US teachers bear arms to protect students [Teachers are now allowed to use guns]

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"THE TEACHERS HAVE GUNS NOW, NOW OUR CHILDREN ARE SAFE!"

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Are you ****ing kidding me?
Inb4 a teacher goes postal

Strong logic. If a teacher would have gone "postal" it would have already happened a long time ago and the teacher would have brought a gun to school and shot up everyone. "Postal" people don't reason. Do you think a crazy teacher would have said "omg yes! Now that guns are legal in school, I can finally commit murder!!"

Insert MJ gif here

[littlegroup999]

this is retarded

heres my fix to the problem

1) setup 15foot barbed wire fences around every school with only one entrance. parking is OUTSIDE the fence

2) in order to enter the fence, you go through a metal detector and place your bags through a metal detector. this will prevent any gun from entering the school

3) there is a single armed guard protecting the entrance so a criminal cannot get through unless he breaches the fence which sets off an alarm and the guard responds to the alarm


4) each school has a secondary mass exiit location where the gates open up and kids are allowed to leave the school. this location also has an armed guard watching to make sure no one tries to enter through the exit



this wouldnt even cost that much money to do for each school

[ChillBot]

Said it before, I'll say it again....bad idea. This doesn't make people any safer.

by that logic, outfitting the secret service with guns doesn't make the president any safer

[kusok]

Look at the stats of first world countries and gun deaths. America has way more gun-related deaths than all of them combined. Too tired to get into this arguement, just look at Canada, Germany etc. who have good gun laws and their total net deaths are far lower than America.

Don't have a problem with you guys shooting each other, but you need to look at the stats as a whole

America's guns-allowed areas are SAFER than Europe. Look it up.

America's gun-free zones are where most crime takes place, as well as senseless drug war, and overprescribing of the often banned in Europe serotonin re-uptakers (aka anti-depressants) that list suicide, halucinations, and violence on the insert as "side effects"...

[thedoggod]

completely agree. If a teacher had the ability to save my son with this law, I'm 100% on board.


On a separate topic to you gun hating *******s.

Oklahoma City Bombing
-168 dead
-19 children under 6 died.
-680 people injured

9/11.
-2977 Victims died.

Centennial Olympic Park bombing.
-2 dead.
-111 Injured.

I'm not saying that in any way having the ability to have a weapon would have help in any of those situations, I'm showing you that people can do damage without weapons, and in terms of lives(which I hate to even use this as my point, each life is valuable to me), the "damage" is worse.

The guns aren't the problem, the people are. If they didn't have access to guns, they'd use something else.

Shut the fawk up.

I'd rather everyone had a weapon, than "no one" have a weapon.

[BrahJamie]

Teachers are people too and cud lose the plot :/

[MilwaukeeBrah]

what's more likely than a teacher using the gun, is a student using the teacher's gun (srs)

[Jeffreezy]

Better than having No-one armed in a school, in a country where there are 300+ Million guns, many of which end up in the hands of criminals.

[littlegroup999]

by that logic, outfitting the secret service with guns doesn't make the president any safer

the secret service makes every area a gunfree zone within a radius around every inch the president will travel, thats what makes the president safe


to truly make the kids safe, we need to make the schools a true gun-free zone, impossible to bring firearms on campus. We need a 15foot barbed fence surrounding every school with alarms that alert a break-through, and the school will have one entrance and you must walk through a metal detector to enter the school preventing all fire-arms from entering the school. then you have a highly trained armed guard protecting the entrance to the school


this way only the armed guard handles the firearm, instead of teachers that arent trained and screened for their ability to properly handle a weapon around protected targets

[Starred]

This WILL NOT WORK because:

all the shooter needs to do is take out the teacher first

/discussion

[xlongxnutsx]

in new york they made an online map of every gun owner with their address and types of weapons....NRA president said it perfectly when he said "thats just like a shopping catalog for robbers"

this world SMH

[Jeffreezy]

what's more likely than a teacher using the gun, is a student using the teacher's gun (srs)

Source?

[MilwaukeeBrah]

Source?

lol what?

[ChillBot]

This WILL NOT WORK because:

all the shooter needs to do is take out the teacher first

/discussion

one or two shooters < multiple armed teachers

[alial30]

No more class clowns.

[MilwaukeeBrah]

the secret service makes every area a gunfree zone within a radius around every inch the president will travel, thats what makes the president safe


to truly make the kids safe, we need to make the schools a true gun-free zone, impossible to bring firearms on campus. We need a 15foot barbed fence surrounding every school with alarms that alert a break-through, and the school will have one entrance and you must walk through a metal detector to enter the school preventing all fire-arms from entering the school. then you have a highly trained armed guard protecting the entrance to the school


this way only the armed guard handles the firearm, instead of teachers that arent trained and screened for their ability to properly handle a weapon around protected targets

This WILL NOT WORK because:

all the shooter needs to do is take out the teacher first

/discussion

logic isn't allowed on the misc, you two.

