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    Originally Posted by dbx View Post
    And yeah...no....nobody goes to Detroit for vacation . Know what I mean?

    Still, it's all good. I go where I choose...and so should everyone else.
    That's because detroit is truly a war zone. Stopped there last august on my way back from Cedar Point, went to the Henry Ford museum and then headed into Detroit since it's been a long time since I was last there. Didn't think it possibly could have gotten worse compared to what it was 25 yrs ago...but it has. So long as we have cities like that or Chicago with it's 500+ murders last yr we really can't point any fingers at another country for their crime rate.
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    Originally Posted by dbx View Post
    This makes ZERO sense from what you previously stated was law. Zero.
    Yea, it does in a way...Law states you can only shoot someone in your bedroom and now my friend who is an officer says, once they are in your house, just shoot them and you won't get into any problems. It's like they are just ignoring the law a bit in a sense because of so much going on locally. The police can use their own disgression which is just like car tints and seat belts. It is law that you can't have tint dark to the point where you can't see in the car and also, it is now law to wear seatbelts. Some officers will give you a ticket for it and others won't.
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    WTF are you talking about? I did not argue (it takes more than one person to form an argument) I just stated my opinion I don't need facts for an opinion.
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    I was talking about the lady you gave props to.
    Yeah I just saw that so I deleted my post, sorry man I thought you were talking about me
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    Originally Posted by XtremeOCD View Post
    Yea, it does in a way...Law states you can only shoot someone in your bedroom and now my friend who is an officer says, once they are in your house, just shoot them and you won't get into any problems. It's like they are just ignoring the law a bit in a sense because of so much going on locally. The police can use their own disgression which is just like car tints and seat belts. It is law that you can't have tint dark to the point where you can't see in the car and also, it is now law to wear seatbelts. Some officers will give you a ticket for it and others won't.
    And that right there is the issue. Allowing something like window tint to slide or not is no big deal, but to have a law restricting your ability to defend your own life from someone illegally in your own home and then leave it up to the discretion of another to pass judgement on your actions is complete BS. Fix the pathetic law or enforce it.
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    Originally Posted by bodyhard View Post
    Yeah I just saw that so I deleted my post, sorry man I thought you were talking about me
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    Originally Posted by bodyhard View Post
    I am posting on here because I was PM'ed saying that people were saying "where was I at" and why I was not posting in this thread anymore.

    Now while I don't need to answer to anyone (especially this VOXEX a$$h0Le who is insignificant to me but thinks negging me is somehow suppose to hurt me, f'cking idiot get a f'cking life outside of the internet) I will say this; What would be the point of me dragging on a discussion that 1) I already stated how I felt and 2) I will not change anyone's mind no matter what I say or vice verse?
    Lol. You're seriously going to call me out after the completely ignorant, idiotic post that started this thread? Okay, tough guy.

    As I said before, usually your posts are usually just stupid and irrelevant. But in this case you went over the top. You should go back to posting about tattoos, trying to get in fights, and whatever else you think will bolster your self-image.

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    Originally Posted by SP1966 View Post
    And that right there is the issue. Allowing something like window tint to slide or not is no big deal, but to have a law restricting your ability to defend your own life from someone illegally in your own home and then leave it up to the discretion of another to pass judgement on your actions is complete BS. Fix the pathetic law or enforce it.
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    Originally Posted by dbx View Post
    I was truly being nice, and not trying to start a "virtual war". Your statements above affirm my initial sentiments. And yeah...no....nobody goes to Detroit for vacation . Know what I mean?

    Still, it's all good. I go where I choose...and so should everyone else.
    Why you guys have to throw in Detroit , CMON some of us are Civil, jeez give a guy a break :} lol, Don`t forget Detroit is like ummmm Baghdad without all the glitter
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    Originally Posted by thomashenry View Post
    Why you guys have to throw in Detroit , CMON some of us are Civil, jeez give a guy a break :} lol, Don`t forget Detroit is like ummmm Baghdad without all the glitter

    Gee, if they only had an industry which could support a major city like the D......
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    Originally Posted by XtremeOCD View Post
    Yea, it does in a way...Law states you can only shoot someone in your bedroom and now my friend who is an officer says, once they are in your house, just shoot them and you won't get into any problems. It's like they are just ignoring the law a bit in a sense because of so much going on locally. The police can use their own disgression which is just like car tints and seat belts. It is law that you can't have tint dark to the point where you can't see in the car and also, it is now law to wear seatbelts. Some officers will give you a ticket for it and others won't.
    This ^ is much like U.S Law, actually; if a would-be burglar is shot (by you) while trying to enter your home....you shoot, kill, and then drag the body into your home to skirt local/stae laws. But lol, in your case...the bedroom? Sounds like it's meant to only let wife/husband cheaters off the hook...lofl!

