Ronnie disses Phil and today's pros

[patroclus32]

So by that logic powerlifters are pushing themselves even further? Numbers translate into intensity now?

I was going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but this new year's eve i've decided to have zero tolerance for idiocy.

Why are you discussing powerlifters in the context of a purely bodybuilding discussion? Even if we consider your irrelevant point, what powerlifter has done the lifts that Ronnie has done at 270 sub 5% bodyfat? I'm making a point this new years to expose all jackassses on the forum

[Groggery]

Why are you discussing powerlifters in the context of a purely bodybuilding discussion?

Because some random dumbass decided that numbers equal intensity in a workout. Can you wrap your head around that now? Or must i break it down for you...

[liamcarter]

if jay comes in next olympia as a mass monster he will dwarf everyone on stage (in terms of size) now think of that..and remember that ronnie used to make jay his BI*CH for years...therefore ronnie is correct and can say whatever the phuck he wants

dwarf evrybody?? i think not.. no one aint dwarfing dennis wolf, or cedric mcmillian if he competes

[trulyhuge1]

dwarf evrybody?? i think not.. no one aint dwarfing dennis wolf, or cedric mcmillian if he competes

This!

[patroclus32]

Because some random dumbass decided that numbers equal intensity in a workout.

In terms of bodybuilders....but you can't seem to understand that? I bet freight trucks can carry more weight than powerlifters, so freight trucks must be more intense right? Now do you understand why context is important?

[Groggery]

In terms of bodybuilders....but you can't seem to understand that?

Exactly in terms of bodybuilding numbers do not mean jack ****. Are you seriously that dense son?

[patroclus32]

Exactly in terms of bodybuilding numbers do not mean jack ****. Are you seriously that dense son?

You don't think weight numbers matter at all for bodybuilders? If that's the case, why do pro's train extremely heavy, e.g. ronnie 800lb deadlift, branch 405lb inclines, evan 585lb deadlifts? If weight doesn't mean "jack ****" then surely pros would train with light weights to reduce the chance of injury. You might want to reexamine your weight lifting philosophy.

[Groggery]

Because it's easier to force tension upon the tissue through direct progressive overload a.k.a. more weight than it is to focus harder on lesser weight.

Your turn.

[orderoutofchaos]

all hail King Ronnie......the man who meticulously measures his white rice down to the singular grain, starts his rice maker and then preceeds to slab an entire bottle of bbq sauce on 2 big fatty burgers........probably 2 days before one of his epic O wins

[patroclus32]

Because it's easier to force tension upon the tissue through direct progressive overload a.k.a. more weight than it is to focus harder on lesser weight.

Your turn.

Exactly. Which is why you just proved your previous statement that weight numbers mean "jack ****" is completely erroneous.

[Hardbody316]

dwarf evrybody?? i think not.. no one aint dwarfing dennis wolf, or cedric mcmillian if he competes

dennis wolf has looked like complete crap the last few olympias..if jay comes in at 5 9 280 pounds there is nobody with as much mass as him..thats what i meant

[Groggery]

Exactly. Which is why you just proved your previous statement that weight numbers mean "jack ****" is completely erroneous.

Thus pros train heavier because it's the preferred method, still doesn't mean weight dictates intensity. The whole damn point of the argument after all.

[patroclus32]

Thus pros train heavier because it's the preferred method, still doesn't mean weight dictates intensity. The whole damn point of the argument after all.

Ok man, you can go ahead and believe that weight isn't a factor in determining workout intensity. I'm pretty sure if you ask most people what their most "intense" training day is, they are going to say deadlift or squat day and not days where they do forearm curls and calf raises. And I'm also pretty sure that the reason they will say squats or deadlifts is because of the weight being used.

[Groggery]

Looks like someone's never done slow negatives. Such a shame.

[trulyhuge1]

dennis wolf has looked like complete crap the last few olympias..if jay comes in at 5 9 280 pounds there is nobody with as much mass as him..thats what i meant

I strongly disagree. Yes, his calves are poor but he is top notch everywhere else.

[Hardbody316]

Looks like someone's never done slow negatives. Such a shame.

well if u think doing slow negatives with 10 pound dumbells is more intense than doing them with 50s nice and controlled then there is a real problem

[Hardbody316]

I strongly disagree. Yes, his calves are poor but he is top notch everywhere else.

so youre seriously going to say that a 100% wolf would outmass a 100% cutler? ok , everyone has an opinion

[Groggery]

well if u think doing slow negatives with 10 pound dumbells is more intense than doing them with 50s nice and controlled then there is a real problem

There's a difference between nice and controlled and loose. The former isn't too far off from a negative, while the latter is what meatheads keep seeing as "intensity".

