Kipping pull-up.... Really?

[SDFlip]

Excuse me for confusing crossfit contests for actual muscle building exercises on a site called body building.com and specifically in the exercise forum.

Maybe we could take squat hopping to a national level too.

maybe you should read the thread first

[SquatTilYouDrop]

maybe you should read the thread first

Mabye you should.

Read between the lines.


Just a thought.

[tomsfish]

so cultistflip,are you allowed to celebrate christmas in your cult or not?

[batmannu]

Maybe we could take squat hopping to a national level too.

i wanna do that! bro, im in!!!

so cultistflip,are you allowed to celebrate christmas in your cult or not?

u asking if crossfitters eat cake? :P they do all the time, otherwise they would look like skin and bone as they spend so much energy and time on kipping :P

[abendm]

So you're comparing power lifting to these kipping bar humpers? That 13 year old is pushing massive weight with legal form. Regardless of back arch it's still impressive.

Yes; I am. If you're in a competition where kipping bar-humping will give you the advantage, it makes sense to do it... same with the arch. My point isn't that one is "good" and one isn't, or that either one isn't good. For the respective sport, both are optimal; but we're on BBing.com, not PLing.com.

If someone wanted to say that they benched the most weight with "legal" form, then I'd say go for the crazy arch. If you're looking to bench to build a bigger chest, I fail to see how shortening the rom with an arch will help, especially as the bottom of the rom is the part that works chest/delts most.

[yg7s7]

2:10

no thanks Jeff

[SDFlip]

2:10

no thanks Jeff

lol

that happens all the time when people use a suicide grip and kip. in my gym, i teach everyone to have a full grip on the bar (thumb around the gar). if they choose to use the suicide grip, that's on them... i told them multiple times before. just like guys on the bench that use a suicide grip.... it's dumb.

the guy in the video had a good time, too. you guys bashing crossfit should try that workout he just did:
21 thrusters w/ 95lbs (front squat into a push press)
21 pullups (you can do them strict, but most will kip)
15 thrusters
15 pullups
9 thrusters
9 pullups

do that as fast as possible.....

[rdferguson]

Kipping pull ups have their place, but that place is seldom found in bodybuilding. If you're doing pull ups for purposes outside of bodybuilding, then kipping pull ups may or may not be for you because of reasons.

[bevans100fitnes]

So you're comparing power lifting to these kipping bar humpers? That 13 year old is pushing massive weight with legal form. Regardless of back arch it's still impressive.

Believe it or not, some of the crossfit athletes are also doing impressive things.

-Coming from a person who is not a fan of crossfit

[klaery]

If you don't see parallels between kipping, HUGE back arch on bench, and squatting with your feet 5 feet apart... You are probably then reading this with confirmation bias, meaning processing the information emotionally and not intellectually.

Again you are talking about geared lifts. You know raw powerlifting exists right? ANd that even geared lifters do alot/most of their training raw? Perhaps you should start processing this intellectually not emotionally.

[bevans100fitnes]

When you are doing raw powerlifting the arch is not so important, but the bigger your arch, the the less you have to bench, literally the distance between barbell and chest is smaller the bigger your arch. - Batmannu

My response: When you kip, you are also decreasing the ROM of the pullup, making it into more of a pullup "lockout" (not sure what else to call it).

You guys are splitting hairs. It's the same damn thing, in a different flavor. Lotta meatheads getting angry bout this but not 1 valid argument to dispute my point. LOL

-coming from a meathead.

[bevans100fitnes]

Again you are talking about geared lifts. You know raw powerlifting exists right? ANd that even geared lifters do alot/most of their training raw? Perhaps you should start processing this intellectually not emotionally.

We're talking about 2 separate things, and I don't think either is really that cool, so trust me. I may be the only person in this entire thread processing things intellectually.

[SDFlip]

My response: When you kip, you are also decreasing the ROM of the pullup, making it into more of a pullup "lockout" (not sure what else to call it)..

not so much. the hips really drive the movement in the kip. i can pretty much kip my head over the bar even without pulling with my arms

[bevans100fitnes]

not so much. the hips really drive the movement in the kip. i can pretty much kip my head over the bar even without pulling with my arms

I bet after high enough reps you are pulling with arms though, once fatigued (just speculation i have never "kipped")

Just dont lose the point, which is that when the actual exercise IS the competition, the easiest way to complete a rep while staying within the rules and regulations, is how the exercise is performed.

