicas, or
10 duplicates in any caliber of the firearms, known as:
11 (i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies
12 Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
13 (ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries
14 UZI and Galil;
15 (iii) Beretta AR-70 (SC-70);
16 (iv) Colt AR-15;
17 (v) Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and
18 FNC;
19 (vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
20 (vii) Steyr AUG;
21 (viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, and TEC-22;
22 and
23 (ix) any shotgun which contains its ammunition
24 in a revolving cylinder, such as (but not limited




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1 to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12;
2 (B) a semi-automatic rifle or pump-action rifle
3 that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and
4 has any of the following:
5 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
6 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
7 (iii) a shroud that is attached to, or
8 partially or completely encircles the barrel, and
9 that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with
10 the non-trigger hand without being burned;
11 (C) a semi-automatic pistol that has an ability to
12 accept a detachable magazine and has any of the
13 following:
14 (i) a folding, telescoping, or thumbhole
15 stock;
16 (ii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially
17 or completely encircles the barrel, and that
18 permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the
19 non-trigger hand without being burned;
20 (iii) an ammunition magazine that attaches to
21 the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
22 (iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more
23 when the pistol is unloaded; or
24 (v) a semi-automatic version of an automatic
25 firearm;
26 (C-1) a semi-automatic rifle or pistol with a fixed




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1 magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10
2 rounds of ammunition;
3 (C-2) a semi-automatic rifle or a pistol with the
4 capacity to accept a detachable magazine, a muzzle
5 brake, or muzzle compensator;
6 (D) a semi-automatic shotgun that has any of the
7 following:
8 (i) a folding or telescoping stock;
9 (ii) a pistol grip or thumbhole stock;
10 (iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5
11 rounds; or
12 (iv) an ability to accept a detachable
13 magazine.
14 "Semi-automatic assault weapon" does not
15 include:
16 (A) any firearm that:
17 (i) is manually operated by bolt, pump, lever,
18 or slide action;
19 (ii) is an unserviceable firearm or has been
20 made permanently inoperable, as defined by 27
21 C.F.R. 478.11;
22 (iii) is an antique firearm; or
23 (iv) is a rifle with a fixed tubular magazine
24 located under the barrel that is only capable of
25 holding rounds of ammunition placed end to end;
26 (B) any air rifle as defined in Section 24.8-0.1 of




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1 this Code.
2 For the purposes of this Section, a firearm is considered
3 to have the ability to accept a detachable magazine unless the
4 magazine or ammunition feeding device can only be removed
5 through disassembly of the firearm action.
6 (2) "Assault weapon attachment" means any device
7 capable of being attached to a firearm that is specifically
8 designed for, or when installed will have the effect of,
9 making or converting a firearm into any of the firearms
10 listed in paragraph (1) of subsection (a) of this Section.
11 (3) "Antique firearm" has the meaning ascribed to it in
12 18 U.S.C. Section 921 (a)(16).
13 (4) ".50 caliber rifle" means a centerfire rifle
14 capable of firing a .50 caliber cartridge. The term does
15 not include any antique firearm as defined in 18 U.S.C.
16 Section 921 (a)(16), any shotgun including a shotgun that
17 has a rifle barrel, or any muzzle loading rifle or shotgun
18 which is designed to use black powder, or a black powder
19 substitute, and which cannot use fixed ammunition.
20 (5) ".50 caliber cartridge" means a cartridge in .50
21 BMG caliber, as defined by the North Atlantic Treaty
22 Organization's Standardization Agreement 4383, either by
23 designation or actual measurement, that is capable of being
24 fired from a centerfire rifle. The term ".50 caliber
25 cartridge" does not include any memorabilia or display item
26 that is filled with a permanent inert substance or that is




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1 otherwise permanently altered in a manner that prevents
2 ready modification for use as live ammunition or shotgun
3 ammunition with a caliber measurement that is equal to or
4 greater than .50 caliber.
5 (6) "Pistol grip" includes any feature of a rifle,
6 shotgun, or pistol capable of functioning as a protruding
7 grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand.
8 (b) Except as provided in subsections (c) and (d), 90 days
9 after January 1, 2014, it is unlawful for any person within
10 this State to knowingly deliver, sell, purchase, or possess or
11 cause to be delivered, sold, purchased, or possessed, directly
12 or indirectly, a semi-automatic assault weapon, an assault
13 weapon attachment, any .50 caliber rifle, or .50 caliber
14 cartridge.

Bold was the worst part imo (besides the mandatory registration with ISP), any semi auto with detachable magazines and a hand guard on the barrel... That's almost every semi auto rifle including things like my 10-22...

Also any semi auto version of a full auto weapon... This will most likely include Glocks due to the Glock 18....

This is upsetting bruhs...

I'm going to keep spinning my wheels and hopefully this gets stopped today.

Well I've contacted a senator, and signed witness slips against both HB1263 and HB815....



edit: hearsay on ******** just claimed that they will be doing background checks on all those that filled witness slips, then invoicing us, I hope that's not true...

[jj00ee]

went to the range for the first time the other day

enjoyed myself

shot a .357 revolver, was kinda sketch

i think i might prefer rifles tbh

[xXBrutalXx]

In on 1st page

[Damien1990]

lol i'm digging the title, its to true. Wrote my representative again still no responses yet.

[FitStick]

In on new thread.

Damn that last one was the fasted one yet.

[ABSPR]

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edit: updated porn

[tmac2206]

inn.

looking to get a personal handgun and my license next year, any advice or suggestions on handguns legal for concealed carrying before I apply for everything brahs? State is Massachusetts

Glock 19 or 26

[xITHYPHALLIC]

In on first page.

[BlondeRod]

Should I buy 1000nd Rounds of .223 for $350? Srs.
They have it in stock

[WreckEmTT]

aw yeah

[DennisR1977]

In on commie thread.

[WYOStateOfMind]

Go Broncos

[Nic70707]

woop

[R3L3NTL3SS]

Relentless, that article never stated he was charged... Did I miss something?

Ah, I read it fast and got the names messed up. It appears you're correct. I guess gun laws are to only be abided by us "regular" citizens.

Edit: In on page 1.

[stiffdogg06]

Should I buy 1000nd Rounds of .223 for $350? Srs.
They have it in stock

No, cause you haven't supplied me with a link.

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The Ban.

[MrSilverback]

Should I buy 1000nd Rounds of .223 for $350? Srs.
They have it in stock

Brand and specs please.

Could be 1000 rds. of Vietname era surplus that's been sitting in a basement flooded from Hurricane Sandy.