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    Originally Posted by LegosInMyEgos View Post
    Most "optimal" for what?
    For the hypertrophies of course.
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    Originally Posted by greekmanman View Post
    lol this is going places now.

    The only difference between what I run is that the exercises are cut down; 2 for 3 sets each instead of 3 for 2 sets each. I have to look again but other than that I don't recall a difference other than maybe exercise selection, due to preference.

    Also, lifetime natty here and would be willing to be tested whenever, whereever; urine, blood, hair follice whatever is most stringent. When I compete in 2014 I'll be competing in the IFPA most likely and will be willing to pay for my own drug testing.
    so you essentially run a completely different program then him with different exercise selection with maybe the same type of upper lower fullbody/ power hypertrophy whatever....yet still made gains despite not using his most optimal rep range, and exercise selection which just proves the point i was trying to make before, exercise often eat big and you'll make gains....

    EK could have ran laynes program...ate at a 2k calorie surplus and progressively overloaded his body in the gym and he would have had similar results...
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    Originally Posted by Dano85 View Post
    so you essentially run a completely different program then him with different exercise selection with maybe the same type of upper lower fullbody/ power hypertrophy whatever....yet still made gains despite not using his most optimal rep range, and exercise selection which just proves the point i was trying to make before, exercise often eat big and you'll make gains....

    EK could have ran laynes program...ate at a 2k calorie surplus and progressively overloaded his body in the gym and he would have had similar results...
    LJ uses the same rep ranges from what I remember and as I said multiple times, exercise selection is up to you as long as you're replacing the exercises in the program with exercises that fall under the same movement pattern so you're just picking at straws now.

    By the way, nobody is arguing that you won't make gains on PHAT, SS, etc. You just won't make optimal gains.
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    Originally Posted by NZninja101 View Post
    For the hypertrophies of course.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Mostly resting in between sets.

    If you believe that to be the case, I challenge you to find me pictures of a natural on one of those programs who can match my one year progress. Also, find me pictures of a natural on one of those programs who can match Greekmanman's 2.5 year progress. Like I said in the video I posted a few posts back, you just do not get these results on programs like SS.
    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    LJ uses the same rep ranges from what I remember and as I said multiple times, exercise selection is up to you as long as you're replacing the exercises in the program with exercises that fall under the same movement pattern so you're just picking at straws now.

    By the way, nobody is arguing that you won't make gains on PHAT, SS, etc. You just won't make optimal gains.
    you are the one arguing it, and the word you use to define optimal refers only to the gains you made as optimal, you seem to be under the influence no one has ever in the histroy of the world made gains like you have over the last year on your own program...

    the word optimal will be different for every individual it doesnt even make sense for you to suggest that every person would make the best gains judged by what there genetic potential as a natural novice/beginner trainee using your program and your program alone...when people invariably will respond differently to different types of training...
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    Originally Posted by Dano85 View Post
    you are the one arguing it, and the word you use to define optimal refers only to the gains you made as optimal, you seem to be under the influence no one has ever in the histroy of the world made gains like you have over the last year on your own program...

    the word optimal will be different for every individual it doesnt even make sense for you to suggest that every person would make the best gains judged by what there genetic potential as a natural novice/beginner trainee using your program and your program alone...when people invariably will respond differently to different types of training...
    No, the word "optimal" has the same meaning for everybody:

    optimal (adj) - most favorable or desirable; best

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    Originally Posted by Dano85 View Post
    you are the one arguing it, and the word you use to define optimal refers only to the gains you made as optimal, you seem to be under the influence no one has ever in the histroy of the world made gains like you have over the last year on your own program...

    the word optimal will be different for every individual it doesnt even make sense for you to suggest that every person would make the best gains judged by what there genetic potential as a natural novice/beginner trainee using your program and your program alone...when people invariably will respond differently to different types of training...
    The concept of elevated protein synthesis is meaningless in the context he is aruging it.

    You can take a ****load of corticosteriods and then when the effects wore off, there would be a compensatory MASSIVE increase in synthesis of protein in your body.

    When you break down more proteins, its obvious that you're gonna have rebuild those proteins, but that doesn't guarantee a greater NET effect.