[LiftingSteve93]

Just dont lose the point, which is that when the actual exercise IS the competition, the easiest way to complete a rep while staying within the rules and regulations, is how the exercise is performed.

This. In strongman, deadlifts are allowed to be done with straps usually. This is not allowed in PL. So is it better to deadlift with or without straps? The answer is...depends on which sport you do. No point not wearing straps if competing in strongman. Same concept really, do what will help you in your sport the most.

[tomsfish]

not so much. the hips really drive the movement in the kip. i can pretty much kip my head over the bar even without pulling with my arms

aw come on,you have to admit thats funny.you dont do any pulling up in your pullups.

[batmannu]

look, crossfitters, its possible to pullup without the weird swinging too :P

[Arathor]

Kipping pull-ups basically use momentum as a replacement for most of the muscle tension.

The only legit reason for doing kipping pull-ups is to help you work towards being able to do proper pull-ups.

[SDFlip]

Kipping pull-ups basically use momentum as a replacement for most of the muscle tension.

The only legit reason for doing kipping pull-ups is to help you work towards being able to do proper pull-ups.

no.

[Arathor]

no.

I wouldn't recommend it but if someone said they were doing them to help them work towards being able to do proper pull-ups I would accept that as a reasonable excuse

[SDFlip]

I wouldn't recommend it but if someone said they were doing them to help them work towards being able to do proper pull-ups I would accept that as a reasonable excuse

so you'd have someone not strong enough to do one strict pullup use their more powerful hips to complete the ROM?

i'd suggest the lat pulldown or an assisted pullup machine

[SquatTilYouDrop]

Kipping pull-ups basically use momentum as a replacement for most of the muscle tension.

The only legit reason for doing kipping pull-ups is to help you work towards being able to do proper pull-ups.

Seriously, the only reason I do pullups is muscle building, that's it. How many times someone swings like a monkey up and down over a bar is retarded.

Pointless and a waste of valuable time better spent building real muscle.

[Arathor]

i'd suggest the lat pulldown or an assisted pullup machine

Me too, I worded what I said really bad, what I mean is that kipping pullups have no real use for hypertrophy and the only excuse you could possibly give for doing them is helping you do pullups even though that's not really a good excuse but oh well

[SDFlip]

Me too, I worded what I said really bad, what I mean is that kipping pullups have no real use for hypertrophy and the only excuse you could possibly give for doing them is helping you do pullups even though that's not really a good excuse but oh well

ok. yes, they are not for hypertrophy.

[bevans100fitnes]

Kipping looks like when you pick a cocker spaniel up by the rope toy in his mouth, and he has a minnie seizure trying to get it back, without releasing the toy.

Powerlifters preparing to bench, now that looks like some exorcist crawl down the stairs upside down ****.

[nykwan]

I dont' care that people I know that do CF do kipping pullups. But I get annoyed cause they always seem to leave off 'kipping' when telling other how many pullups they had to do. "yeah... I did 50 pullups last night!!'

Its like the want to purposely mislead people into thinking they are doing real pullups or they are embarrassed to say they don't do strict pullups. And they do know what they are doing are kipping pullups and not real pullups, but just don't say it when trying to brag about their workouts.

[bevans100fitnes]

I feel like kipping may be unhealthy for the spine, although i would need to do more research.

[pacmantik]

I dont' care that people I know that do CF do kipping pullups. But I get annoyed cause they always seem to leave off 'kipping' when telling other how many pullups they had to do. "yeah... I did 50 pullups last night!!'

Its like the want to purposely mislead people into thinking they are doing real pullups or they are embarrassed to say they don't do strict pullups. And they do know what they are doing are kipping pullups and not real pullups, but just don't say it when trying to brag about their workouts.

Where did Kipping pull-ups come from in the first place? Rock-Climbing?

[bevans100fitnes]

Where did Kipping pull-ups come from in the first place? Rock-Climbing?

Napoleon Dynamite invented them to pass the physical fitness tests in P.E. class.

[SDFlip]

I feel like kipping may be unhealthy for the spine, although i would need to do more research.

lol

they do it in gymnastics all the time