My FB post on guns & civillians...

[Corbi]

E85 sucks ass. Worst sht I ever used in a vehicle...EVER

In addition it's very hard on a lot of the rubber seals used used in vehicles. But they don't like to advertise that fact.

[XtremeOCD]

This ^ is much like U.S Law, actually; if a would-be burglar is shot (by you) while trying to enter your home....you shoot, kill, and then drag the body into your home to skirt local/stae laws. But lol, in your case...the bedroom? Sounds like it's meant to only let wife/husband cheaters off the hook...lofl!

You are 35....nothing derogatory meant by that, but you will see things for yourself, soon enough...and not just through your "police" pal's eyes and perspective.

LOL! Maybe one day I'll see it . A friend of mine is from Greece. His father chased a man out of his house, shot him and dragged him back into the house in the bedroom. When the police investigated the scene and realized what was done it was too late. Guy was on the plane back to Greece! He's back now because they have tons of money and paid of the government, but I don't have that kind of money knocking around lol. I will ask my police friend tomorrow when I see him why is the law set up to where you can only shoot someone in your bedroom and let you know. I've heard the reasoning behind it before, but want 100% clarification before I post it.

Of course the flip side is you may not live because of your choice to allow only the criminal to bear arms.



I can respect this, though at the same time my children deserve the best protection I can provide!

I struggle with both of these all the time..Trust me. If my wife was a bit more for owning one, then I'd probably get one because she is another factor in the scheme of things. She's afraid of them so all I have is a cutlass and a bat at the moment lol.


Anyways guys...You'll have a good night and be safe!

[13donniedarko]

I have a car which can burn either fuel. A 7 mpg drop seems like a piss poor tradeoff for the .30 per gallon you save. It is a sham no matter how you look at it.

it is when your trying to go for cost savings in a normal car, but in performance applications e85 is great. price isn't to bad compared to 93, race gas, or aviation fuel. knock isn't a concern anymore so you can crank it till it turns into a hairdryer or run high compression ect.

[SP1966]

If I am not mistaken they are about 911,000 times safer in school.

We should just call school shootings "Very Late Term Abortions" and then we could get all the Democrats on board with more gun ownership.

On spread.

[dbx]

Gotta agree here, E85 is a frickin joke. use the corn to produce a fuel which costs 20% less but gets 20% less mileage...so where's the savings? And by using the corn it in turn causes food prices to increase as well.

It's not just that simple fact...it's the cost of what this failed product does to our economy in other forms that is even more criminal! (srs)

[mslman71]

it is when your trying to go for cost savings in a normal car, but in performance applications e85 is great. price isn't to bad compared to 93, race gas, or aviation fuel. knock isn't a concern anymore so you can crank it till it turns into a hairdryer or run high compression ect.

I spend most of my time (ie normal) in a normal truck.

Actually I drive a diesel now. F'k gas.

My last truck was an H2 and I only had to pay a few cents more on the dollar for no ethanol added gas. I went from about 10.5 MPG to 12-12.5 MPG.

[Brackneyc]

it is when your trying to go for cost savings in a normal car, but in performance applications e85 is great. price isn't to bad compared to 93, race gas, or aviation fuel. knock isn't a concern anymore so you can crank it till it turns into a hairdryer or run high compression ect.

Well, my Ford Escape was designed to be able to burn it, and it really isn't much of a performance car. E85 was/is an environmental initiative, which for it's intended purpose, is a giant failure. I understand that it is great for niche' applications, but beyond that, the average consumer knows you are money ahead to burn fossil fuel 10 out of 10 times for normal everyday city/hwy driving.

[mslman71]

If I am not mistaken they are about 911,000 times safer in school.

We should just call school shootings "Very Late Term Abortions" and then we could get all the Democrats on board with more gun ownership.

I'm "pro choice" and I approve this message.

(srs)

[Brackneyc]

It's not just that simple fact...it's the cost of what this failed product does to our economy in other forms that is even more criminal! (srs)

I never did like pumping human food into my rig.

[latebloomingmom]

I was truly being nice, and not trying to start a "virtual war". Your statements above affirm my initial sentiments. And yeah...no....nobody goes to Detroit for vacation . Know what I mean?

Still, it's all good. I go where I choose...and so should everyone else.

I think Corbi did go there on vacation

That's because detroit is truly a war zone. Stopped there last august on my way back from Cedar Point, went to the Henry Ford museum and then headed into Detroit since it's been a long time since I was last there. Didn't think it possibly could have gotten worse compared to what it was 25 yrs ago...but it has. So long as we have cities like that or Chicago with it's 500+ murders last yr we really can't point any fingers at another country for their crime rate.

yep..its a craphole

In 2007, I escorted a fallen warrior home to Detroit. We came directly from Ramadi. Absolutely heartbreaking to see what had become of that city. I literally had and have more hope for the city of Ramadi than I do for the city of Detroit.

yes and scary to drive in parts of it now

Why you guys have to throw in Detroit , CMON some of us are Civil, jeez give a guy a break :} lol, Don`t forget Detroit is like ummmm Baghdad without all the glitter

You are a michigander ( like me) and ya know we gotta claim it

[13donniedarko]

I spend most of my time (ie normal) in a normal truck.

Actually I drive a diesel now. F'k gas.

My last truck was an H2 and I only had to pay a few cents more on the dollar for no ethanol added gas. I went from about 10.5 MPG to 12-12.5 MPG.

screw diesel go bio diesel? ???? profit???

Well, my Ford Escape was designed to be able to burn it, and it really isn't much of a performance car. E85 was/is an environmental initiative, which for it's intended purpose, is a giant failure. I understand that it is great for niche' applications, but beyond that, the average consumer knows you are money ahead to burn fossil fuel 10 out of 10 times for normal everyday city/hwy driving.

I think its only gonna be an alternative to gas or a supplement. It will never replace gas but they wanna become less dependent but won't let higher mpg cars come here lol.

In addition it's very hard on a lot of the rubber seals used used in vehicles. But they don't like to advertise that fact.

idk about this, my friend has a 90s 4 banger and hes making around 550 awhp dyno proven. hes had no problems, but I think its like the synthetic in a dino oil car. if something happens they blame it on that even tho it was probably neglected and needed maintenance.

[Corbi]

I spend most of my time (ie normal) in a normal truck.

Actually I drive a diesel now. F'k gas.

My last truck was an H2 and I only had to pay a few cents more on the dollar for no ethanol added gas. I went from about 10.5 MPG to 12-12.5 MPG.

There are a few stations around which don't put any ethanol in their premium blends and both of my vehicles get upwards of 20% better mileage vs the $hit gas.

[Corbi]

idk about this, my friend has a 90s 4 banger and hes making around 550 awhp dyno proven. hes had no problems, but I think its like the synthetic in a dino oil car. if something happens they blame it on that even tho it was probably neglected and needed maintenance.

Believe it or not, makes no difference to myself but it's the truth. Hell the owners manual for my boat states "do not use ethanol blends" because it will screw with the seals. But perhaps mercury marine doesn't know wtf they are talking about?

[bodyhard]

As if I care.

Exactly...

[13donniedarko]

Believe it or not, makes no difference to myself but it's the truth. Hell the owners manual for my boat states "do not use ethanol blends" because it will screw with the seals. But perhaps mercury marine doesn't know wtf they are talking about?

seals can go eitherway, its not just gonna eat them up in a second. e85 sucks mainly because of it gumming up and absorbing moisture. this is extremely bad in carbed engines, like boat motors ect. it can clog fuel passages and even screw with the float level in the carb. this is why seafoam and fuel injector cleaner are so popular since many people are afraid to take a float bowl off or change a main and pilot jet.

[mslman71]

Thread has morphed into a discussion on fuel and fuel additives.


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[paolo59]

I don't know. I don't even start to think straight 'til I've had some gin and tonics! Most folks feel nervous with a gun around the place. Most folks don't have them! You'd think everybody did by the news. I can tell you one thing. When politicians, suck up, look for some 'face time,' and rant and rail, you'd better hang on to your wallet, and you'd better get ready to get *$&%#( up the *$#! I've got an older brother who has at least 15 handguns in his safe. Some of them are pretty cute. LOL He's got some deer hunting rifles that could do some damage! LMFAO I feel pretty good! I don't own one. They make me nervous! But I'll be damned, ($%-damned if I'll sit back and let some *%$* sucking politician play the heart strings and say who can have what!

[whatevergirl]

what is everyone's thoughts to this? if you're a gun owner, do you feel this violates your rights?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/us/new...map/index.html

[mslman71]

what is everyone's thoughts to this? if you're a gun owner, do you feel this violates your rights?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/us/new...map/index.html

I think it was a bonehead move by the paper but no, I do not see that it violates my rights. The information is public, even in my state, which is very gun friendly.

[VoxExMachina]

I think it was a bonehead move by the paper but no, I do not see that it violates my rights. The information is public, even in my state, which is very gun friendly.

Sure it's a violation. It tells future Adam Lanza's where they may want to go "shopping" for a gun.

Might as well publish people's Adjusted Gross Income, jewelry purchases, or how many kids they have (in case some kidnappers need the info).

[mslman71]

Sure it's a violation. It tells future Adam Lanza's where they may want to go "shopping" for a gun.

Might as well publish people's Adjusted Gross Income, jewelry purchases, or how many kids they have (in case some kidnappers need the info).

But that's not a protected [inalienable] right.

The paper did not violate the law so far as I can tell. They simply gathered information that was public and posted it. Jewelry purchases aren't tracked by the government. Don't get me wrong, but I'd prefer that it not be publicly available, and certainly wouldn't be opposed to making the information private, if possible.

[VoxExMachina]

But that's not a protected [inalienable] right.

The paper did not violate the law so far as I can tell. They simply gathered information that was public and posted it. Don't get me wrong, but I'd prefer that it not be publicly available, and certainly wouldn't be opposed to making the information private, if possible.

Not saying it's illegal, just irresponsible.

[mslman71]

Not saying it's illegal, just irresponsible.

I agree. WEG was asking if it violated my rights. I do not believe it does.

[whatevergirl]

I think it was a bonehead move by the paper but no, I do not see that it violates my rights. The information is public, even in my state, which is very gun friendly.

that's a good point; but i see it as the paper wanting to underscore and bring to people's attention who owns a gun. so it just seems a bit witch-huntish to me.

Sure it's a violation. It tells future Adam Lanza's where they may want to go "shopping" for a gun.

Might as well publish people's Adjusted Gross Income, jewelry purchases, or how many kids they have (in case some kidnappers need the info).

it also underscores who does NOT own a gun. so, someone who wants to break into homes and steal, rape, etc...will know that that house is NOT armed. this paper did not think this one through.

will be interesting to see how it plays out.

[mslman71]

that's a good point; but i see it as the paper wanting to underscore and bring to people's attention who owns a gun. so it just seems a bit witch-huntish to me.

it also underscores who does NOT own a gun. so, someone who wants to break into homes and steal, rape, etc...will know that that house is NOT armed. this paper did not think this one through.

will be interesting to see how it plays out.

It was a map of permit holders, not firearms owners.

[whatevergirl]

I agree. WEG was asking if it violated my rights. I do not believe it does.

why do you suppose there was such an outcry from gun owners over this? i am asking that question, sincerely. just curious as to your thoughts. you have an even keeled way of viewing things.

edit..scratch gun owners...permit holders. i thought it was the same thing, but i'm wrong in assuming that, apparently.

[VoxExMachina]

I agree. WEG was asking if it violated my rights. I do not believe it does.

Kind of a grey area. You also have a reasonable right to the the security and safety of your person. Publishing information that could make you more susceptible to crime isn't exactly kosher from that respect.

If there are any thefts as a result of that map, I'd guess we'd see some lawsuits.

[VoxExMachina]

it also underscores who does NOT own a gun. so, someone who wants to break into homes and steal, rape, etc...will know that that house is NOT armed. this paper did not think this one through.

Also a good point.

[SP1966]

what is everyone's thoughts to this? if you're a gun owner, do you feel this violates your rights?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/us/new...map/index.html

What I find ironic is the gun hating news paper hiring gun carrying security for their own protection. We have gun owning, and security protected politicians suggesting we should not have the same rights as they do to protect ourselves and our families. The outright hypocrisy and abject stupidity of the left in this country is a sight to behold.

[Corbi]

what is everyone's thoughts to this? if you're a gun owner, do you feel this violates your rights?

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/02/us/new...map/index.html

Just because it's technically legal for someone to do that, doesn't make it ethically correct. What was their point in doing that. hoping to shame gun owners?

But that's not a protected [inalienable] right.

The paper did not violate the law so far as I can tell. They simply gathered information that was public and posted it. Jewelry purchases aren't tracked by the government. Don't get me wrong, but I'd prefer that it not be publicly available, and certainly wouldn't be opposed to making the information private, if possible.

I think a lot of information shouldn't be available to the general public. In wisconsin you can go online and type in anyones name and get an entire history of their dealings with the court system. Why do you or I need to know that so & so was sued by a hospital or went thru a divorce 12 yrs ago?

Not saying it's illegal, just irresponsible.

Extremely irresponsible.