Kipping pull-up.... Really?

[johnnykuhnII]

So what does everyone think about this 'kipping pull-up' I see the crossfitters doing? Do we really consider this good training?
Let me know your thoughts.

[71Avido]

Looks painful.

[j1akey]

Just search for kipping pull ups. You'll probably find 100 threads that have already beaten and buried this dead horse.

[ironwill2008]

Let me know your thoughts.

Okay.


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[wisdommaster1]

in reality kipping is part of gymnastic movements, so it is a good segue into more advanced gymnastic movements. However crossfitters seem to think its a good way to improve pull-ups. While it does activate your lats during part of it, its definitely not nearly as effective as strict pull-ups.

Other than that the only other reason for learning kipping pull-ups is for crossfit competition purposes.

I do crossfit fyi

[lee__d]

[DerekEt]

Kipping pullups are for weak,misguided,and possibly unintelligent individuals who will soon be visiting their local orthopedic surgeon. If you do kipping pullups, please drop the ego and realize you are piss poor weak, and in reality can't do them properly, so need an excuse to SOMEHOW get yourself up on that bar.

[ThickAsABrick]

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[vampborn]

Kipping can be used to get more reps, but I would rather rely on strict pull-ups and negatives. Muscle-Ups on the other hand require kipping while learning the movement, but not like a fish flopping out of water - just a little momentum to aid you.

[DJAuto]

I'm not a fan, but I also bodybuild.

[Retoaded]

So what does everyone think about this 'kipping pull-up' I see the crossfitters doing? Do we really consider this good training?
Let me know your thoughts.

only worth doing one armed. and touching your chin on the top of the bar each time as you pass it.

[Madevilz]

kipping pullups and push press all day errrrr day

[attackdarack]

Most people I see kip wrong. So it looks like some dumbass swinging motion.

[Engineer_Guy]

Crossfitters want to be good at Crossfit and kipping pullups are a contested event at Crossfit competitions.

Crossfitter's goals are not bodybuilding so why would a bodybuilder care what they do?

[bevans100fitnes]

It's no different than a powerlifter using a huge low back arch and bulging gut on flat bench to decrease range of motion.

When the lift actually IS the form of competition, a new "form" will be developed, to make it as easy as possible.

That being said, benching like a PLer or doing a kipping pullup if you aren't competing in either sport is fairly retarded.

^^I was interested that someone above compared kipping pullups to pushpress..... never thought of it that way. You might be able to use kipping pullups to continue past regular pullup failure.


I for one, am too embarassed to do them at a gym, unless I am alone and security cameras are turned off.

[DerekEt]

Benching like a powerlifter is dumb if you don't compete in the sport? Are you unaware that almost every bodybuilder nowadays arches their back on benching(while keeping glutes on the bench) so that they aren't injured for years and then can't bench whatsoever? Man, no wonder you are deep in the red; I seriously feel like you just talk with no prior thought of what you are about to post.

Benching with an arch/chest up is completely different than a kipping pullup. Your logic never ceases to amaze me man.

[KarlynSkuatrach]

It's no different than a powerlifter using a huge low back arch and bulging gut on flat bench to decrease range of motion.

When the lift actually IS the form of competition, a new "form" will be developed, to make it as easy as possible.

That being said, benching like a PLer or doing a kipping pullup if you aren't competing in either sport is fairly retarded.

^^I was interested that someone above compared kipping pullups to pushpress..... never thought of it that way. You might be able to use kipping pullups to continue past regular pullup failure.


I for one, am too embarassed to do them at a gym, unless I am alone and security cameras are turned off.

Sadly, you're not too embarrassed to post out of your depth on a variety of topics in this section -- which now today includes PL bench style.

[ThickAsABrick]

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[Engineer_Guy]

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[DerekEt]

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[CookAndrewB]

Kipping pullups are for weak,misguided,and possibly unintelligent individuals who will soon be visiting their local orthopedic surgeon. If you do kipping pullups, please drop the ego and realize you are piss poor weak, and in reality can't do them properly, so need an excuse to SOMEHOW get yourself up on that bar.

Dear DerekET,

I seriously feel like you just talk with no prior thought of what you are about to post.

Love,

DerekET

[BloodType3R]

It's no different than a powerlifter using a huge low back arch and bulging gut on flat bench to decrease range of motion.

When the lift actually IS the form of competition, a new "form" will be developed, to make it as easy as possible.

That being said, benching like a PLer or doing a kipping pullup if you aren't competing in either sport is fairly retarded.

^^I was interested that someone above compared kipping pullups to pushpress..... never thought of it that way. You might be able to use kipping pullups to continue past regular pullup failure.


I for one, am too embarassed to do them at a gym, unless I am alone and security cameras are turned off.

Step away from the keyboard.

Leave this place and never come back.

[SuicideGripMe]

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[bevans100fitnes]

Benching like a powerlifter is dumb if you don't compete in the sport? Are you unaware that almost every bodybuilder nowadays arches their back on benching(while keeping glutes on the bench) so that they aren't injured for years and then can't bench whatsoever? Man, no wonder you are deep in the red; I seriously feel like you just talk with no prior thought of what you are about to post.

Benching with an arch/chest up is completely different than a kipping pullup. Your logic never ceases to amaze me man.

I arch my back when I bench. Once again, my post is being misunderstood. There is a huge difference in the degree of arch that bodybuilders, that myself, and others employ, than the extreme arch that powerlifters use in competition.

A bit of an arch is good for the shoulders, and gives proper leverage.

A lot of powerlifters deffinitely use the arch, combined with the shirt, to bounce the bar off their gut and reduce range of motion.

I wasn't implying people should bench with their backs flat, but theres a limit to everything.

[bevans100fitnes]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPGhhs-yy7I

kind of a bad example of "proper form" but note his lower back isn't touching. He still has an arch.

NOW THIS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOKCN2LcwDo

I was implying, that benching the second way, decreases range of motion and the productivity of the workout.... If the workout is intended to do something other than "practice benching more" such as increase chest size, increase sports performance, punch harder, burn fat... etc...

Please try to read before you flame.

[BloodType3R]

A lot of powerlifters deffinitely use the arch, combined with the shirt, to bounce the bar off their gut and reduce range of motion..

NO.
Powerlifters do not "bounce" reps. Most powerlifting federations require a dead stop and a pause on the chest before the press.. dip chit.
You have no business commenting on topics that you are clearly ignorant of.
EDIT: And the video that YOU linked further illustrates my point... dip chit.

[bevans100fitnes]

And yes there are parallels between powerlifters pulling what looks like a contortionist feat of flexibility before unracking the bar on bench, and crossfitters that look like they are having epileptic grand mal seizures while doing pullups. In both cases, the movement itself is the competition, so in both cases, the sports evolves to have its own deffinition of the movement, taking advantage of every loophole in the rules possible, allowing someone to make the movement easier

[ironwill2008]

to bounce the bar off their gut and reduce range of motion.

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[bevans100fitnes]

NO.
Powerlifters do not "bounce" reps. Most powerlifting federations require a dead stop and a pause on the chest before the press.. dip chit.
You have no business commenting on topics that you are clearly ignorant of.

Cmon buddy. Dip ****? Grow up.

Yeah I guess you are right about the bouncing...

But the arch I am speaking of is clear as daylight. Everybody arches when they bench.... I don't see anybody BUT powerlifters arch THAT MUCH. I'm just saying an arch is good but a ridiculous arch is only useful in powerlifting.

[bevans100fitnes]

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

You're right. You should get in contact with all the potential Mr. Olympias this year and make sure they know to bench like a powerlifter. Your wisdom is golden.