24/7 Customer Service 1-866-236-8417 Need Help? 1-866-236-8417

Reply
Results 1 to 19 of 19
  1. #1
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 41
    Stats: 5'9", 199 lbs
    Posts: 7,364
    Rep Power: 42672
    induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit induced_drag's BodySpace
    induced_drag is offline

    New experiment on self...Nutrient timing....fact or fiction.

    I have noticed as I have gotten leaner, how much more pronounced the effects of nutrient timing seem to be. (mainly carbs)

    This goes against many studies that show timing not be be a large factor. Yet, you see most top level bodybuilders speak as to its effectiveness. You have to wonder that most studies are not done on people in any state of training or at lower bodyfat levels.

    So in interest of seeing how much "bunk" there is to it, I am thinking of constructing an experiment with group of 1 ....ME!


    Using a blood glucose monitor, I am thinking of deriving an experiment.

    I am interested to test a few theories.

    -Taking in carbs first thing AM is most efficient as your bodies insulin sensitivity is better
    -Taking in carbs post workout is effective as your bodies insulin sensitivity is greater.
    -I am also interested in testing GDA's. I have Slin-Sane and Glycobol which I will test.


    I played around with my Mother-in-laws meter while she was visiting. I am going to pick one up and devise a protocol to test several of the ideas again. I will construct the experiment to eliminate as many variables as possible. Eg eating same meals, at different times and seeing the response. Or eating the same meal at same time of day, one after a workout and one without working out...etc.

    I am hoping to learn a little more about my body.

    Anyway...just throwing this out there and seeing what you guys think. Anyone know of anyone who has ever done this? (or am I the only idiot with too much time on their hands )
    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    545 Squat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qZZLnePFiI
    225 x 29 bench http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe68-LgD0jM
    Reply With Quote

  2. #2
    AWOL highiso's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Stats: 6'0", 190 lbs
    Posts: 2,878
    BodyPoints: 662
    Rep Power: 13463
    highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit highiso's BodySpace
    highiso is offline
    I practice intermittent fasting, I don't eat until my afternoon workout, so this is a little different than what you're experimenting with. But, I've become pretty good at carb timing and filling out when below 8-9% . I usually keep my carbs around 165g during the week and then double up on Friday-Saturday during the summer.

    Downing a few servings of these and a soda before hitting the pool or beach fills me out quickly without looking buttery...

    My 3-year Transformation & Nutritional Journal...
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=148113303

    My Over 40 Transformation of the Week...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/body-transformation-power-plan.html#

    My Top 10 Insane Transformation Feature...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/to-the-extreme-10-insane-body-transformations.html

    My Top 12 of 2012 Transformation Feature...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbcoms-top-12-body-transformations-of-2012.html
    Reply With Quote

  3. #3
    SUCKAFREE TCO76's Avatar
    Join Date: Sep 2012
    Stats: 5'11", 188 lbs
    Posts: 533
    Rep Power: 1119
    TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) TCO76 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit TCO76's BodySpace
    TCO76 is offline
    In for higher learning.
    Reply With Quote

  4. #4
    CARLMAN ntrllftr's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2004
    Location: Ohio, United States
    Age: 45
    Stats: 5'6", 150 lbs
    Posts: 14,483
    BodyPoints: 47645
    Rep Power: 59528
    ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) ntrllftr has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit ntrllftr's BodySpace
    ntrllftr is offline
    I have preached and followed those theories for two decades. I'll be intersted to see your results with the monitor.
    Every day counts.

    -[][][]---------[][][]-

    I has a PHmuthaf'nD in Broscience!

    ntrllftr > azstrengthlosscouchpotato
    Reply With Quote

  5. #5
    Hammer time... Smelly bull's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Location: Michigan, United States
    Age: 48
    Stats: 6'1", 258 lbs
    Posts: 2,947
    BodyPoints: 16
    Rep Power: 14838
    Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) Smelly bull has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit Smelly bull's BodySpace
    Smelly bull is offline
    I will be interested in seeing your results.
    “No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training… what a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.” – Socrates

    My journal...mostly focused on losing weight and maintaining mass

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=159539181&p=1192452511#post1192452511
    Reply With Quote

  6. #6
    The Jesus Crew 2nd_chance's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2009
    Location: United States
    Stats: 6'2", 230 lbs
    Posts: 20,026
    Rep Power: 50258
    2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit 2nd_chance's BodySpace
    2nd_chance is offline
    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post

    This goes against many studies that show timing not be be a large factor.
    I think that most studies show that it has no effect on LBM gains, but I'm pretty sure that nutrient timing has an effect on fullness and pumps. So what exactly are you testing, the former or the latter?
    David


    I'm not a bodybuilder but I play one on the internet.
    Reply With Quote

  7. #7
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 41
    Stats: 5'9", 199 lbs
    Posts: 7,364
    Rep Power: 42672
    induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit induced_drag's BodySpace
    induced_drag is offline
    Originally Posted by 2nd_chance View Post
    I think that most studies show that it has no effect on LBM gains, but I'm pretty sure that nutrient timing has an effect on fullness and pumps. So what exactly are you testing, the former or the latter?

