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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    Of course you can still lose weight but can you really argue that those are "quality" foods? Perhaps you would lose more weight if you were eating better. You don't think the food you eat effects you at all?
    That's not relevant to what the OP is asking.

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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    Of course you can still lose weight but can you really argue that those are "quality" foods? Perhaps you would lose more weight if you were eating better. You don't think the food you eat effects you at all?

    replyin to your pm here since I thought it best to clarify my original post ITT on the subject of clean/dirty foods.

    nahhh, I stay pretty lean these days eating pancakes, steak and chocolate usually. But during a srs cut/contest prep I'd prefer all clean sources, except on cheat days when I'll switch back to iifym. Personal preference. It works best for me that way.
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    Originally Posted by SMASHgym View Post
    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319


    edit: i expect reps for teaching you something so mind blowing and useful (srs)


    Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from your article where you tried to prove me wrong


    It also inhibits lipolysis (the breakdown of fat) and stimulates lipogenesis (the creation of fat).




    You cannot possibly disagree with me. The article you posted in order to disprove my "insulin inhibits fat loss" statement only proved exactly what I said, and what you were arguing with me about.
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    Originally Posted by Sadida76 View Post
    but you're fuking 5'4, 173lb

    it's not that hard to lose weight at 25%
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    replyin to your pm here since I thought it best to clarify my original post ITT on the subject of clean/dirty foods.
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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from your article where you tried to prove me wrong


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    You cannot possibly disagree with me. The article you posted in order to disprove my "insulin inhibits fat loss" only proved exactly what I said, and what you were arguing with me about.
    took it completely out of context like an idiot, keep reading the fkn article




    One misconception regarding a high carbohydrate intake is that it will lead to chronically high insulin levels, meaning you will gain fat because lipogenesis will constantly exceed lipolysis (remember that fat gain can only occur if the rate of lipogenesis exceeds the rate of lipolysis). However, in healthy people, insulin only goes up in response to meals. This means that lipogenesis will only exceed lipolysis during the hours after a meal (known as the postprandial period). During times when you are fasting (such as extended times between meals, or when you are asleep), lipolysis will exceed lipogenesis (meaning you are burning fat). Over a 24-hour period, it will all balance out (assuming your are not consuming more calories than you are expending), meaning you do not gain weight. Here’s a graph showing how this works:

    After meals, fat is deposited with the help of insulin. However, between meals and during sleep, fat is lost. Fat balance will be zero over a 24-hour period if energy intake matches energy expenditure.

    This is just a rough chart that I made, but the green area represents the lipogenesis occuring in response to a meal. The blue area represents lipolysis occuring in response to fasting between meals and during sleep. Over a 24-hour period, these will be balanced assuming you are not consuming more calories than you expend. This is true even if carbohydrate intake is high. In fact, there are populations that consume high carbohydrate diets and do not have high obesity rates, such as the traditional diet of the Okinawans. Also, if energy intake is lower than energy expenditure, a high carbohydrate diet will result in weight loss just as any other diet.
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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    Here is a DIRECT QUOTE from your article where you tried to prove me wrong


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    You cannot possibly disagree with me. The article you posted in order to disprove my "insulin inhibits fat loss" statement only proved exactly what I said, and what you were arguing with me about.
    how bout u read the entire article rather than cherry picking quotes.



    its all about caloric intake.
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    Originally Posted by SMASHgym View Post
    took it completely out of context like an idiot, keep reading the fkn article


    Don't need to - it proved my point.
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    Originally Posted by CharH06 View Post
    how bout u read the entire article rather than cherry picking quotes.



    its all about caloric intake.


    Of course it's all about cal. intake, I'm not arguing with that. Insulin still is not conducive to fat loss though. You can still lose fat, but eating sugar all day isn't going to help you.
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    Originally Posted by CharH06 View Post
    how bout u read the entire article rather than cherry picking quotes.



    its all about caloric intake.
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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    Of course it's all about cal. intake, I'm not arguing with that. Insulin still is not conducive to fat loss though. You can still lose fat, but eating sugar all day isn't going to help you.
    holy crap at your fkn logical fallacy, brb turning "i eat "junk" food and still lose weight" to "eating sugar all day"
    not to mention, i clearly stated a lot of my cals come from the traditional "clean" foods
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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    Of course it's all about cal. intake, I'm not arguing with that. Insulin still is not conducive to fat loss though. You can still lose fat, but eating sugar all day isn't going to help you.
    irrelevant strawman argument.
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    Originally Posted by SMASHgym View Post
    holy crap at your fkn logical fallacy, brb turning "i eat "junk" food and still lose weight" to "eating sugar all day"
    not to mention, i clearly stated a lot of my cals come from the traditional "clean" foods


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    because people are stupid

    calories in
    calories out

    deal with it
    I don't see how they are mutally exclusive. Carbs are the only macro that isn't 100% needed. Your body will turn protein and fat into glucose if it needs to.
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    Originally Posted by AbsOnAbsOnAbs View Post
    Because if you cut out carbs, your body will be forced to burn fat as an energy source.
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    Low carb diet means your body will go into a state known as Ketosis. Meaning your body will start using fat for energy rather than glycogen.
    These have always been my understanding.
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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    So you agree with me yet again.
    nope, i've had a week where i've had nothing but take out (while taking my multi and fish oil) and still lost weight that week. only ate so much take out due to work commitments and being busy as fuuuuuu.
    if you fit your macros, you'll lose/gain weight accordingly
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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    So you agree with me yet again.
    your initial argument was that carbs blunt fat loss due to insulin response. Nobody said have nothing but candy canes and fairy floss all day.
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    Originally Posted by CharH06 View Post
    Nobody said have nothing but candy canes and fairy floss all day.

    But IIFYM bro, that is exactly what you are saying
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    Would love for Jizzman to post in the nutrition section about this theory.

    We don't remember this thread?

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...7267153&page=1
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    Originally Posted by Ninetysix View Post
    Would love for Jizzman to post in the nutrition section about this theory.


    There is no theory. All I stated was that high levels of insulin can inhibit fat burning (which my detractors have agreed is true). I actually agree that in theory IIFYM works - I just don't believe all food is created equally.
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    Originally Posted by Ninetysix View Post
    Would love for Jizzman to post in the nutrition section about this theory.

    We don't remember this thread?

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...7267153&page=1
    End well, this would not.
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    Originally Posted by Jizzman View Post
    But IIFYM bro, that is exactly what you are saying
    I don't think you understand what IIFYM means
    You hate it, but you know respect you got to give me.

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    Originally Posted by Mateoz View Post
    Two huge things Mike Mentzer doesn't mention:

    -Not everyone is on dat dere celltech
    -More lean mass means more calorie burn
    Hears another one of my favorite things disproving the carb = bad. Enjoy

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    Originally Posted by SMASHgym View Post
    that's broscience, did you know whey protein is MORE insulinogenic than simple carbs?
    anyone who has ever ate zero carbs for 3 days and accidently licked a spoon covered in sugar can attest to simple sugar being god damn insane instant headrush insulin spike. protein not so much/10
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    its amazing how scared people are of carbs...
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    Originally Posted by agm1984 View Post
    anyone who has ever ate zero carbs for 3 days and accidently licked a spoon covered in sugar can attest to simple sugar being god damn insane instant headrush insulin spike. protein not so much/10
    http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319

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