BREAKING NEWS: Mall Shooting in Clackamas, Oregon (Suburb of Portland)

[infrum]

Here come the anti-gun nuts. Sad story. RIP to those lost.

God forbid people should have the empathy to promote a curb of firearm violent.

[Shangius]

There is one place that comes close to doing this.


The gun range.

Most gun ranges i have been in make you unload your firearm when on the main floor. You are not allowed to arm it until you are on the actual shooting room.

Seems to work really well. Haven't heard of any gun related crimes happening there.

WARNING GRAPHIC **** happens man

[robertk232]

So many feels right now

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamasc...rt_maj-story-1

heartbroken

[hutch1999]

Swiss people can handle guns

young minority gang members cant for whatever reason

fixed

[Shangius]

So many feels right now

http://www.oregonlive.com/clackamasc...rt_maj-story-1

heartbroken

She was the co-worker of my friend's mom.

[hutch1999]

She was the co-worker of my friend's mom.

sorry to hear that

[CroForce]

Only in America and Afghanistan...

[robertk232]

She was the co-worker of my friend's mom.

She WAS my friend's mom.

I don't even know what to say. Just lots of feels.

EDIT: SRS

[Sakeoe]

http://www.theblessingsofliberty.com...article11.html



RIP to those who lost their lives in this ridiculous shooting.

fyi it is almost impossible to obtain a waffentragschein if you do not need one for your job (security related).

Also they do not have a army but a militia, and every able bodied man has to undergo military training and become part of that militia. Also, while they are allowed to keep their weapons at home they are NOT allowed to keep their ammunition at home.

These factors are the reasons why guncrime in Switzerland is so low. If you were to implement these on the US you would most likely see a steady drop in gun crime aswell.

[ppself]

WARNING GRAPHIC **** happens man

Oh yea. Forgot about that.

Not saying that it doesn't happen. Just saying that the chances of muderous shootings happening at a gun range were slim. Of course, my words didn't reflect that in my previous post.

[bailey1106]

fyi it is almost impossible to obtain a waffentragschein if you do not need one for your job (security related).

Also they do not have a army but a militia, and every able bodied man has to undergo military training and become part of that militia. Also, while they are allowed to keep their weapons at home they are NOT allowed to keep their ammunition at home.

These factors are the reasons why guncrime in Switzerland is so low. If you were to implement these on the US you would most likely see a steady drop in gun crime aswell.

The drop, if there would be any at all woud be mightily insignificant. Switzerland doesnt havent a gang problem like the US, its estimated that around 80% of crime in the US is the fault of gangs, who as we all know dont follow the laws and who wouldnt be affected by new gun regulation.

[suave2000]

What is the crime? The big bad guy told me to give him my money and threatened me with a knife, which then ran away when i pulled my firearm?

that's attempted robbery

When a person is charged with attempted robbery, he is accused of having the intention to unlawfully take property he does not own. For some reason, an actual robbery did not occur, but notable progress was made. Trying, therefore, is still considered a criminal offense and conviction is usually a felony. There are some circumstances that may aggravate such a charge, resulting in a harsher judgment.

There are generally several elements involved in an attempted robbery. To begin with, a person accused of this crime must have tried to take property that belongs to someone else without the owner's permission. That property may have been on a victim's person, such as in her hand or her pocketbook. Attempted robbery can also involve items not on but still owned by a victim, such as those in an office or in a vehicle.

Attempted robbery also tends to involve the stipulation that the accused had no intention of returning the item. If, for example, a person had a tendency to secretly take office supplies belonging to a co-worker and to return them afterward, then although there was a lack of permission granted by the owner, it does not generally constitute robbery. An unsuccessful attempt at such behavior, therefore, would not constitute attempted robbery.

To be convicted of attempted robbery, the prosecution usually must show that a person came very close to completing the crime. This is often done by highlighting the circumstances of the attempt. Generally, the reason that robbery was not fully executed is beyond the control of the person charged with the crime.

For example, a person may have entered a house with the intention to commit robbery. An alarm may have signaled police and the accused may have fled before he took anything because he saw the patrol car. In many instances, the circumstances contribute to how harshly the crime will be judged.