    SAID principle and progressive overload are the 2 most important factors by a long shot here, and everyone else is a long second.
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    Originally Posted by LegosInMyEgos View Post
    There is literally no reason at all to throw in so much isolation work at the cost of valuable compound movements, especially in a beginner who this is supposed to be geared towards.
    I agree with this. Not sure what the OP is going for, but it would be better if the newbie lifter focused on only a few compound movements. Someone recently said that if you do more exercises and fewer sets, you'd recover faster as compared to if you did fewer exercises and more sets. Not sure if broscience.
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    Originally Posted by -Lucifer View Post
    I agree with this. Not sure what the OP is going for, but it would be better if the newbie lifter focused on only a few compound movements.
    Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
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    Originally Posted by LegosInMyEgos View Post
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    Originally Posted by acrawlingchaos View Post
    Right think. I fully appreciate the science when it comes to training. I also appreciate that everyone will invariable have an opinion based on personal research, sources used and personal experience. So yes IMO;

    . It would seem "out of place" to have isolation work or higher rep range work on "power day".
    . Power day should be focused, on well... power.
    . You can get better work, with fewer movements with increased volume per movements on tension days.

    . I believe the following changes could make the program "flow" better, and make it less cumbersome.

    Yes these are opinions. My apologies... I didn't realize that you were not up for discussing the program. I wish you and your program the best.

    Good Luck with all your fitness goals in 2013.
    One of the things he's put forward from the start of KOHT V2 is that the program is strongly geared towards the concept of 3x per week frequency. How is it going to hit that frequency if you take the isolation exercises out of the power days, hmm? Yes, progressive overload is important but it's still possible with some added isolation exercises; it's more important to have the frequency there as well. I am not saying frequency is more important than progressive overload btw, but you can have progressive overload and frequency go hand in hand.

    As for your thoughts about power days being strictly power days; this is a hypertrophy program. The power days are not there to get stronger; they're there for the frequency and to help prevent stalling while progressively overloading. He explains all of this in the video quite intently. Not sure how a lot of you guys here haven't taken the concept of the program in yet.
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    Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
    "I believe one reason that many young lifters are all over the map in their lifting is because they read a lot of bodybuilding material and believe they need to hit every muscle from every angle in order to look massive and get strong. This simply isn’t the case. Now I do believe there is some merit to hitting body parts at different angles for the advanced competitive bodybuilder (if you don’t fit that description, you shouldn’t be worrying about these things). To have a very full, completely developed physique capable of winning competitive bodybuilding shows, you can’t really narrow down your entire lifting to squats, benches, deadlifts, and chin-ups. You have to do calf raises, too."

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    That's just one article. I would post a few more, but I'm too lazy to do so. That article happened to be on the top of my bookmark list. There's a reason why these newbie programmes focus on the 'big lifts' (squat/bench press/deadlift/ohp/pullup/dip/row), while limiting the isolation work.

    That being said, I'm not saying your programme is bad or anything, so I hope you weren't offended.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Do you have any evidence to back up this claim?
    "Newbies" have a difficult time with neural efficiency, poor motor skills, balance, etc. A novice that concentrates on the proper form, body mechanics, etc, will have a strong carry over when try something a little more "complex".

    You consistently mention the importance of form, (and since we are throwing personal achievement in here), and you don't even have the mind muscle connection perform a proper squat. You've rushed into something that your body isn't prepared for.

    I would rather see a basic 3x10 of someone doing goblet squats to depth, then seeing someone pump out a load of useless movements done improperly.

    Originally Posted by acrawlingchaos View Post
    . It would seem "out of place" to have isolation work or higher rep range work on "power day".
    . Power day should be focused, on well... power.
    . You can get better work, with fewer movements with increased volume per movements on tension days.
    . I believe the following changes could make the program "flow" better, and make it less cumbersome.
    Originally Posted by greekmanman View Post
    The only difference between what I run is that the exercises are cut down; 2 for 3 sets each instead of 3 for 2 sets each. I have to look again but other than that I don't recall a difference other than maybe exercise selection, due to preference.
    So basically you ran a program that was like his, but with the suggested changes I made.
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    Originally Posted by -Lucifer View Post
    "I believe one reason that many young lifters are all over the map in their lifting is because they read a lot of bodybuilding material and believe they need to hit every muscle from every angle in order to look massive and get strong. This simply isn’t the case. Now I do believe there is some merit to hitting body parts at different angles for the advanced competitive bodybuilder (if you don’t fit that description, you shouldn’t be worrying about these things). To have a very full, completely developed physique capable of winning competitive bodybuilding shows, you can’t really narrow down your entire lifting to squats, benches, deadlifts, and chin-ups. You have to do calf raises, too."

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    That's just one article. I would post a few more, but I'm too lazy to do so. That article happened to be on the top of my bookmark list. There's a reason why these newbie programmes focus on the 'big lifts' (squat/bench press/deadlift/ohp/pullup/dip/row), while limiting the isolation work.

    That being said, I'm not saying your programme is bad or anything, so I hope you weren't offended.
    First of all, this is anecdotal evidence and I don't see why this gentleman's opinion means anything on this topic.

