Product write up: http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/be...d-stunner.html
Thanks to Betancout and Tatteredsaint for letting my try this stuff out. Looks very promising as I search for a Craze alternate that helps in the focus department. I would love nothing more to find another potent product that is different than Craze yet performs in much the same manner and might be better in some aspects. There are a lot of good Pre's out there with great formulations but can't give me the tunnel vision I seek.
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12-10-2012, 12:58 PM #1
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Betancout Nutrition D-Stunner log by a Craze junkie
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12-10-2012, 02:29 PM #2
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subbed , just a heads up thats the worng ingredient panel brochacho thei product doesn't contain 1,3 dimeth but the other pics are good to go
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12-17-2012, 07:25 AM #8
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Back's feeling good. I should be back at the weights Wed.
Is this supplement effective for cardio only use? I think w/ basketball starting on Tues nights Monday and Tues will be cardio days for me.
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12-18-2012, 05:54 AM #10
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Days 1 & 2 - Cardio
Day 1
took a scoop at 4:00 PM.
Workout: Did some moderate interval training. Just trying to get back into things at a sensible level after being out a bit w/ a strained back. I'm going to take a smart approach with this for awhile.
Taste: 7
--Reminded me of these [http://savingbythesea.com/wp-content.../12/sweet.jpg]
I'm not a huge fan of tart tasting stuff. But I think I make it worse by refusing to want to add too much water to it as I don't want to have to piss in the middle of a workout haha. i have a small bladder
Focus: 7
--It wasn't earth shattering but it def helped. I wasn't completely like zoned in liked I'd hoped to be but it's always a grind doing cardio in Dec.
Energy: 8
Felt pretty good energy wise. I didn't feel too jacked up nor did it have a negative impact on my cardio session.
Mood: 8
I found myself in a pretty decent mood w/o that euphoric feeling that you get from craze. But I was pretty happy and felt like reaching out and being more active in talking to the people around me.
Crash: I didn't experience a crash that I'm aware of. I went to bed shortly after 9 and watched some TV before passing out. I slept pretty decently, meds induced, but good enough to get up early and hit it again.
Mix-ability: 9
Like everyone my tub was filled w/ clumps of product. It easily separated and mixed just fine. Therer were 2 scoopers in there....I remember someone mentioning the same and I'm not certain which one I'm suppose to be using?? I used the big'n Either way I will not comment on the mix-ability of this product unless something changes.
Cliffs:
Not a bad first experience. It wasn't anything out of the ordinary but I def noticed a slight bit of focus and energy increase. The mood aspect was a nice get. I like when I can take something and it makes me happy and more productive. I almost decided to do some stuff around the house...almost.Last edited by redbirdfan1; 12-18-2012 at 06:03 AM.
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12-18-2012, 06:02 AM #11
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Day 2
Workout : Did some moderate interval training.
1 scoop at 06:00 this morning fasted.
Taste: 7
Focus: 8
Today I felt more focused and felt like I wanted to do more but ran out of time. Still have motivation to do stuff, hence catch up on this log as the clock strikes 8.
Energy: 8
Energy is good. I still feel good and energized. Not jittery.
Mood: 8
Nothing much different to report from yesterday's notes.
Crash:
no crash. felt great all day all the way into and thru my basketball game later that evening.
Cliffs:
I def liked this a little more in a fasted state. Everything hit a little harder and makes me wish I had the time to weight train in the mornings...well I could but I don't want to wake up at 0500! Anyway we'll see how it goes the rest of the morning and I can better gauge the come down.
Edit: had a great day and was in a good mood all day.Last edited by redbirdfan1; 12-19-2012 at 11:37 AM.
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12-18-2012, 02:58 PM #12
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good feedback bro , u still at 1 scoop ? 1.5 is the sweet spot for me but I don't dare go over that lol
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12-19-2012, 05:40 AM #13
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Let me catch this up. Cold weather plus new equipment means busy schedule.
Day 3
Workout: Chest
1.5 scoops @ 4:00
Taste: 7
Energy: 6
Little disappointed. This hit me hard at first and was really energized, but that quickly dropped off 15-20 minutes later. After that it wasn't much to speak of on that front.
Focus: 7
Like the energy component it hit hard at first and quickly dropped off. It just didn't drop off nearly as much and it stayed around a 7 which is my bottom limit of what I consider effective for evening workouts.
Mood: 7
Nothing new to report on this front.
