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    things to add to a home-made mass gainer?

    Hi guys.. right now my shake looks like this:

    1 banana
    150g raw oats
    25g scoop of whey
    400ml of skimmed milk
    15g of peanut butter

    comes to about 1050 calories.

    about 65g protein
    140g carbs
    22g fat

    anything else I can add? to mix things up.
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    Originally Posted by MakaveliBrah View Post
    Hi guys.. right now my shake looks like this:

    1 banana
    150g raw oats
    25g scoop of whey
    400ml of skimmed milk
    15g of peanut butter

    comes to about 1050 calories.

    about 65g protein
    140g carbs
    22g fat

    anything else I can add? to mix things up.
    a teaspoon of olive oil for some fats and cals and some flax seed would be good to. I mean its already plenty high enough but I'm saying if you want to add more id add those.
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    Why not just make a milk shake: several scoops of premium ice cream and 8 ounces of whole milk?
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    Or you have a pretty good base for proats... I always enjoy eating over drinking.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Why not just make a milk shake: several scoops of premium ice cream and 8 ounces of whole milk?
    maybe he still wants to look good while bulking. ill take his quality ingredients over what you just stated any day.
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    maybe he still wants to look good while bulking. ill take his quality ingredients over what you just stated any day.

    So saying if you come out with the same amount of calories, and it's a mass gainer, you will have a different body composition? I really don't see the science behind this but do explain.
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    Originally Posted by x2lvlarcher View Post
    maybe he still wants to look good while bulking. ill take his quality ingredients over what you just stated any day.

    So saying if you come out with the same amount of calories, and it's a mass gainer, you will have a different body composition? I really don't see the science behind this but do explain.
    Same amount of calories different breakdown of macros, you could have 1000 calories in pure carbs or an even split between fats/carbs/protein. Strictly for weight it's calories in vs calories out but when you factor in muscle building, the macros come into play.
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    If you have met your macros in protein and fat.... that's when you add the mass gainer to reach your surplus why would the macro breakdown matter?
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    Guess it depends on how the op intends to use it. Seems like he's using in part to reach his protein/fat goals as well as to provide a surplus.
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    Originally Posted by x2lvlarcher View Post
    If you have met your macros in protein and fat.... that's when you add the mass gainer to reach your surplus why would the macro breakdown matter?
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Why not just make a milk shake: several scoops of premium ice cream and 8 ounces of whole milk?
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    Seems legit.
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    Originally Posted by braggable View Post
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    Seems legit.
    Lol... Don't make him break out a peer reviewed article about it bro!
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    Originally Posted by braggable View Post
    Tells someone to eat ice cream on a bodybuilding forum
    Yours is a common misunderstanding about food, but I can try to clarify.

    What's important to understand is that the name of a food isn't the determinant of it's impact on physique. Rather, the nutritional content in context of total daily intake is the governor.

    By the way, premium ice cream can be made from milk, cream, and flavorings such as fresh fruit and sugar.

    Many "bodybuilders" consume protein powders, the majority of which are derived from dairy products (milk and cream are dairy products). Many of those same bodybuilders will consume fruit too. And some even buy supplements that are primarily sugar to add to their protein shakes (dextrose comes to mind as an example).

    Now do you understand why the name of a food isn't what's important, but, rather the actual ingredients, the dose consumed and the combination of all foods as context?
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Yours is a common misunderstanding about food, but I can try to clarify.

    What's important to understand is that the name of a food isn't the determinant of it's impact on physique. Rather, the nutritional content in context of total daily intake is the governor.

    By the way, premium ice cream can be made from milk, cream, and flavorings such as fresh fruit and sugar.

    Many "bodybuilders" consume protein powders, the majority of which are derived from dairy products (milk and cream are dairy products). Many of those same bodybuilders will consume fruit too. And some even buy supplements that are primarily sugar to add to their protein shakes (dextrose comes to mind as an example).