    You are correct though; most other programs prescribe the template that you mentioned. That is also why all of those programs offer suboptimal results.

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    "Newbies" have a difficult time with neural efficiency, poor motor skills, balance, etc. A novice that concentrates on the proper form, body mechanics, etc, will have a strong carry over when try something a little more "complex".

    You consistently mention the importance of form, (and since we are throwing personal achievement in here), and you don't even have the mind muscle connection perform a proper squat. You've rushed into something that your body isn't prepared for.

    I would rather see a basic 3x10 of someone doing goblet squats to depth, then seeing someone pump out a load of useless movements done improperly.
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    Originally Posted by BradCathie View Post
    One of the things he's put forward from the start of KOHT V2 is that the program is strongly geared towards the concept of 3x per week frequency. How is it going to hit that frequency if you take the isolation exercises out of the power days, hmm? Yes, progressive overload is important but it's still possible with some added isolation exercises; it's more important to have the frequency there as well. I am not saying frequency is more important than progressive overload btw, but you can have progressive overload and frequency go hand in hand.
    .... Umm... you can still have a 3x frequency with the changes I made. (upper/lower/upper/lower/fullbody). I never suggested he change frequency. Isolation movements have nothing to do with frequency.

    As for your thoughts about power days being strictly power days; this is a hypertrophy program. The power days are not there to get stronger; they're there for the frequency and to help prevent stalling while progressively overloading. He explains all of this in the video quite intently. Not sure how a lot of you guys here haven't taken the concept of the program in yet.
    Have you gone full retard? A power days is a power days is a power day. Idgaf if it's a power or a hypertrophy program, the purpose is the same. OP added power because if you lift more weight on power days, you will be able to lift more on tension days.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
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    You are starting to come across more like them every day.

    You're the one that brought in personal achievement as proof of efficacy, not me. You did that the very first post ITT. If you are going to claim that a program is the best to offer based on personal experience, I would think it pertinent that you would be able to properly execute the movements.

    Let me ask you this? Are you recommending that everyone squat in the same manner as you? Is that the most optimal way? If I was a novice, and didn't know better, I would do them the same way I saw you do them.

    I don't think it's broscience to suggest that someone go through a training period where they learn proper execution, build mind muscle connection and increase neural efficiency. This makes for a much more logical approach.
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    Originally Posted by acrawlingchaos View Post
    .... Umm... you can still have a 3x frequency with the changes I made. (upper/lower/upper/lower/fullbody). I never suggested he change frequency. Isolation movements have nothing to do with frequency.
    Umm, isolation exercises hit the muscles that aren't targeted through the compound/power movements and thus they're necessary, otherwise each muscle wouldn't be targeted 3x a week which is the point of the program. Upper and lower aren't muscles or muscle groups. Just because you're hitting that half of your body, it doesn't mean you're hitting each muscle 3x a week. It's really not that hard to understand.

    Have you gone full retard? A power days is a power days is a power day. Idgaf if it's a power or a hypertrophy program, the purpose is the same. OP added power because if you lift more weight on power days, you will be able to lift more on tension days.
    Herp derp, that's what I meant when I said to prevent stalling, there's more than one way to say things, brah.

    Btw, I agree that a beginner needs to have proper form first and they should get the compounds down (I almost always suggest trying Babylover's SS first until they're comfortable with compound lifts). HOWEVER, that doesn't mean KOHT's principles and effectiveness are wrong; you can't dismantle a program because beginners are too lazy or uninspired to learn how to complete exercises effectively from the beginning; that can be a problem with any program, not just KOHT.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    First of all, this is anecdotal evidence and I don't see why this gentleman's opinion means anything on this topic.
    LOL...

    Article that Lucifer posted author is Paul Carter...creator of Lift, Run, Bang. a competition powerlifter and elitefts athlete.


    KOHT is created by a 16 year old kid that went through puberty while eatting in a surplus and partial squats 280lbs like a boss.


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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    LOL...

    Article that Lucifer posted author is Paul Carter...creator of Lift, Run, Bang. a competition powerlifter and elitefts athlete.
    [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-5rc7MAiq3LY/TuTrNLvQ4HI/AAAAAAAAANw/_0MRfQfKqc0/s1600/pcfb1.jpg[img]

    KOHT is created by a 16 year old kid that went through puberty while eatting in a surplus and partial squats 280lbs like a boss.
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    I'd much rather take advise from the big dude who actually looks like he lifts.


    Strong comparing a picture of a gentleman who's likely been lifting for years and isn't natural to a picture of me from nearly a year ago.