Strength: 7
It was my first day lifting in a couple weeks. I had to adjust my routine to compensate for the lower back just so I didn't strain it again. I hate the word by I find that the better my energy and focus, the better synergy w/ the strength. Having been off I expect a slight regression in my bench and I was correct. It wasn't much but I'd hoped I wouldn't even notice it. The good news was I was able to keep my lifts up throughout the workout and push through each exercise and set. With the energy a bit low, it would have been easy to talk myself out of staying as long or doing as much but I actually got quite a bit done when it was all over with.
I'm doing a modified 5-3-1 program. I'll keep track of my measurable here.
Bench 5 x5's
warmup- 135
set 1- 175
set 2- 185
set 3- 195
set 4- 205
set 5- 205
Crash: 8
again no real crash to speak of. if there was any it was right away but it wasn't a bad crash. it was just a quick burst and then it quickly fell away w/o any negative sides.
Conclusion: I'm on the fence on whether or not to use this for weights. I really enjoy it in the mornings for cardio. I might give it another go on Wed after Xmas on chest day again to give it a comparison. But the initial thoughts for me personally are that this works better for me for HIIT fasted in the mornings.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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12-26-2012, 07:37 AM #16
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Day 4
Workout: HIIT morning fasted
1.5 scoops @ 6AM
Energy: 8
Felt very good and clean.
Focus: 8
Got myself dialed in and ready to do this and to push myself.
Mood: 9
Felt very upbeat and ready to take on the day.
Crash: 10
Excellent. I did not need or take anything else till my evening workout.
Conclusion:
Once again this shined in my cardio routine. I'm not sure why I experience more of an effect. Is it because it's morning and fasted? I'm sure that's a big part of it, but not everything I've used for morning workouts of any kind worked as well as this has for cardio or weights in the morning. I've done the fasted cardio and also lifted in the morning before and it was almost always a tough grind to get through it. This has done the job better than others I've used for this purpose. I'm not going to use it tonight on my leg night.
My day went great as I felt good and productive. It was nice to feel energy and focused on work and not having to reach for the coffee. This was a great non-placebo effect because it was my last day of work till after Christmas. Usually these days are a grind as you're looking ahead and watching the clock.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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12-27-2012, 06:19 AM #17
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Day 5
Workout: Chest
2 scoops @ 4:00
Taste: 7
Energy: 6
ugh. not good. I didn't even get an initial burst. I just felt like crap. 2 scoops was not better than 1.5. I thought maybe a bit more would result in a better weight session. When I got home I was quite shakey for a bit but not too long.
Focus: 6
I barely held it together long enough to get in a basic barebones session and not completely waste my day.
Mood: 6
Little bit down from previous uses. I wasn't in a bad mood. I just didn't feel quite right.
Strength: 7
This was my 2nd time using this w/ weights.
I'm doing a modified 5-3-1 program. I'll keep track of my measurable here.
Bench
warmup- 135
set 1- 185 x 5
set 2- 205 x 5
set 3- 205 x5
set 4- 215 x 3
Crash: 8
didn't really crash. Felt ****ty for awhile which went away after getting some food in me. no worse trouble than normal trying to sleep. I def don't feel as if taking this in the late afternoon would interfere w/ most people's sleep.
Conclusion:
This was my 2nd test with weight training. I had basically 2 weeks off from Craze prior to starting this but I don't know if anything will help like Craze did w/ being able to focus after work and hit the weights. I'm starting to feel like it's a curse and a blessing. Like my body is addicted to it for weights and rejects anything else I try. This is not the first pre I've tried to cycle w/ it. However as I pointed out I like the cardio help this gives me...which I'll log Thurs mornings cardio session.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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12-27-2012, 06:26 AM #18
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Day 64
Workout: HIIT morning fasted
1.5 scoops @ 6AM
Energy: 8
As been the usual I've been able to feel good and energized first thing to knock out a cardio session. Still feeling pretty good 2.5 hrs later.
Focus: 8
I'm still pleased w/ my ability to be able to focus and push my cardio session. getting motivated and energized for cardio 1st thing has never been fun for me and I'm easily able to do this.
Mood: 9
Felt very upbeat and ready to take on the day.
Crash: 10
Excellent. Only 2.5 hrs in but I don't anticipate a crash. I do have coffee I haven't felt like touching yet but if anything changes in this category I'll edit.