    You are 35....nothing derogatory meant by that, but you will see things for yourself, soon enough...and not just through your "police" pal's eyes and perspective.
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    Lol. You're seriously going to call me out after the completely ignorant, idiotic post that started this thread? Okay, tough guy.

    As I said before, usually your posts are usually just stupid and irrelevant. But in this case you went over the top. You should go back to posting about tattoos, trying to get in fights, and whatever else you think will bolster your self-image.

    I'm kind of surprised that it took you so long to come back to this thread, knowing how much you like to argue and try to throw your weight around. But I suppose you had to complain about a few negs, since the lil' old O35 forum is probably about all you have going for you.
    LOL for someone who claims my post are stupid why do you know so much about them? You must read them, I on the other hand I have no f'cking idea who you are. It was not until I saw your neg that I noticed you, you are insignificant to me man.
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    In 2007, I escorted a fallen warrior home to Detroit. We came directly from Ramadi. Absolutely heartbreaking to see what had become of that city. I literally had and have more hope for the city of Ramadi than I do for the city of Detroit.
    Agreed completely, it's funny because on one hand you have the downtown area with the 2 ballparks and that's actually pretty nice, but go 3 minutes in any direction and it's nothing but block after block of rundown, burned out, boarded up houses and businesses. Unless someone has been to the city I believe they have no clue just how bad it is.
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    Exactly one reason why I don't own a gun. I don't need to hear any crap that I have to go to jail for shooting someone in my living room because my buddy said it would be alright. I don't need the extra stress.
    Of course the flip side is you may not live because of your choice to allow only the criminal to bear arms.

    Originally Posted by XtremeOCD View Post
    My other reasons for not owning one is I wouldnt feel comfortable with one in my house with two kids. Yea it will be locked up, but I have OCD and will worry about them somehow getting to it.
    I can respect this, though at the same time my children deserve the best protection I can provide!
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    Why you guys have to throw in Detroit , CMON some of us are Civil, jeez give a guy a break :} lol, Don`t forget Detroit is like ummmm Baghdad without all the glitter
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    Originally Posted by thomashenry View Post
    Why you guys have to throw in Detroit , CMON some of us are Civil, jeez give a guy a break :} lol, Don`t forget Detroit is like ummmm Baghdad without all the glitter
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    LOL for someone who claims my post are stupid why do you know so much about them? You must read them, I on the other hand I have no f'cking idea who you are. It was not until I saw your neg that I noticed you, you are insignificant to me man.
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    Before we get to weapons – I don’t like your notion of “law-abiding citizens”. Today we are law-abiding, tomorrow some of us can snap and become “non-law-abiding-citizens”. In fact, most of the mass murders were committed by people who were not criminals (before their act, of course). And a lot of these were committed by the guns that were owned legally. Either we trust the human nature or we don’t. If we don’t trust the government, then we don’t trust the people. So let’s not make the distinction between “good us” and “bad them”.
    Unfortunately, we not only presume people are innocent until proven guilty, but usually also presume them innocent until they actually commit a crime. You cannot begin removing people's rights based on the fear of "what they might do".


    Now to your questions. I would support re-introduction of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban targeting the use of semi-automatic firearms, those with high capacity magazines. I don’t own guns, so I cannot tell you the exact model off the top of my head. But, in my mind anything that is capable of killing a lot of people in a short amount of time. Oh, Wikipedia is my friend here:

    Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
    • Folding or telescoping stock
    • Pistol grip
    • Bayonet mount
    • Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
    None of these features help you "kill more people in a short amount of time". They are merely cosmetic features which have no bearing whatsoever on the deadliness of the weapon. This is why people who are knowledgeable about guns have such a problem with legislation which targets "cosmetic" features which have no bearing on anything at all.


    Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
    • Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
    • Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
    • Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
    • Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
    • A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
    Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
    • Folding or telescoping stock
    • Pistol grip
    • Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
    • Detachable magazine.
    Again, the weight, flash suppressor, handgrip, folding stocks, etc. do not have any bearing on the deadliness of the weapon. You are merely parroting information you've heard elsewhere, without having any knowledge on the subject. Now, it's true that a higher capacity magazine may, in fact, help you "kill more people faster" it's a negligible advantage. Any magazine at all can be swapped out in a matter of seconds. What difference does it make, for instance, if someone has one 20 round magazine or two 10 round magazines? You can carry as many as you want.



    One of the studies showed that during the above mentioned ban there was a significant drop in criminal firepower. Is that positive tendency in your opinion?

    In the above link that I have provided there are crimes listed in the state of VA (Washington Post is my local paper) that were committed with these weapons. These crimes and crimes like these can be prevented.
    "Assault Weapons", as defined by the previous ban, were only used in < 2% of all gun crimes. BY FAR the biggest issue was with handguns, and typically guns like a snub-nosed revolver. If the legislators had any intention whatsoever of targeting the legislation to reduce crime, they should have focused on the type of weapons actually used by criminals.

    Here's some FBI data on weapons used in violent crime:

    Murder statistics per the FBI for 2011:
    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...#disablemobile

    Total Murders: 12,664
    Handguns: 6,220
    Knives: 1,694
    Hands, feet, fists: 726
    Blunt Objects: 496
    Rifles: 323


    So, according to this data, you are more than twice as likely to be killed by someone's hands, feet, or fists over a rifle of any sort, much less the narrow scope of "assault rifles".

    You are over 5 times more likely to be killed by a knife than a rifle.

    You are 1.5 times more likely to be killed by a baseball bat, golf club, or some sort of blunt object than by a rifle.
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    Agreed completely, it's funny because on one hand you have the downtown area with the 2 ballparks and that's actually pretty nice, but go 3 minutes in any direction and it's nothing but block after block of rundown, burned out, boarded up houses and businesses. Unless someone has been to the city I believe they have no clue just how bad it is.
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    Since you took the time to respond, I will do likewise.




    Unfortunately, we not only presume people are innocent until proven guilty, but usually also presume them innocent until they actually commit a crime. You cannot begin removing people's rights based on the fear of "what they might do".




    None of these features help you "kill more people in a short amount of time". They are merely cosmetic features which have no bearing whatsoever on the deadliness of the weapon. This is why people who are knowledgeable about guns have such a problem with legislation which targets "cosmetic" features which have no bearing on anything at all.




    Again, the weight, flash suppressor, handgrip, folding stocks, etc. do not have any bearing on the deadliness of the weapon. You are merely parroting information you've heard elsewhere, without having any knowledge on the subject. Now, it's true that a higher capacity magazine may, in fact, help you "kill more people faster" it's a negligible advantage. Any magazine at all can be swapped out in a matter of seconds. What difference does it make, for instance, if someone has one 20 round magazine or two 10 round magazines? You can carry as many as you want.





    "Assault Weapons", as defined by the previous ban, were only used in < 2% of all gun crimes. BY FAR the biggest issue was with handguns, and typically guns like a snub-nosed revolver. If the legislators had any intention whatsoever of targeting the legislation to reduce crime, they should have focused on the type of weapons actually used by criminals.

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    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...#disablemobile

    Total Murders: 12,664
    Handguns: 6,220
    Knives: 1,694
    Hands, feet, fists: 726
    Blunt Objects: 496
    Rifles: 323
    Cars---3500....per day


    So, according to this data, you are more than twice as likely to be killed by someone's hands, feet, or fists over a rifle of any sort, much less the narrow scope of "assault rifles".

    You are over 5 times more likely to be killed by a knife than a rifle.

    You are 1.5 times more likely to be killed by a baseball bat, golf club, or some sort of blunt object than by a rifle.

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    E85 sucks ass. Worst sht I ever used in a vehicle...EVER
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    guess you've never had a turbo car? or needed to take water out of gas.
    I have a car which can burn either fuel. A 7 mpg drop seems like a piss poor tradeoff for the .30 per gallon you save. It is a sham no matter how you look at it.
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    You cannot be serious? The most worthless enterprise on this planet. 23....get back with me in 10.
    Gotta agree here, E85 is a frickin joke. use the corn to produce a fuel which costs 20% less but gets 20% less mileage...so where's the savings? And by using the corn it in turn causes food prices to increase as well.
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