[WiggyWanka]

Look at the stats of first world countries and gun deaths. America has way more gun-related deaths than all of them combined. Too tired to get into this arguement, just look at Canada, Germany etc. who have good gun laws and their total net deaths are far lower than America.

Don't have a problem with you guys shooting each other, but you need to look at the stats as a whole

More like YOU need to look at stats as a whole. Do you think the gun laws are the only thing that influence net deaths? Try again. You better do some research on socio-economic status. Also, Chicago has some of the nations most strict gun laws. They just hit their 500th homicide of the year.

[Jeffreezy]

lol what?

So you just pulled it out of your ass then, ok.

[Starred]

one or two shooters < multiple armed teachers

ermmm, by the time another teacher plucks up the courage to do sh!t, the damage is already done, with minutes to spare.

This isn't like the movies.

[MilwaukeeBrah]

one or two shooters < multiple armed teachers

[bbacn123]

how long before the first student gets shot from a teacher?
teachers and gun laws of peace

This


Not sure if good idea


Maybe let the principal and school counselor carry, but this should be limited to a select few and not every teacher. Women are f*cking idiots for the most part. School full of strapped women in lockdown mode....in for bloody mess.

[Jeffreezy]

This WILL NOT WORK because:

all the shooter needs to do is take out the teacher first

/discussion

That's somehow worse than a crazed gunman shooting unarmed people? At least a teacher would have means to fight back.

[StinkFisted]

true

The point is to stop him, not intimidate so they think twice.

[WiggyWanka]

This WILL NOT WORK because:

all the shooter needs to do is take out the teacher first

/discussion

LOL. Try reading the story first. Considering the guns will be concealed the shooter would have no idea which teachers are carrying. You have the intelligence of a potato.

[slapaho]

This is 100% not true.

Average # of deaths in a mass shooting until just the police step in: 14.5
Average # of deaths in a mass shooting until a civilian steps in: 2.5

In the last month alone, there have been 3 mass shooting attempts in the U.S. The only one we hear about is Newtown, CT. Why, because the other two shooters were stopped and killed after civilians stepped in. Both of those shootings had less than 3 deaths.

edit: actually one of the killers mentioned above offed himself after he saw a civilian with a gun.

links to these stories?

[Starred]

That's somehow worse than a crazed gunman shooting unarmed people? At least a teacher would have means to fight back.

of course that's a positive, but it needs to be weighed against all the negatives of having guns freely available in a child-rich environment. And where is the means to fight back? I'd just shoot the teacher first, then shoot all the kids in the classroom, then by the time that happens I don't care if another teacher shoots me because I was gonna do it myself anyway (no fbi)

LOL. Try reading the story first. Considering the guns will be concealed the shooter would have no idea which teachers are carrying. You have the intelligence of a potato.

You're a fuking potato. How about you shoot the teacher anyway????? You really think the teacher is on alert 24/7 with a loaded gun ready for a gunman to walk through the door any second? Idiot.

[kusok]

this is retarded

heres my fix to the problem

1) setup 15foot barbed wire fences around every school with only one entrance. parking is OUTSIDE the fence

2) in order to enter the fence, you go through a metal detector and place your bags through a metal detector. this will prevent any gun from entering the school

3) there is a single armed guard protecting the entrance so a criminal cannot get through unless he breaches the fence which sets off an alarm and the guard responds to the alarm


4) each school has a secondary mass exiit location where the gates open up and kids are allowed to leave the school. this location also has an armed guard watching to make sure no one tries to enter through the exit



this wouldnt even cost that much money to do for each school

I have a better idea still:


Here is how Mr. Government can make schools safe:

1- Have 12 armed guards like the school Obama's daughter goes to.

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oh wait, never mind! Forget that! This is only for important people, your kids can go suck a dick!

ok, plan B

1- full body and cavity search undressed for all children

2- TSA workers hose children down with toilet water and chemicals (to prevent disease etc)

3- children are to reside blind mindless allegiance to the state and imaginary God before school day begins. oh wait... never mind, they already do that one. ok, next:

4- make statues with twisted gun barrels to protest against guns, surely this will stop the shooters. oh wait, never mind, UN already did that too.

5- celebrate president's day, carve president's faces into mountains, surely state will save you and protect you. ok wait... that too has already happened.

[miscsleepdoctor]

Several US states are considering allowing school teachers to carry weapons and educators, determined not to allow a repeat of the Newtown massacre, are flocking to training sessions.




As gun control advocates try to outlaw military-style assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, gun enthusiasts, backed by the powerful National Rifle Association (NRA), are taking a very different approach.

The gun lobby argues that there is no way to stop crazy or evil people doing bad things and so the only sure-fire way to prevent mass shootings like the one at Sandy Hook primary is to take down the shooter.

In a rare press conference one week after 20-year-old Adam Lanza shot dead 20 six and seven-year-olds and six adults with a Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle, the NRA called for armed guards in every school in the country.