Conclusion
Once again this is proving for me to be a better cardio pre compared to a weight training pre. With the fact I'm getting the wife to get up 3 days a week for cardio I def need a pre or energy type thing to help get me moving.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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12-27-2012, 01:47 PM #19
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sometimes taking more is not always better and can cause side effects to outweigh the benefits 1.5 scoops is ideal for either wieght or cardio if someone is experienced enough to handle that much , I think 2 scoops is just too much
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12-28-2012, 06:28 AM #20
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12-31-2012, 06:20 AM #22
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Day 7
Workout: HIIT morning fasted
1.5 scoops @ 6AM
Energy: 8
Perfect pick me up in the morning
Focus: 8
Mood: 9
Crash: 10
Excellent. Only 2.5 hrs in but I don't anticipate a crash. I do have coffee I haven't felt like touching yet but if anything changes in this category I'll edit.
Conclusion
Another good cardio day. Really pushed it and killed it this morning. Really wish I had more time before work cuz I could have easily done a lot longer.
Side note:
Gym is closed tomorrow and starting Wed I have a Super Drill for the Guard thru sunday. There's a chance I'll be able to hit the gym Wed after, but then the rest of the week is 12 hr days.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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01-09-2013, 07:31 AM #24
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haha no. Just had a 5 day drill weekend. long hours so no gym.
Day 8 1.5 scoops @ 6AM
Workout: HIIT morning fasted
Hill intervals on treadmill. Tried something different than normal.
5 min warmup
Part 1 30 sec rests
3% incline 1:00 @ 12mph
4% incline 45 sec @ 12mph
5% incline 30 sec @ 12 mph
6% incline 20 sec @ 12mph
7% incline 10 sec @ 12mph
90 sec walk
Part 2 50 sec rests
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
10% incline 10 sec @ 7 mph
Energy: 8
Focus: 8
Mood: 9
Crash: 10
Conclusion
Kinda rough morning but def had the energy and drive to get thru it.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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01-10-2013, 07:05 AM #26
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ahh well I got out of active duty in 2005...and went into the Guard in 2012. luckily for me my guard weekends aren't too far away.
Day 9 1.5 scoops @ 6AM
Workout: Cardio morning fasted. 40 min of working time.
Another day another new experiment. Today I decided to keep my heart rate in the 160+ range. So I'd do a light jog at an incline...go down to a walk and check my HR and watch it drop to that 160 or 170 mark, and then start back in with the run.
5 min warmup
Did first 20 min at a 5% incline and the last 20 min at a 7%
Energy: 8
Focus: 7
Mood: 8
Crash: 10
Conclusion
I didn't feel bad or beat down this morning. At times my HR would be up in the high 180's to low 190's and I'd vary my restart rate from 160 or 170. Still feeling great.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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01-14-2013, 01:04 PM #27
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Day 11 1.5 scoops @ 6AM
Workout: Cardio morning fasted. 40 min of working time.
Set it at 5% and just varied speeds and rests.
Energy: 8
Focus: 8
Mood: 8
Crash: 10
Conclusion
Love monday morning workouts. Getting back over the setback I had w/ the back a few weeks ago. This is really been a great tool for me to use for cardio. I don't have any negative sides from it or feel crappy like some pre's do w/ cardio.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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So I've got this itch to compete in some form of obstacle racing this yr. I put on some extra weight from my normal Oct-Dec lax on food and cardio but the back injury really set me back because I couldn't even do any lifting. So I've decided that if I'm going to attempt this, mainly had my eyes on the various Spartan's, that I really need to slim back down and cut some of this fat. So i need to up my cardio and adjust my strength training. So today I decided to do a 2 a day cardio. I've noticed playing silly slow ball basketball that my conditioning is nowhere near where it was last yr so I have work to do.
Day 12 1.5 scoops @ 6AM
Workout: Cardio morning fasted. 45min of moderate intervals
Energy: 8
Focus: 8
Mood: 8
Crash: 10
Conclusion
Another good morning of getting in some work. But the real test follows.
1.5 scoops @ 4PM
2 mile run @ 2.5% incline
2 mile bike
Energy: 7
Focus: 7
Mood: 8
Conclusion:
I didn't have the same pep or intensity as the morning sessions but a few variables change. I've had a couple meals and had already did cardio. My mood was good which helped compensate for the slight down tick in energy. I was focused enough to zero in on my goals for that workout. I have a harder time getting energy and intensity in the afternoon so it makes cardio a challenge. Today was a win.02 Operation Enduring Freedom Vet
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01-17-2013, 01:39 PM #30
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dude I have a lot of friends that are heavily into the spartan races , they are brutal but look like fun
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