    Now do you understand why the name of a food isn't what's important, but, rather the actual ingredients, the dose consumed and the combination of all foods as context?
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    maybe he still wants to look good while bulking. ill take his quality ingredients over what you just stated any day.
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    Originally Posted by braggable View Post
    tl dnr
    I urge you to read the post as it will help you better understand the basic concepts of nutrition.

    If you prefer to watch videos, please see:

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    Originally Posted by braggable View Post
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    Seems legit.
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    Originally Posted by WonderPug View Post
    Yours is a common misunderstanding about food, but I can try to clarify.

    What's important to understand is that the name of a food isn't the determinant of it's impact on physique. Rather, the nutritional content in context of total daily intake is the governor.

    By the way, premium ice cream can be made from milk, cream, and flavorings such as fresh fruit and sugar.

    Many "bodybuilders" consume protein powders, the majority of which are derived from dairy products (milk and cream are dairy products). Many of those same bodybuilders will consume fruit too. And some even buy supplements that are primarily sugar to add to their protein shakes (dextrose comes to mind as an example).

    Now do you understand why the name of a food isn't what's important, but, rather the actual ingredients, the dose consumed and the combination of all foods as context?
    Your 'basics of nutrition' that you regurgitate over and over is just as much bro-science as anything.

    Anyone can find an article slanting their point of view either way so most people that want to validate their advice use their PERSONAL experience.

    You never do that and just type condescending bullchit about IIFYM
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    1 cup of oats (300 cals 54 carb 10 prot
    2 Tbsp PB (190 cals 13 carb 6 protein
    24 almonds ( 170 cals 7 carb 6 protein
    1 scoop whey (110 cals 0carb 25 prot)
    1 scoop casein (120 cals 4carb 25 prot
    2 cups almond milk (200 cals 25 carbs 12 protein
    2 Tbsp. Flax (140 cals 5 EFAS)
    1 medium banana 110 cals 30 carbs

    Total 1300 cals
    134 carbs
    90 protein
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    Re: the debate that has emerged in this thread, there are two schools of thought.

    Braggable and MAX.MAREK are clearly expressing the opinion that a specific food, "premium ice cream" in this case, is "bad" or at least suboptimal for bodybuilders to consume.

    One can only presume that their objection is to the name of the food, as the ingredients contained in many premium ice creams are ingredients often consumed by bodybuilders and (from what I gather about their food consumption from their prior posts) ingredients consumed by said posters too.

    My position is that the actual ingredients contained in a food, in context of dose consumed and total daily intake, is what matters...rather than the name of the food.

    And that is the fundamental ideological difference.
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    Originally Posted by braggable View Post
    Using a slightly more complex vernacular to make yourself sound smarter is only one of the many ways by which you lose credibility with people who actually know something about this field (see also: posting obsolete articles and regurgitation of tired old diatribes).

    Also your "position" on the matter is futile as you are a pathetic old unaesthetic moron who doesn't lift.
    To an objective, intelligent reader, the delta in argument -- foundational vs. ad hominem -- is itself telling.

    Anyway, I'm not sure if you're very confused about nutrition or simply determined to mislead and insult posters, but whatever the root cause of your posts, it doesn't change the fundamental truth: the actual ingredients contained in a food, in context of dose consumed and total daily intake, is what matters...rather than the name of the food.
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    Originally Posted by braggable View Post
    Using a slightly more complex vernacular to make yourself sound smarter is only one of the many ways by which you lose credibility with people who actually know something about this field (see also: posting obsolete articles and regurgitation of tired old diatribes).

    Also your "position" on the matter is futile as you are a pathetic old unaesthetic moron who doesn't lift.
    Bodybuilders , powerlifters, and strength athletes on this site are generally don't eat ice cream? Next you will tell me not to eat steaks, the fat might ruin my gains.