    Anecdotal evidence means nothing when it comes to the efficacy of my program but if you want to go that route - post a picture of this dude when he had been lifting for one year. That would be a fairer comparison, and I highly doubt that he'd be able to match my progress.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    Strong comparing a picture of a gentleman who's likely been lifting for years and isn't natural to a pic of me from nearly a year ago.

    Anecdotal evidence means nothing when it comes to the efficacy of my program but if you want to go that route - post a picture of this dude when he had been lifting for one year. That would be a fairer comparison, and I highly doubt that he'd be able to match my progress.
    Just because you have made good progress doesn't mean you know enough to create your own 'programme'. Not trying to be rude; I couldn't think of a nicer way to say that.

    As for the anecdotal evidence posted... who would you rather listen to - Arnold or some 120 lb scientist with a bunch of studies?
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post


    Strong comparing a picture of a gentleman who's likely been lifting for years and isn't natural to a picture of me from nearly a year ago.

    Anecdotal evidence means nothing when it comes to the efficacy of my program but if you want to go that route - post a picture of this dude when he had been lifting for one year. That would be a fairer comparison, and I highly doubt that he'd be able to match my progress.
    Paul Carter IS a natty powerlifter.

    Would you listen to me or Arnold?

    Like it or not... experience matters in this sport and life in general. So the guys that are big and strong and lift a chit ton of weight are the guys that people actually listen to and follow for advise. So people like Jim Wendler, Dave Tate, Donny Shankle, Ripptoe, etc...over people like you. Now run this program for years, win or place in a few competition and then maybe you'll be at their level.

    No company is going to hire a 21 year old freshly graduated college student to be a CEO of their company for the same reason... experience.
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    Just saw this program.

    10 out of 10 for principle. The idea of 3x a week frequency is often overlooked and would indeed be very optimal. I think it would make for some good 'lean' gains.

    2 out of 10 for exercise selection. This is where it falls down IMO. I think you'd be better of just picking one exercise per movement and doing 50-100 reps with it rather than doing 20 of this, 20 of that and 20 of the other. As others have said, I think that striving to improve your form and proficiency in one exercise variant is better in the long run than doing numerous versions of the same movement.

    How do you know which ones are working? You surely won't. Running this program will unfortunately teach you nothing about exercises and their effects. You will only learn about the net effect of the program which makes it educationally almost void.

    I am surprised you are a natty. It seems that almost like a light switch was flicked, you became twice the size by going from 2x-3x a week frequency. That's quite something, and I'm sure my eyebrows weren't the only ones raised, but as we are all innocent until proven otherwise, I sincerely congratulate you on how far your physique has come. Perhaps I underestimate the hormonal boost puberty can give. For a person of my age, chemical assistance would almost certainly be required to match that. Anyway, well done.
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    Originally Posted by BradCathie View Post
    Umm, isolation exercises hit the muscles that aren't targeted through the compound/power movements and thus they're necessary, otherwise each muscle wouldn't be targeted 3x a week which is the point of the program. Upper and lower aren't muscles or muscle groups. Just because you're hitting that half of your body, it doesn't mean you're hitting each muscle 3x a week. It's really not that hard to understand.
    Strong understanding of what a compound movement is. Just because you don't do isolation work every time you lift doesn't mean you are not working it. With all the back and chest work on "POWER" day, he is working all his shoulders and arms as well. While I like a x2 or x3 frequency, I disagree with the sentiment that a novice needs more than one day a week of direct arm work.

    Herp derp, that's what I meant when I said to prevent stalling, there's more than one way to say things, brah.

    Btw, I agree that a beginner needs to have proper form first and they should get the compounds down (I almost always suggest trying Babylover's SS first until they're comfortable with compound lifts). HOWEVER, that doesn't mean KOHT's principles and effectiveness are wrong; you can't dismantle a program because beginners are too lazy or uninspired to learn how to complete exercises effectively from the beginning; that can be a problem with any program, not just KOHT.
    So you are calling the creator of the program uninspired and lazy? That's the type of person you want writing a program for you? I am not dismantling the program based on his experience, Eric is the one trying to use anecdotal evidence to support his work. Either you use anecodotal evidence to support what you have accomplished, or you don't. You don't get to pick and chose.

    For a condescending phaggot... you have no clue wtf you're talking about.

    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    Paul Carter IS a natty powerlifter.

    Would you listen to me or Arnold?

    Like it or not... experience matters in this sport and life in general. So the guys that are big and strong and lift a chit ton of weight are the guys that people actually listen to and follow for advise. So people like Jim Wendler, Dave Tate, Donny Shankle, Ripptoe, etc...over people like you. Now run this program for years, win or place in a few competition and then maybe you'll be at their level.

