My FB post on guns & civillians...

[erinlee01]

Not even. Very simple example - you can't pay off a cop. Well, I am sure there are corrupt officers, but. When you get pulled over, you don't pull out your money. In Russia $50 will take care of
most tickets. Corruption is widespread beyond belief. Very, very different.

You don't think it is here? How about the government making a law regarding healthcare, yet exempting themselves from it? That seems pretty corrupt. If this is supposed to be the best solution for the people, why wouldn't they want it?

[13donniedarko]

Not even. Very simple example - you can't pay off a cop. Well, I am sure there are corrupt officers, but. When you get pulled over, you don't pull out your money. In Russia $50 will take care of
most tickets. Corruption is widespread beyond belief. Very, very different.

people trade sexual favors to cops, just another form of payment.

[Dave76]

I love it when people think that soldiers of the US Army wouldn't instantly obey each and every order to open fire on American citizens.

I like to think that a volunteer army wouldn't fire at American citizens. I'd also like to think that no Officer would give that command. Honestly, I do feel safe from my own military. In fact, I feel safe because of our military.

Then again, I'm sure the students at Kent State had the same thoughts. That wasn't all that long ago. The 60s were full of riots, assassinations, and all sorts of horrible things. I can remember having real discussions about whether we were headed to another revolution or not. Of course, that didn't happen but we didn't know it at the time.

[lotusdeva]

people trade sexual favors to cops, just another form of payment.

when I get pulled over, my only reaction is to pull out license and registration. Never thought about pulling down my pants

[Corbi]

Wuss.

Hell yes, I don't need black suv's pulling up in the middle of the night.

I am sorry, I started going down the list and stoped. Do you meaning what the word dissident means?

Did you actually go where I think you did? Are you claiming the murdering of so many people was just because they disagreed with their government? Funny how someone who claims to be so educated can be so damn ignorant and outright stupid.

[lotusdeva]

Hell yes, I don't need black suv's pulling up in the middle of the night.



Did you actually go where I think you did? Are you claiming the murdering of so many people was just because they disagreed with their government? Funny how someone who claims to be so educated can be so damn ignorant and outright stupid.

are u drunk?

[Marius_Ursus]

Did you actually go where I think you did? Are you claiming the murdering of so many people was just because they disagreed with their government? Funny how someone who claims to be so educated can be so damn ignorant and outright stupid.

In every society in the history of the world there have been the collective (the majority) and the individualist (the minority). The collective will mimic what they hear. They will willingly and happily strip away everyone else's rights "for the good of the nation" (or tribe or kingdom or whatever). The members of the collective will not listen to actual reason or logic. They know only propaganda and slogan, and the more you try to reason with them, the more frustrated you will become.

What the members of the collective never even stop to think about is that the only way to maintain the collective is through force. What chaps my hide more than anything else about the whole situation is that the USA used to be the last place on Earth where men like John Locke and Frederic Bastiat fantasized about in their writing. We were there. We were the ideal of liberty, but we no longer have that kind of liberty, do we? We are now subjected to the whim of the crowd, the collective, the hive. The hive who has no conscience and no heart. The hive who loves regulation and bureaucracy because it "will make us safer".

Cowards and simpletons, the whole lot.

[Corbi]

are u drunk?

I don't drink and don't appreciate you making that accusation.

[NorwichGrad]

when I get pulled over, my only reaction is to pull out license and registration. Never thought about pulling down my pants

Aha.. Good to know. Because based on your logic and 'reasoning,' gunowners are all criminals. You have implied that having guns equips us to be murderers.

Now let's use the same logic. You are a woman; therefore, you have a vagina, correct? Does having this magnificent organ 'equip' you to be a prostitute? No, of course not.

(You're not a hooker, are you?)

[SP1966]

I love it when people think that soldiers of the US Army wouldn't instantly obey each and every order to open fire on American citizens. All of us smart and reasonable gun-control advocates know for a fact that every single one of them would. Please don't bring up how people in Afghanistan with limited access to firearms have been able to successfully fend off both the Russians and now our own army. Some facts probably should be ignored and that sure is one of them.

So, for the record:
1) Once people join the military they are turned into mindless robots who obey all orders and would shoot their own mothers
2) There is no country called "Afghanistan" and if someone mentions it, they're just making silly stuff up (like, come on, has anyone ever really been to this fairy tale land? NO). Same with any other fantasy stories about poorly-armed but resilient people successfully defending their homelands from a far more powerful occupying force. It's never happened in all of history you dopes, the jokes on YOU!