    Are you guys seriously saying you would not eat ice cream ever on a bulk?
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    So I gues Manu, erick Stevens, and the solution are all doing it wrong. Those guys with terrible physiques need to learn a few things. You guys will argue wth pug about anything. Come on
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    Don't know why there's all this hate over ice cream. Add it to the shake for taste and/or hitting macros. I'd gladly take a scoop of ice cream over ground oats/almonds for taste. I'll get my fiber/whole grains elsewhere if I'm looking for a delicious shake.
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    Originally Posted by JamesMontana View Post
    Don't know why there's all this hate over ice cream.
    It's largely because some folks categorize foods as "good" or "bad" based on the name of the food, rather than the actual ingredients, the nutrition contained therein, dose consumed and context of one's total daily intake.
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    So I gues Manu, erick Stevens, and the solution are all doing it wrong. Those guys with terrible physiques need to learn a few things. You guys will argue wth pug about anything. Come on










    Max, I would really like to know why these guys manage to get much leaner than you despite eating foods that you claim have a negative impact on your physique while you look worse taking a laundry list of drugs?
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    So I gues Manu, erick Stevens, and the solution are all doing it wrong. Those guys with terrible physiques need to learn a few things.
    I think a lot of people need to learn that there's more than one path to getting results. The "bros" aren't wrong and and the "science mofos" aren't wrong. Both approaches work in isolation, mixing and matching things that appeal to you from either approach doesn't diminish results, and you have to be a pretty extreme dumb**** to fail at getting results (ie. totally neglect core concepts that are shared among all working approaches).

    The truly sad part is that science-based arguments used to be about spreading the word that traditional methods are often overcomplicated and simplifying things can improve quality of life without negatively affecting results. Now it's all about stamping out any activity that doesn't have a peer reviewed study to back it up. The obvious and predictable response is that "bros" dig in their heels and fight back even harder because the "science mofos" are so hostile.
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    Personally I'd drop the PB and use whole milk or at least 2%. Maybe add in some berries.

    Not sure why people hate on ice cream. It's really not that bad for you. People can always take things to extremes.

    A scoop of ice cream and some whole milk and some chocolate whey powder could make a killer milk shake.
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    Originally Posted by nobrah View Post
    I think a lot of people need to learn that there's more than one path to getting results. The "bros" aren't wrong and and the "science mofos" aren't wrong. Both approaches work in isolation, mixing and matching things that appeal to you from either approach doesn't diminish results, and you have to be a pretty extreme dumb**** to fail at getting results (ie. totally neglect core concepts that are shared among all working approaches).

    The truly sad part is that science-based arguments used to be about spreading the word that traditional methods are often overcomplicated and simplifying things can improve quality of life without negatively affecting results. Now it's all about stamping out any activity that doesn't have a peer reviewed study to back it up. The obvious and predictable response is that "bros" dig in their heels and fight back even harder because the "science mofos" are so hostile.
    i agree. Clearly a bro diet can have good results. In not saying anyone "should" eat ice cream. Eat how you choose but I take exception to max and brag attacking pug just because of personal vendettas. Its amusing to me that a geared up bber is going to offer advice on how people should go about their results. I get that people have different ways but to attack people for the sake of it is juvenile
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    Originally Posted by nobrah View Post
    I think a lot of people need to learn that there's more than one path to getting results. The "bros" aren't wrong and and the "science mofos" aren't wrong. Both approaches work in isolation, mixing and matching things that appeal to you from either approach doesn't diminish results, and you have to be a pretty extreme dumb**** to fail at getting results (ie. totally neglect core concepts that are shared among all working approaches).

    The truly sad part is that science-based arguments used to be about spreading the word that traditional methods are often overcomplicated and simplifying things can improve quality of life without negatively affecting results. Now it's all about stamping out any activity that doesn't have a peer reviewed study to back it up. The obvious and predictable response is that "bros" dig in their heels and fight back even harder because the "science mofos" are so hostile.
    I very much agree with this later part. I'm trying to find common ground in my approach rather than taking this stupid hard line of "science is right and if you guys who got results can't provide peer reviewed data to prove it then your approach works that makes it wrong wrong even if you got better results than me." It is a small number individuals in the community fueling this problem for their own personal ends. It does nothing but cause division and as you said makes the "bros" dig in their heels and fight back... this is an expect human response and one would hope people intelligent enough to study all of this science would also be intelligent enough to have studied basic psychology to realize this. However this does not seem to be the case.
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