    No company is going to hire a 21 year old freshly graduated college student to be a CEO of their company for the same reason... experience.
    This. Eric, can't show photos of what you accomplished as proof of efficacy and in the same breath discredit others accomplishments as signs of their success. That's not the way it works. You don't show proficiency in your own exercise selection.

    Anecdotally I wouldn't follow based off your poorly reported results. From an ease of use, I wouldn't follow the program it either. Simply because you make a sweeping claim that it is optimal (i.e. the best), I wouldn't follow your program. The best truly is subjective, and anyhow claiming to have found the holy grail is nothing but a fast talking salesman. The best you seem to do when confronted with a serious question is GIF away. I guess what I'm saying is, you lack credibility, and your attitude just lends to it.






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    Originally Posted by GinjaNinja85 View Post
    Just saw this program.

    10 out of 10 for principle. The idea of 3x a week frequency is often overlooked and would indeed be very optimal. I think it would make for some good 'lean' gains.

    2 out of 10 for exercise selection. This is where it falls down IMO. I think you'd be better of just picking one exercise per movement and doing 50-100 reps with it rather than doing 20 of this, 20 of that and 20 of the other. As others have said, I think that striving to improve your form and proficiency in one exercise variant is better in the long run than doing numerous versions of the same movement.

    How do you know which ones are working? You surely won't. Running this program will unfortunately teach you nothing about exercises and their effects. You will only learn about the net effect of the program which makes it educationally almost void.

    I am surprised you are a natty. It seems that almost like a light switch was flicked, you became twice the size by going from 2x-3x a week frequency. That's quite something, and I'm sure my eyebrows weren't the only ones raised, but as we are all innocent until proven otherwise, I sincerely congratulate you on how far your physique has come. Perhaps I underestimate the hormonal boost puberty can give. For a person of my age, chemical assistance would almost certainly be required to match that. Anyway, well done.
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    Originally Posted by acrawlingchaos View Post
    And it's cute how your lacky came in to protect you. I almost didn't recognize "Brad and Cathy", the couple that sent you a question. It so cute that you even have "plants" to talk about how great the program is.
    Brad is a frequent poster in the Teen Bodybuilding section. He's not allowed to ask me questions? Wot.
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    Going to be honest here Eric:

    You dont really have the experience, size, or strength to make some of your claims. Yeah you gained some weight, some of it even muscle, but so does every beginner.

    I chose my program because the powerlifter that designed it has a few things going for him:

    15 years of experience as a Raw Powerlifter.
    Has competed as a powerlifter for 10 of those and a couple of years competed in oly lifting before that.
    While he is not the strongest raw lifter i know of he has a pretty impressive total of 1600+ and that is just right now as he recovers from an injury.
    He is not natty and he freely admits that but he designed his program for when he is both "on" and "off". I follow the "off" part of his program because i have never been "on".
    He has been tweaking and improving on his program for half a decade now and is constantly looking for feedback and improvements.

    Do you meet any of those?
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    Originally Posted by 400Lb Gorilla View Post
    Going to be honest here Eric:

    You dont really have the experience, size, or strength to make some of your claims. Yeah you gained some weight, some of it even muscle, but so does every beginner.

    I chose my program because the powerlifter that designed it has a few things going for him:

    15 years of experience as a Raw Powerlifter.
    Has competed as a powerlifter for 10 of those and a couple of years competed in oly lifting before that.
    While he is not the strongest raw lifter i know of he has a pretty impressive total of 1600+ and that is just right now as he recovers from an injury.
    He is not natty and he freely admits that but he designed his program for when he is both "on" and "off". I follow the "off" part of his program because i have never been "on".
    He has been tweaking and improving on his program for half a decade now and is constantly looking for feedback and improvements.

    Do you meet any of those?
    No, because I am not a powerlifter, nor have I trained for 15 years.

    The fact of the matter is that the principles behind my program are based on science and logic, not personal anecdotes. However, if you want to discuss my progress, I gained over 25 pounds of muscle in my first year of lifting. Nobody else in this thread can say the same.
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    Originally Posted by EricKanevskiy View Post
    No, because I am not a powerlifter, nor have I trained for 15 years.

    The fact of the matter is that the principles behind my program are based on science and logic, not personal anecdotes. However, if you want to discuss my progress, I gained over 25 pounds of muscle in my first year of lifting. Nobody else in this thread can say the same.
    Please provide scientific studies (references) to back up the "science" behind this program.
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    Originally Posted by traineeh View Post
    Please provide scientific studies (references) to back up the "science" behind this program.
    Checking the description box of the video might help.
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