But in Utah, one of the handful of American states that currently allows people to carry licensed concealed weapons into public schools, many teachers are unwilling to wait and see which political argument wins out.

In response to Newtown, the Utah Shooting Sports Council (USSC) waived its fee on Thursday for educators wanting to participate in training sessions to gain permits to carry concealed weapons.

More than half of the roughly 400 education professionals that showed an interest had to be turned away because there wasn't enough room on the course.

"We had about 400 that wanted to do it and we only had seating for about 180," USSC board member Bill Scott said.

The surge in interest was seen by organisers as a direct response to the shooting in Newtown, with teachers showing a heightened awareness that people are responsible for their own safety and wanted their own permits.

"A lot of these people may have shot all their lives and some of them may have never touched a gun," Scott said.

"We're not advocating that all teachers should be armed. We're just saying that those that choose to be armed, that want to get the training, they have the right to do that in Utah, we'd like to facilitate that."

While teachers train themselves to try to stop the next Lanza, state officials like Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne are busily crafting legislation to make sure they can legally do so.

"The proposal is that any school that wishes to do so may designate the principal or another designee to receive training in the use of firearms and how to handle emergencies such as that which occurred in Newtown," he said.

Ideally there would be an armed police officer in every school, but due to budget considerations this may not be possible, so training a designated teacher to handle firearms was "the next best solution," Horne said.

Pro-gun politicians in Florida, Minnesota, Oregon, South Dakota and Tennessee have also vowed to propose legislation in the coming months that would allow for armed teachers in schools.

"Hopefully, these monsters, these animals that are doing this stuff will stay away from the schools," said Scott.

"Our view also is that it's not just that you would actively engage the shooter, just the fact that the bad guys know that teachers are armed in Utah is a huge deterrent.

"They tend to pick targets where they know there will be lots of innocent victims and they're not going to encounter any resistance."

As teachers stripped semi-automatic pistols on tables at the USSC gathering, Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein was putting the final touches to a bill that would ban weapons like the one Lanza used in Newtown.

Gun rights advocates, led by the NRA, are stringently against such measures.

"The thing about them being assault weapons, it's a misnomer," said Scott.

"These weapons are no different than a standard sporting weapon. We don't support any bans on those because true military weapons are already banned in the United States."



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get ready for shooting kids if they get real annoying

Several US states have already allowed teachers to carry concealed weapons, there hasnt been a single incident of teachers using their guns against students..

Said it before, I'll say it again....bad idea. This doesn't make people any safer.

lol, does it make them less safe? Why, in your opinion is it a bad idea?

Haha i can imagine it now . Kids getting on teachers last nerves and one of them will pull one out and harm students or themselves. Ive seen students make teachers crack so it wouldnt be hard to believe.

There is a big difference between a teacher yelling at her students (or throwing erasers, like an example I heard in another thread) and killing children in cold blood..

true one of them will go mentol and cause another massacre

You cant even spell correctly. I cant take anything you say seriously

Look at the stats of first world countries and gun deaths. America has way more gun-related deaths than all of them combined. Too tired to get into this arguement, just look at Canada, Germany etc. who have good gun laws and their total net deaths are far lower than America.

Don't have a problem with you guys shooting each other, but you need to look at the stats as a whole

Correlation =/= causation. You cannot compare two countries with different demographics, populations, ideology's, cultures etc etc. The fact that you tried to do so, is asinine.

"Rapid multiculturalism, urbanization and socioeconomic conditions are factors in creating an environment in which crime rates increase."

this is retarded

heres my fix to the problem

1) setup 15foot barbed wire fences around every school with only one entrance. parking is OUTSIDE the fence

2) in order to enter the fence, you go through a metal detector and place your bags through a metal detector. this will prevent any gun from entering the school

3) there is a single armed guard protecting the entrance so a criminal cannot get through unless he breaches the fence which sets off an alarm and the guard responds to the alarm


4) each school has a secondary mass exiit location where the gates open up and kids are allowed to leave the school. this location also has an armed guard watching to make sure no one tries to enter through the exit



this wouldnt even cost that much money to do for each school

strong "1984"

[bbacn123]

the secret service makes every area a gunfree zone within a radius around every inch the president will travel, thats what makes the president safe


to truly make the kids safe, we need to make the schools a true gun-free zone, impossible to bring firearms on campus. We need a 15foot barbed fence surrounding every school with alarms that alert a break-through, and the school will have one entrance and you must walk through a metal detector to enter the school preventing all fire-arms from entering the school. then you have a highly trained armed guard protecting the entrance to the school


this way only the armed guard handles the firearm, instead of teachers that arent trained and screened for their ability to properly handle a weapon around protected targets

Don't like this idea. Terrible way to have kids go to school every day. It's like they're attending a prison. All that reinforcement is a constant visual reminder of how f*cked up the world is. Can't imagine the psychological damages to growing up in an environment like that where you're heavily guarded while in school and never guarded like that outside of it.

[frommisc]

why not post metal detectors and security guards at every single door and get over with this ****, this shouldve been done 20 years ago