[FAN0FdaSport]

I strongly disagree. Yes, his calves are poor but he is top notch everywhere else.

[Larfleeze]

I strongly disagree. Yes, his calves are poor but he is top notch everywhere else.

His hamstrings and lower back are severely underdeveloped, he has a horrible gut and his arms aren't great either..the only guy i've ever seen with both short bi insertions and zero peak

[BigNasty99]

It's funny. That article means absolutely jack ****. Phil and Kai's training styles, intensity and physiques are winning them shows in this era.

Gotta stay relevant though I guess aye Ron.

This is a ridicuous post from a well-known Phil-freak. Ronnie trying to stay relevant? Give me a break.

You make it sound like Kai and Phil are training bare minimum just to beat the weak lineup we have right now. Unfortunately we have pictures and videos of other guys to still compare them to. I never thought of bodybuilding from your perspective I guess. Since you are responsible for your own physique, and take 100% of the credit or blame for winning or losing unlike most other sports, it'd be nice to think even Phil or Kai would want to aim a little higher than just to "win shows in this era". The goal is to not only win now but be the GOAT imo. Once you get to Phil or Kai's level, why wouldn't you strive for that?

[flangmasterj]

This is a ridicuous post from a well-known Phil-freak. Ronnie trying to stay relevant? Give me a break.

Pot. Kettle.

[DPNZ]

Pot. Kettle.

Bingo.

[aussieryan]

Ok man, you can go ahead and believe that weight isn't a factor in determining workout intensity. I'm pretty sure if you ask most people what their most "intense" training day is, they are going to say deadlift or squat day and not days where they do forearm curls and calf raises. And I'm also pretty sure that the reason they will say squats or deadlifts is because of the weight being used.

I don't think he is denying at all the importance of lifting heavier, what he is saying is that just because someone lifts heavier weights does not mean they are working any more intensely than someone using lighter weights. Intensity comes down to how hard the athlete pushes themselves, going to failure, resting less, forced reps and so on.

For example I am just as exhausted if I do reps of 25 squats with a lighter weight than if I do reps with 8 at a heavier weight.

[Lvisaa2]

I don't think he is denying at all the importance of lifting heavier, what he is saying is that just because someone lifts heavier weights does not mean they are working any more intensely than someone using lighter weights. Intensity comes down to how hard the athlete pushes themselves, going to failure, resting less, forced reps and so on.

For example I am just as exhausted if I do reps of 25 squats with a lighter weight than if I do reps with 8 at a heavier weight.

Widowmakers. Dear god, they hurt

[patroclus32]

Looks like someone's never done slow negatives. Such a shame.

Looks like someone's never done heavy deadlifts.

I don't think he is denying at all the importance of lifting heavier, what he is saying is that just because someone lifts heavier weights does not mean they are working any more intensely than someone using lighter weights. Intensity comes down to how hard the athlete pushes themselves, going to failure, resting less, forced reps and so on.

For example I am just as exhausted if I do reps of 25 squats with a lighter weight than if I do reps with 8 at a heavier weight.

Yea, I agree with everything you said. I never made the statement that weight was the ONLY factor to determine if someone is training "intensely." It is one factor among others.

[babyslayer]

LMAO what ive been saying...his style BROKE him. only took 4yrs for ronnie to look like complete $$hit (after retirement).

lets be real tho, hes damn happy and so are we that he trained that way because it made him the best, he went down hill fast but at least the world got to experience ronnie coleman for what he could be instead of just "really good" and "consistent"

guys like dexter jackson who always compete and always come in looking good are great, but ronnie was the king no matter what he looks like now.

[babyslayer]

Ok man, you can go ahead and believe that weight isn't a factor in determining workout intensity. I'm pretty sure if you ask most people what their most "intense" training day is, they are going to say deadlift or squat day and not days where they do forearm curls and calf raises. And I'm also pretty sure that the reason they will say squats or deadlifts is because of the weight being used.

Looks like someone's never done slow negatives. Such a shame.

groggery, i cant tell for sure but it seems like your thinking weight doesnt have anything to do with intensity?

[trulyhuge1]

so youre seriously going to say that a 100% wolf would outmass a 100% cutler? ok , everyone has an opinion

No, strongly disagreeing with your statement about Wolf looking like crap. Has not looked like crap and has done/deserved well at the O.

[trulyhuge1]

I could post shots of any bodybuilder not looking up to par. Not sure what the point is here?
Wolf is a great bodybuilder.