    Mainly I want to look as insulin sensitivity and response to high carbohydrate consumption. We are told, that it is best to consume a major portion of our carbs first thing AM and also post workout due to the increased sensitivity of insulin. I am interested to see how true this is.

    If it is, I will be interested to see how far I can push the carb intake. I think this is especially important when trying to get in the max amount of carbs and stay leaner. If it shows there actually is a better time to take in the carbs, it might be possible to keep intake up, thereby maintaining performance as well as state of leanness.

    As we know, insulin blunts fat burning. So keeping it lower, during higher carb consumption may help with shifting nutrient partitioning.

    I am also very interested in testing GDA (glucose disposal agents). They may play an important role in re-feeding....or even planned cheats.

    Wrapping this up, I want to see if there really is something to the stratagy of timing carb consumption. If so, I will carry these ideas into my next surplus and see if I can use it to stay leaner. Maybe even shift my carb cycling around even more..... I really dont know.... Just looking for some insight into if these things actually matter.
    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    545 Squat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qZZLnePFiI
    225 x 29 bench http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe68-LgD0jM
    Reply With Quote

  8. #8
    AWOL highiso's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Stats: 6'0", 190 lbs
    Posts: 2,878
    BodyPoints: 662
    Rep Power: 13463
    highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit highiso's BodySpace
    highiso is offline
    Yes they do matter. Why dont you just try fasting already?
    My 3-year Transformation & Nutritional Journal...
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=148113303

    My Over 40 Transformation of the Week...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/body-transformation-power-plan.html#

    My Top 10 Insane Transformation Feature...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/to-the-extreme-10-insane-body-transformations.html

    My Top 12 of 2012 Transformation Feature...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbcoms-top-12-body-transformations-of-2012.html
    Reply With Quote

  9. #9
    The Jesus Crew 2nd_chance's Avatar
    Join Date: Mar 2009
    Location: United States
    Stats: 6'2", 230 lbs
    Posts: 20,026
    Rep Power: 50258
    2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) 2nd_chance has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit 2nd_chance's BodySpace
    2nd_chance is offline
    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    Mainly I want to look as insulin sensitivity and response to high carbohydrate consumption. We are told, that it is best to consume a major portion of our carbs first thing AM and also post workout due to the increased sensitivity of insulin. I am interested to see how true this is.

    If it is, I will be interested to see how far I can push the carb intake. I think this is especially important when trying to get in the max amount of carbs and stay leaner. If it shows there actually is a better time to take in the carbs, it might be possible to keep intake up, thereby maintaining performance as well as state of leanness.

    As we know, insulin blunts fat burning. So keeping it lower, during higher carb consumption may help with shifting nutrient partitioning.

    I am also very interested in testing GDA (glucose disposal agents). They may play an important role in re-feeding....or even planned cheats.

    Wrapping this up, I want to see if there really is something to the stratagy of timing carb consumption. If so, I will carry these ideas into my next surplus and see if I can use it to stay leaner. Maybe even shift my carb cycling around even more..... I really dont know.... Just looking for some insight into if these things actually matter.
    I'm not a believer in that science but good luck. Whether it works or not, I'm sure that your execution and attention to detail will make it come out well.
    David


    I'm not a bodybuilder but I play one on the internet.
    Reply With Quote

  10. #10
    Meathead drudixon's Avatar
    Join Date: Aug 2010
    Location: Kennesaw, Georgia, United States
    Stats: 6'0", 182 lbs
    Posts: 9,940
    Rep Power: 25159
    drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) drudixon has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit drudixon's BodySpace
    drudixon is offline
    I'd toss in protein too. The point of spiking insulin is to increase nutrient absorption. Insulin is merely a catalyst for active transport. The whole point of Insulin isn't to get carbs into cells, it's to get more protein in the cells (from a bodybuilding perspective). I think if you just focus solely on insulin sensitivity without a corresponding spike in protein, then it's a wasted window. Supposedly creatine is also actively transported, so post workout you could time creatine and protein.