One common misconception about this crime is that it requires the use of weapons. In most jurisdictions, the criminal code makes no such reference when outlining the elements of the crime. The consequences are often more severe, however, if innocent people are subjected to potentially dangerous situations or if they are harmed when the crime is executed.

Conviction of attempted robbery in most places is a felony. Usually, the consequences for this crime are less severe than those that would be issued for an actual robbery. There are still significant chances that if a person is found guilty he will be incarcerated.

[suave2000]

Would be pointless in reducing crime in any significant numbers if you actually educate yourself on why prohibition doesnt work in America. But of course then all you "holier than thou" foreigners wont be able to constantly btch about americas issues.

So to any and all ******* anti-gun diks in this thread, either a.) Educate youself on the complex social and cultural issues regarding americas crime and prohibition then come back for a rational debate, or b.) Go fuk a goat

Tired of these ridiculously ignorant cocksukers telling us how to live our lives.

u mad?

[suave2000]

Fun fact: the ak47 is the quintessential criminal firearm. Brb main weapon used by terrorists gang bangers drug cartels rebel groups etc etc

But its still americas fualt i suppose

nope. Cartel members prefer the AR-15 which is bought by regular america citizens at any gun shop, then since there's no gun registration it gets smuggled down south.

[suave2000]

Swiss people can handle guns

americans cant for whatever reason

i always lol when they compare switzerland's to america's gun culture

brb from wiki:

The Swiss army has long been a militia trained and structured to rapidly respond against foreign aggression. Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers). Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home. Up until October 2007, a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm) was issued as well, which was sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use had taken place.[4] The ammunition was intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.
In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still have ammunition stored at home today.[5]
When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

The sale of ammunition – including Gw Pat.90 rounds for army-issue assault rifles – is subsidized by the Swiss government and made available at the many shooting ranges patronized by both private citizens and members of the militia. There is a regulatory requirement that ammunition sold at ranges must be used there.

To carry firearms in public or outdoors (and for an individual who is a member of the militia carrying a firearm other than his Army-issue personal weapons off-duty), a person must have a Waffentragschein (gun carrying permit), which in most cases is issued only to private citizens working in occupations such as security.
It is, however, quite common to see a person serving military service to be en route with his rifle.
[edit]Conditions for getting a Carrying Permit
There are three conditions:
fulfilling the conditions for buying a permit (see section below)
stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger
passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon
The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. Neither hunters nor game wardens require a carrying permit.[citation needed]
[edit]Transporting guns
Guns may be transported in public as long as an appropriate justification is present. This means to transport a gun in public, the following requirements apply:
The ammunition must be separated from the gun, no ammunition in a magazine.
The transport has to be direct, i.e.:
For courses or exercises hosted by marksmanship, hunting or military organisations,
To an army warehouse and back,
To and from a holder of a valid arms trade permit,
To and from a specific event, i.e. gun shows

It's a lot a lot more regulated than it is in America, please stop comparing the two k?

[hutch1999]

Also, while they are allowed to keep their weapons at home they are NOT allowed to keep their ammunition at home.

Not allowed to keep their " Government issued ammo" if a member of the militia.

Physically compatiable 5.56mm NATO ammunition is however readily available for commercial purchase at virtually every gun store in the nation without restriction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_pol...in_Switzerland

[suave2000]

fixed

hey brah, neat "subtle" racism.

where the guys in this shooting and in the aurora shooting a minority ?

please gtfo.

[suave2000]

fyi it is almost impossible to obtain a waffentragschein if you do not need one for your job (security related).

Also they do not have a army but a militia, and every able bodied man has to undergo military training and become part of that militia. Also, while they are allowed to keep their weapons at home they are NOT allowed to keep their ammunition at home.

These factors are the reasons why guncrime in Switzerland is so low. If you were to implement these on the US you would most likely see a steady drop in gun crime aswell.

inb4 they ignore this...

[FitStick]

hey brah, neat "subtle" racism.

where the guys in this shooting and in the aurora shooting a minority ?

please gtfo.

Who do you think you're fooling?

The vast majority of crime is done by minorities in the US. No racism there, just data. To be more specific, the vast majority of crime is done by people of low socioeconomic status, of which most are minorities.

You also realize that these "mass" shootings comprise a minuscule percentage of gun violence, right? Sounds like you just get swept up in the media hype.

[hutch1999]

nope. Cartel members prefer the AR-15 which is bought by regular america citizens at any gun shop, then since there's no gun registration it gets smuggled down south.

proof of that claim?


ak47s of peace

Every picture of a bust has multiple arms as well, you can't claim "ARs are the Cartel's favs" without a source of info



see how there are actually more non-ARs in this pic than actual AR type weapons.

[hutch1999]

hey brah, neat "subtle" racism.

where the guys in this shooting and in the aurora shooting a minority ?

please gtfo.

most violent crime in America is committed by young minority males.


deal with it.

[suave2000]

proof of that claim?


ak47s of peace

Every picture of a bust has multiple arms as well, you can't claim "ARs are the Cartel's favs" without a source of info



see how there are actually more non-ARs in this pic than actual AR type weapons.

"Mexicans have a constitutional right to own firearms,[1] but legal purchase from the single Mexican gun shop in Mexico City, controlled by the Army, is extremely difficult.[2] "According to [U.S.] Justice Department figures, in the past five years 94,000 weapons have been recovered from Mexican drug cartels, of which 64,000 -- 70 percent -- come from the United States."[3] Once guns are obtained at gunshops in the United States, they are then smuggled into Mexico across the US-Mexico border.[4][5] In other cases the guns are obtained through Guatemalan borders[6] or stolen from the police or military.[7] Consequently, black market firearms are widely available. Many firearms are acquired in the U.S. by women with no criminal history, who transfer their purchases to smugglers through relatives, boyfriends and acquaintances and then smuggled to Mexico a few at a time.[8] The most common smuggled firearms include AR-15 and AK-47 type rifles, and FN 5.7 caliber semi-automatic pistols. Many firearms are purchased in the United States in a semi-automatic configuration before being converted to fire as select fire machine guns.[9] Mexico seized in 2009 a combined total of more than 4,400 firearms of the AK-47 and AR-15 type, and 30% of AK-47 type rifles seized have been modified to select fire weapons, effectively creating assault rifles.[10]"

so yeah, american made AR-15 and AK-47 converted into full auto...

do you wan't to post more nonsense?

[Kiknskreem]

so yeah, american made AR-15 and AK-47 converted into full auto...

do you wan't to post more nonsense?

He wasn't asking for proof that guns are smuggled south.

He was asking for proof that the cartels prefer the AR to the AK, which your blurb did not address.

[fFozzie]

fyi it is almost impossible to obtain a waffentragschein if you do not need one for your job (security related).

Also they do not have a army but a militia, and every able bodied man has to undergo military training and become part of that militia. Also, while they are allowed to keep their weapons at home they are NOT allowed to keep their ammunition at home.

These factors are the reasons why guncrime in Switzerland is so low. If you were to implement these on the US you would most likely see a steady drop in gun crime aswell.

Where did you get this information? It is completely incorrect. You can definitely take your weapons outside of your house and you don't need ANY kind of permit to purchase a firearm if you are over 18 in Switzerland (if you are a Swiss citizen).

[fFozzie]

inb4 they ignore this...

I hope it is ignored; because it is incorrect information.

[mainsqueeze530]

This stuff makes me mad. I don't understand how people could be so heartless going around shooting innocent people. Families are suffering because some guy thought he'd "go out with a bang". Seriously the most pathetic and selfish act somebody could do, disgusting.

[suave2000]

He wasn't asking for proof that guns are smuggled south.

He was asking for proof that the cartels prefer the AR to the AK, which your blurb did not address.

The most common smuggled firearms include AR-15 and AK-47 type rifles.......

[Farley1324]

Who do you think you're fooling?

The vast majority of crime is done by minorities in the US. No racism there, just data. To be more specific, the vast majority of crime is done by people of low socioeconomic status, of which most are minorities.

You also realize that these "mass" shootings comprise a minuscule percentage of gun violence, right? Sounds like you just get swept up in the media hype.

This.

[Kiknskreem]

The most common smuggled firearms include AR-15 and AK-47 type rifles.......

That doesn't mean they prefer the AR to the AK, which is the claim in question.

[livebrah]

nope. Cartel members prefer the AR-15 which is bought by regular america citizens at any gun shop, then since there's no gun registration it gets smuggled down south.

oh you mean like that time the atf smuggled them down south