So, all your crazy gun advocates, there is no purpose in the world to own firearms. Give it up already and give up your guns. If you do that, so will the criminals and then there will never be any more gun-related crimes, ever.

There comes a point when a post can be so chock full of sarcasm that it must be re-read multiple times in an attempt to decipher if the poster is flat out stupid or just went overboard with sarcasm...

[SP1966]

Aha.. Good to know. Because based on your logic and 'reasoning,' gunowners are all criminals. You have implied that having guns equips us to be murderers.

Now let's use the same logic. You are a woman; therefore, you have a vagina, correct? Does having this magnificent organ 'equip' you to be a prostitute? No, of course not.

(You're not a hooker, are you?)

Doubt it. Hookers are independent business women, that requires both a vagina and a brain.

[Ikeman83]

Back when the amendment was drafted, the people were able to own the same weapons as the military. Now, we can't even come close.

Our founding fathers would have pushed for revolution long before now. I'm fairly confident they would be horrified at the state of the country right now. And horrified that Americans have willingly given up much of what they fought to give us.

I though I quoted your post about infringing on others right. If you are pushing for increased gun control based on your OPINION, you are infringing on your fellow Americans rights with nothing more than an opinion. You think that's OK?

You really can not be so clueless as to not see this.

Not to nit-pick, but private citizens didn't have access to cannons at the time of the authoring of the Constitution. Note that this in no way harms your argument, as no one is calling for citizens to have access to 155mm howitzers or nuclear weapons.

[alkemyst]

Not to nit-pick, but private citizens didn't have access to cannons at the time of the authoring of the Constitution. Note that this in no way harms your argument, as no one is calling for citizens to have access to 155mm howitzers or nuclear weapons.

Some private citizens did have cannons.

[VoxExMachina]

Not to nit-pick, but private citizens didn't have access to cannons at the time of the authoring of the Constitution. Note that this in no way harms your argument, as no one is calling for citizens to have access to 155mm howitzers or nuclear weapons.

I'm pretty sure private merchant vessels were armed with all sorts of cannon and swivel guns during that period. Who do you think owned all the weaponry that we used against the British?

[so-tex]

Aha.. Good to know. Because based on your logic and 'reasoning,' gunowners are all criminals. You have implied that having guns equips us to be murderers.

Now let's use the same logic. You are a woman; therefore, you have a vagina, correct? Does having this magnificent organ 'equip' you to be a prostitute? No, of course not.

(You're not a hooker, are you?)

Great analogy. I was going reply to the same post, but it would have been rather crude.

[XtremeOCD]

There is absolutely no reason any civilian should have access to an automatic weapon, NONE. Why the f'ck would a mom want to purchase the type of guns this woman had? Why, for what? To hunt? What the f'ck was she planning on hunting 1000 ducks? 100 deers, WHAT? Why would any civilian need a gun that can shoot multiple bullets within seconds? If you want a gun to protect your home, get a revolver or a shotgun/rifle why would you need an AK47 or a glock? Who do you think is going to break into your home, the army? Wake the f'ck up people, there is no need for any person to own any kind of automatic weapon, there is absolutely no reason, NONE, any civilian should own a automatic or semi-automatic gun, none. These guns are made to kill period. I do however understand owning a hand gun (revolver) or shotgun/rifle in your home or place of business for protection. F'ck the second amendment/right to bear arms, the people who wrote it (and the ones who protect/believe in it) are f'cking dumb retarded motherf'ckers that should have THEIR children killed with an automatic weapon, maybe see first hand what that kind of gun does to the head of a child.

That is how I feel, you guys can carry on, on why you believe people should have the right and argue till your face turn blue.

Our laws here are:

- No automatic weapons

-No handguns (without a special license which is rare). Off duty police can't even carry theirs.

- No BB guns or paintball guns are allowed either. You will be arrested.

- Only guns at a certain length can be purchased and licensed here (forgot the length but shotgun territory)

- You cannot take a newly purchased gun home until you have your safe installed securely in your home and it has been inspected.

- If you say in you application you want the gun for protection, you are denied your license. You have to say it is for game shooting.

- Your gun can't be loaded ever and the only time you can shoot a person is if they are in your bedroom only. If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them in your living room, you are screwed.

- Anyone caught with a handgun gets 3 years automatically and a year for each bullet they have.

- If you transport your gun to a shooting range, it has to be empty, in a case and bullets stowed separately.

I have a few police friends, but one in particular is a high ranking officer (25 years on the force and in a special unit). We talk basically everyday and when he is on duty, he stops to my house and checks it out. If he is off and he l ows I'm away he will send patrol cars to check my place. With all of these laws in place which are enforced, he said that it would amaze the general public to know what is on our streets illegally. They have even confiscated last year a handgun with Belgium engraved on it that was fully automatic and used ak47 bullets. Blew their minds so no matter what laws are in place, people find ways to beat the system and only so much you can do. Personally, I've never owned or shot a firearm in my life. All I have is a bat here and that's it.

[Corbi]

I want a cannon, and a gatlin gun and a thermonuclear device A howitzer would be cool to own as well, and can I add a couple grenade mortars, a LAWS rocket and a half dozen RPG's to my wish list? hell I see dirtbags and little kids with RPG's in pics out of countries like Syria, why can't I own one?

[lotusdeva]

I don't drink and don't appreciate you making that accusation.

and I don't appreciate your comments. So you get what you give

[Corbi]

Our laws here are:

- No automatic weapons

-No handguns (without a special license which is rare). Off duty police can't even carry theirs.

- No BB guns or paintball guns are allowed either. You will be arrested.

- Only guns at a certain length can be purchased and licensed here (forgot the length but shotgun territory)

- You cannot take a newly purchased gun home until you have your safe installed securely in your home and it has been inspected.

- If you say in you application you want the gun for protection, you are denied your license. You have to say it is for game shooting.

- Your gun can't be loaded ever and the only time you can shoot a person is if they are in your bedroom only. If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them in your living room, you are screwed.

- Anyone caught with a handgun gets 3 years automatically and a year for each bullet they have.

- If you transport your gun to a shooting range, it has to be empty, in a case and bullets stowed separately.

Sucks overall but at least you guys have nice weather going for you That's something the Brits can't claim.

[Corbi]

and I don't appreciate your comments. So you get what you give

I disagree with your ridiculous stance and arguments on gun control and you respond by calling me an alcoholic?

I'm going to be 100% real here, you are a kunt.

[bzman]

Sucks overall but at least you guys have nice weather going for you That's something the Brits can't claim.

Why does that suck? It all sounds pretty fair to me and makes sense. Almost keeps everyone safe

[alkemyst]

Why does that suck? It all sounds pretty fair to me and makes sense. Almost keeps everyone safe

Terrance and Phillip FTW

[XtremeOCD]

Sucks overall but at least you guys have nice weather going for you That's something the Brits can't claim.

Haha! You know, we use to be under the British until the 1970's when we became Independant. Not sure how 'independant'' we actually are because the governer general still reports to the queen and her face is still on our money, but yea...Our weather rocks!

[superman713]

Why does that suck? It all sounds pretty fair to me and makes sense. Almost keeps everyone safe

WHAT!?!?!?!?!? It keeps the criminals safe because the law abiding citizens are not armed. Did you midd the point about what the police find on the streets from criminals???

[bodyhard]

I am posting on here because I was PM'ed saying that people were saying "where was I at" and why I was not posting in this thread anymore.

Now while I don't need to answer to anyone (especially this VOXEX a$$h0Le who is insignificant to me but thinks negging me is somehow suppose to hurt me, f'cking idiot get a f'cking life outside of the internet) I will say this; What would be the point of me dragging on a discussion that 1) I already stated how I felt and 2) I will not change anyone's mind no matter what I say or vice verse?

Although after reading this drawn out thread, a lot of people have made some really good points on both fronts and I also want to give props to lotsudeva for standing your ground although most here are against you, big ups!

[geer_matt]

Dam, this thing is still going? I was just going stay out of this thread but now its kind of epic

[so-tex]

Worth a re-post to those who still don't get it. Again, the reason Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world.

[lotusdeva]

Ok, let's approach this from another angle:

1. What weapons do law-abiding citizens have access to today that you think they should not be allowed to own? (Give a specific example of brand/model and not some generic thing like "assault weapon" that you've heard from the media).

2. Describe what features of that weapon you think make it such that law-abiding citizens shouldn't be allowed to own it.

3. Describe what positive effect you think banning that specific weapon will have.


If you can't answer any of these in a logical manner, I'm going to assume that you don't know what you're talking about and are just trolling this thread.

Before we get to weapons – I don’t like your notion of “law-abiding citizens”. Today we are law-abiding, tomorrow some of us can snap and become “non-law-abiding-citizens”. In fact, most of the mass murders were committed by people who were not criminals (before their act, of course). And a lot of these were committed by the guns that were owned legally. Either we trust the human nature or we don’t. If we don’t trust the government, then we don’t trust the people. So let’s not make the distinction between “good us” and “bad them”.

Now to your questions. I would support re-introduction of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban targeting the use of semi-automatic firearms, those with high capacity magazines. I don’t own guns, so I cannot tell you the exact model off the top of my head. But, in my mind anything that is capable of killing a lot of people in a short amount of time. Oh, Wikipedia is my friend here:

Semi-automatic rifles able to accept detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Bayonet mount
• Flash suppressor, or threaded barrel designed to accommodate one
• Grenade launcher (more precisely, a muzzle device that enables launching or firing rifle grenades, though this applies only to muzzle mounted grenade launchers and not those mounted externally).

Semi-automatic pistols with detachable magazines and two or more of the following:
• Magazine that attaches outside the pistol grip
• Threaded barrel to attach barrel extender, flash suppressor, handgrip, or suppressor
• Barrel shroud that can be used as a hand-hold
• Unloaded weight of 50 oz (1.4 kg) or more
• A semi-automatic version of a fully automatic firearm.
Semi-automatic shotguns with two or more of the following:
• Folding or telescoping stock
• Pistol grip
• Fixed capacity of more than 5 rounds
• Detachable magazine.

One of the studies showed that during the above mentioned ban there was a significant drop in criminal firepower. Is that positive tendency in your opinion?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...012203452.html

In the above link that I have provided there are crimes listed in the state of VA (Washington Post is my local paper) that were committed with these weapons. These crimes and crimes like these can be prevented.

I voiced my opinion when this thread was just started because what happened to those poor children is absolutely horrible and it touched something in me and, I am sure, in many here (OP included) , something very deep inside. I don’t usually get into political discussions on forums. I joined BB to talk about my diet and workout, as I am pretty new to it. So I don’t have any intention to troll anything. I feel strongly about this and I have a right to do so, just as anyone else. I will be honest here - usually, you read about a tragedy, death and you feel bad, but then it goes away (maybe I have grown to be very insencitive). But this, I can't get it out of my heart and mind. Just can't. That's why I posted.

[so-tex]

As strongly as I disagree with you on the original issue, I have to give props to this post.

Why? Just more drivel from the OP.

[dbx]

Our laws here are:

- No automatic weapons

-No handguns (without a special license which is rare). Off duty police can't even carry theirs.

- No BB guns or paintball guns are allowed either. You will be arrested.

- Only guns at a certain length can be purchased and licensed here (forgot the length but shotgun territory)

- You cannot take a newly purchased gun home until you have your safe installed securely in your home and it has been inspected.

- If you say in you application you want the gun for protection, you are denied your license. You have to say it is for game shooting.

- Your gun can't be loaded ever and the only time you can shoot a person is if they are in your bedroom only. If someone breaks into your house and you shoot them in your living room, you are screwed.

- Anyone caught with a handgun gets 3 years automatically and a year for each bullet they have.

- If you transport your gun to a shooting range, it has to be empty, in a case and bullets stowed separately.

I have a few police friends, but one in particular is a high ranking officer (25 years on the force and in a special unit). We talk basically everyday and when he is on duty, he stops to my house and checks it out. If he is off and he l ows I'm away he will send patrol cars to check my place. With all of these laws in place which are enforced, he said that it would amaze the general public to know what is on our streets illegally. They have even confiscated last year a handgun with Belgium engraved on it that was fully automatic and used ak47 bullets. Blew their minds so no matter what laws are in place, people find ways to beat the system and only so much you can do. Personally, I've never owned or shot a firearm in my life. All I have is a bat here and that's it.

Your laws might be well intentioned, because your crime rates suck. As far as places for U.S. citizens to stay clear from (talking vacation here....and why else whould anyone want to go there, lol)? Yep, yours would be on my list.

http://www.caribbean360.com/index.ph...#axzz2Gy2aGqlW

And that's just5 from last year.

I am posting on here because I was PM'ed saying that people were saying "where was I at" and why I was not posting in this thread anymore.

Only dumb a$$es didn't "know where you were at"

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