    This could be total broscience, so research it for sure. Just recalling various articles I've found on the web. I'll definitely be watching your log regardless of which route you take. Lastly, note, the more protein you take, the lower the overall gi of the spike will be, so you'll have to play with high gi carb amounts to get it right.
    Drudixon's See No Evil, Hear No Evil - Aesthetics Acquisition Log

    My randomly dicking around in a gym thread

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=148073193&p=947161783

    O35 Official Deadlift Competition
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=153300191
    Reply With Quote

  11. #11
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 41
    Stats: 5'9", 199 lbs
    Posts: 7,364
    Rep Power: 42672
    induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit induced_drag's BodySpace
    induced_drag is offline
    Originally Posted by highiso View Post
    Yes they do matter. Why dont you just try fasting already?
    I dont think I could ever run an IF diet. I believe I have been hypoglycemic my entire life. (always had the symptoms even as a child). If I go more then 3 hours without eating, I get shaky...irritable, headaches...etc. Depending upon the type of diet I am eating, it can be made worse with consumption of simple carbs.

    This has been confirmed with several blood tests. My overnight fasting blood sugar has come in in the 50's several times. (bottom of the scale is 70!). My Dr says if I dont have any of the underlying causal factors, (liver disease, tumors...etc) that it could just be genetic. It never bothered me on Keto diets (which I did for over 2 years in my 20's) which makes sense as my body was always in a state of making sugars from fatty acids.

    Anyway....I dont think IF is for me.... I also dont think (just from a outsiders point of view) that it is an efficient way to gain higher levels of muscle.

    Originally Posted by 2nd_chance View Post
    I'm not a believer in that science but good luck. Whether it works or not, I'm sure that your execution and attention to detail will make it come out well.
    I already seem to notice some differences, but I can not tell if they are in my head or not. That is why I want to test them. My PWO shake which I make with simple sugars and whey (no fat) has almost 100 g of carbs. I feel I can really tell a difference between it's consumption post workout, and carb consumption at other times.

    Anyway,....just trying to learn a little something and see if there is anything to this. Obviously, if it made no difference, it would not be worth the effort. If it did however, then focusing carbs at certain times might have merit.
    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    545 Squat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qZZLnePFiI
    225 x 29 bench http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe68-LgD0jM
    Reply With Quote

  12. #12
    Powerlifting in disguise induced_drag's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2009
    Age: 41
    Stats: 5'9", 199 lbs
    Posts: 7,364
    Rep Power: 42672
    induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) induced_drag has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit induced_drag's BodySpace
    induced_drag is offline
    Originally Posted by drudixon View Post
    I'd toss in protein too. The point of spiking insulin is to increase nutrient absorption.

    Gotcha....the protein was a given, but I did not include it and should have. My first meal of the day usually takes in 50-60g and I do 50 +/- PWO.
    RAW lifts
    635 Dead http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mATRBZ0gwdg
    420 Bench (paused) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ2_Q-TLIB8
    545 Squat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qZZLnePFiI
    225 x 29 bench http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe68-LgD0jM
    Reply With Quote

  13. #13
    AWOL highiso's Avatar
    Join Date: Feb 2007
    Stats: 6'0", 190 lbs
    Posts: 2,878
    BodyPoints: 662
    Rep Power: 13463
    highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) highiso has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit highiso's BodySpace
    highiso is offline
    Definitely not for you then. Ive continued fasting thru my bulk so i wont know until i take all of the fat off if it worked well or not. Ill let you know.
    My 3-year Transformation & Nutritional Journal...
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=148113303

    My Over 40 Transformation of the Week...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/body-transformation-power-plan.html#

    My Top 10 Insane Transformation Feature...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/to-the-extreme-10-insane-body-transformations.html

    My Top 12 of 2012 Transformation Feature...
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/bbcoms-top-12-body-transformations-of-2012.html
    Reply With Quote

  14. #14
    Registered User mmcdjs's Avatar
    Join Date: Oct 2012
    Location: Shelbyville, Kentucky, United States
    Age: 48
    Stats: 5'10", 176 lbs
    Posts: 13
    Rep Power: 0
    mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000) mmcdjs is a splendid one to behold. (+10000)
    Visit mmcdjs's BodySpace
    mmcdjs is offline
    Originally Posted by highiso View Post
    Definitely not for you then. Ive continued fasting thru my bulk so i wont know until i take all of the fat off if it worked well or not. Ill let you know.
    Wow. that would be great to know if it makes a real difference. I work everyday and try to plan my meals every 4 hours, so it would be nice to see if there would be any benefit to change what it eat at each meal.
    Reply With Quote

  15. #15
    Is This Sparta? JelaniTheGreat's Avatar
    Join Date: Apr 2012
    Stats: 5'8", 200 lbs
    Posts: 443
    Rep Power: 59
    JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000) JelaniTheGreat has a brilliant future. Third best rank! (+40000)
    Visit JelaniTheGreat's BodySpace
    JelaniTheGreat is offline
    Subbed. Dropped 30lbs on IF and moderate carbs (100-180g).
    Reply With Quote

  16. #16
    Pushin' it Real Good smokinal's Avatar
    Join Date: Dec 2008
    Age: 45
    Stats: 5'9", 164 lbs
    Posts: 2,184
    Rep Power: 2243
    smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) smokinal has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit smokinal's BodySpace
    smokinal is offline
    I'd be interested in how this goes for you as well. I believe it can make a difference but don't let the kids in the nutrition section hear about this. There is a group of sheep over there that will neg the bejeesus outta ya just for mentioning the phrase "meal timing".
    ID, i am going through the same thing you did with my 12 yr old son. He needs to eat often or he turns white, gets shaky and queesey. we are seeing a nutritionist and she has helped him already but you mentioned simple carbs made it worse for you? this may be some of his issue as well because he snacks on a lot of pretzels and corn chips. I try to get some pb into him whenever I can. What other foods may be good for him?
    The powerlifter visions a certain weight he would like to lift, he uses his body to achieve it and he gets big as a side effect.
    The bodybuilder visions a certain physique he would like to aquire, he uses weights to achieve it and he gets stronger as a side effect.
    Reply With Quote

  17. #17
    Registered User JOHN GARGANI's Avatar
    Join Date: Jan 2004
    Location: Connecticut, United States
    Age: 63
    Stats: 5'7", 188 lbs
    Posts: 12,897
    BodyPoints: 11639
    Rep Power: 47050
    JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) JOHN GARGANI has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit JOHN GARGANI's BodySpace
    JOHN GARGANI is offline
    or am I the only idiot with too much time on their hands

    errrr.....is this a rhetorical question??

    lol.....

    nope, buddy, you are far from an idiot, and your "experiments" are always interesting because of your meticulous approach....

    I await the results , along with you...
    Lift as MUCH as you can, for as MANY reps as you can,
    while in complete control of the exercise.
    Reply With Quote

  18. #18
    Grip it and rip it... hardNheavy2011's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2011
    Stats: 5'7", 225 lbs
    Posts: 2,397
    Rep Power: 11947
    hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000) hardNheavy2011 has reached the pinnacle! Best possible rank! (+1000000)
    Visit hardNheavy2011's BodySpace
    hardNheavy2011 is offline
    Originally Posted by induced_drag View Post
    I dont think I could ever run an IF diet. I believe I have been hypoglycemic my entire life. (always had the symptoms even as a child). If I go more then 3 hours without eating, I get shaky...irritable, headaches...etc. Depending upon the type of diet I am eating, it can be made worse with consumption of simple carbs.

    This has been confirmed with several blood tests. My overnight fasting blood sugar has come in in the 50's several times. (bottom of the scale is 70!). My Dr says if I dont have any of the underlying causal factors, (liver disease, tumors...etc) that it could just be genetic. It never bothered me on Keto diets (which I did for over 2 years in my 20's) which makes sense as my body was always in a state of making sugars from fatty acids.

    Anyway....I dont think IF is for me.... I also dont think (just from a outsiders point of view) that it is an efficient way to gain higher levels of muscle.


    I was the same way until I switched over to an IF diet. It completely stopped those shaky and dizzy feelings I would get if I didn't eat every two or three hours. Plus, now I can actually enjoy life instead of worrying about timing my next meal. LOL Also, I've realized that calorie consumption pre-workout has had no effect on my strength levels. I can train on zero calories or 2000 calories and have the same quality workout. That's just me.

    Almost all of my PL comps have been on an extended fast for weigh in purposes with only an hour or so to eat before I lift. Most of the time I'd just sip on chocolate milk between lifts. LOL
    -!!!---!!!- No Excuses Homemade Equipment Crew #12 -!!!---!!!- Hardnheavy2011

    Best competition lifts: RAW with wraps
    Squat- 623@202 611@198
    Bench- 374@203 429@222
    Deadlift- 601@203 639@228 660@220 (gym)
    Total- 1603@222 1554@202

    My Journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146556533
    Reply With Quote

  19. #19
    Registered User cockywop's Avatar
    Join Date: Jul 2007
    Location: United States
    Age: 50
    Stats: 6'1", 203 lbs
    Posts: 331
    BodyPoints: 642
    Rep Power: 164
    cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000) cockywop has a reputation beyond repute. Second best rank possible! (+100000)
    Visit cockywop's BodySpace
    cockywop is offline
    Be interested to know what info you used to research nutrient timing.

    Justin Harris and Shelby Starnes have some good stuff.




    Also a good read on I.F.

    http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/1...asting-part-1/

    http://www.dangerouslyhardcore.com/1...e-fights-over/


    In b4 Aragons warriors.
    "Unless you're a 14 year old girl what kind of pussy actually takes the time and effort to neg someone. Pathetic" -Author unknown
    Reply With Quote

Reply

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts