Attention people who train for strength

[Saintsqc]

When should i end the SS program though?

Ripptoe says to stop the program when you reset (drop 10% weight, then work your way back) all lifts at least 3 times. In other words, when you fail to add weight to the bar and complete your sets on squat or deadlift for the third time, it usually means you can hardly milk anymore gains from SS.

More simply put, when you can't progress in poundage every work outs anymore even if you did many resets, it might be time to seek for another program.

[royalz19]

I might have missed your previous posts but why are your squat and dl so close to your bench?

Well I used to lift back in HS.. and all I did was curl and chest. I was that type of guy. Then I started to get serious. I wasn't too happy with my form like for my squats so I deloaded. moving my way back up again.

[royalz19]

Ripptoe says to stop the program when you reset (drop 10% weight, then work your way back) all lifts at least 3 times. In other words, when you fail to add weight to the bar and complete your sets on squat or deadlift for the third time, it usually means you can hardly milk anymore gains from SS.

More simply put, when you can't progress in poundage every work outs anymore even if you did many resets, it might be time to seek for another program.

Okay so 3 fails? Mhm.

[T00thus]

I train in both rep ranges. I wasn't aware you had to train in one or the other? Seems to be working for me.

[Francis333]

lol...srsly?

It's simple, it works and you must be a retard to **** it up. You can't go wrong with SS.

this.

[EricKanevskiy]

lol...srsly?

It's simple, it works and you must be a retard to **** it up. You can't go wrong with SS.

Everybody who does it seems to go wrong with SS.

[Saintsqc]

Everybody who does it seems to go wrong with SS.

lol

Yeah sure

[NZninja101]

Are we talking vanilla SS? Because that's pretty crappy and I wouldn't even recommend it to a noob.

[Francis333]

When should i end the SS program though?

when it stops working

[Francis333]

Everybody who does it seems to go wrong with SS.

Not me brah!

[DerekEt]

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[Alec049]

What you forgot about is that most bodybuilders take steroids which grossly increases the amount of muscle they gain from working out. If you train for motor recruitment and then add in training for hypotrophy you can get a lot bigger much quicker. One of the biggest natural bodybuilders in the world used this strategy.

[EricKanevskiy]

lol

Yeah sure

Prove me wrong.

Not me brah!

When you were on SS, you looked the same for like 8 months. We'll see if that's changed on the Madcow's program in your upcoming progress thread.

[bogui94]

Prove me wrong.



When you were on SS, you looked the same for like 8 months. We'll see if that's changed on the Madcow's program in your upcoming progress thread.

How about me?

[EricKanevskiy]

How about me?

British Broadcasting Corporation genetics + noob gains

[KrazyEyezKillah]

Everybody who does it seems to go wrong with SS.

This, except I suppose there is one - martyn - who seems to have done SS really "right."
Sure it is a simple program, but for bodybuilding, it is a stupid program. Can you make gains on it? Sure. But lets see here...the only chest work is bench for 3 or 6 sets a week, same with delts and ohp, same with rows for back except for deads once a week, and then we have the squat 3x a week with no other leg work despite the fact that everyone on here is always stressing how important a lot of hamstring work is. Lateral and rear delts are left out, clavicular pec head is left out, traps, biceps and triceps, not even once, no vertical pulling, etc. A "noob" who only gets decent numbers up on a few lifts but has no idea how to do anything else is still a noob.

Of course babylovers addressess a handful of these issues, and god bless him he did the best he could in trying to salvage a routine that was NOT. MADE. FOR BODYBUILDERS. ****, go do Push pull legs, or do chest/tri back/bi delts/legs rest, or even go do fukin KOHT. Or even a damn brosplit. I really believe that someone who does a high intensity brosplit for 6 months will look better and be all around more developed than someone who just does SS and eats in some absurd caloric surplus. I would rather be benching 185x8 and look like I actually lift than bench 225x5 and look like poop.

[bogui94]

This, except I suppose there is one - martyn - who seems to have done SS really "right."
Sure it is a simple program, but for bodybuilding, it is a stupid program. Can you make gains on it? Sure. But lets see here...the only chest work is bench for 3 or 6 sets a week, same with delts and ohp, same with rows for back except for deads once a week, and then we have the squat 3x a week with no other leg work despite the fact that everyone on here is always stressing how important a lot of hamstring work is. Lateral and rear delts are left out, clavicular pec head is left out, traps, biceps and triceps, not even once, no vertical pulling, etc. A "noob" who only gets decent numbers up on a few lifts but has no idea how to do anything else is still a noob.

Of course babylovers addressess a handful of these issues, and god bless him he did the best he could in trying to salvage a routine that was NOT. MADE. FOR BODYBUILDERS. ****, go do Push pull legs, or do chest/tri back/bi delts/legs rest, or even go do fukin KOHT. Or even a damn brosplit. I really believe that someone who does a high intensity brosplit for 6 months will look better and be all around more developed than someone who just does SS and eats in some absurd caloric surplus. I would rather be benching 185x8 and look like I actually lift than bench 225x5 and look like poop.

Sorry for looking like poop.

[DerekEt]

lol, people still use SS for size, or benching 225+ ?

[KrazyEyezKillah]

Sorry for looking like poop.

You look fukin phenomenal but youve said yourself you mostly got that way from bodyweight exercises, which is about as far away of an idea from SS as you could possibly be.

Ethan - dude I dont know. It seems like the vast majority of people on here who do SS when they start dont look like they lift with their shirts on (and even off most of the time) and always just get caught up in numbers, adding weight to the bar, and reaching this elusive 2/3/4 goal, because lord knows anyone squatting 315 has jus GOT to be huuuuuge.

[bravo96]

This, except I suppose there is one - martyn - who seems to have done SS really "right."
Sure it is a simple program, but for bodybuilding, it is a stupid program. Can you make gains on it? Sure. But lets see here...the only chest work is bench for 3 or 6 sets a week, same with delts and ohp, same with rows for back except for deads once a week, and then we have the squat 3x a week with no other leg work despite the fact that everyone on here is always stressing how important a lot of hamstring work is. Lateral and rear delts are left out, clavicular pec head is left out, traps, biceps and triceps, not even once, no vertical pulling, etc. A "noob" who only gets decent numbers up on a few lifts but has no idea how to do anything else is still a noob.

Of course babylovers addressess a handful of these issues, and god bless him he did the best he could in trying to salvage a routine that was NOT. MADE. FOR BODYBUILDERS. ****, go do Push pull legs, or do chest/tri back/bi delts/legs rest, or even go do fukin KOHT. Or even a damn brosplit. I really believe that someone who does a high intensity brosplit for 6 months will look better and be all around more developed than someone who just does SS and eats in some absurd caloric surplus. I would rather be benching 185x8 and look like I actually lift than bench 225x5 and look like poop.

this.

[BradCathie]

First of all, I was asleep.
brb, posted before someone who asked a question that you answered but couldn't answer my simple yes/no question.

Second of all, don't call me a little girl ,especially when you have lifts equivelant to somebody who has trained for <6 months. It's pretty arrogant and ridiculous of you - namecalling is not necessary.
Thought if I insulted you, you might actually answer me and go figure; you did, umad my psychology worked? Insulting someone is arrogant but condemning all theories that aren't your own to be inferior? Okay, mate.

Third, I'm not participating in some "callout thread" you apparently made; I'm not a child. You apparently still haven't grown up despite being 20 years old, it's sad. I hope one day you wisen up, but I'm certainly not dropping to your level and getting involved in any kind of 'callout thread' or 'flame war'. You can keep that kind of behavior with your other teenagers or 10 year old kids.
It's not about being a child, I couldn't post in a rant thread you made talking yourself up like you're better than everyone because it got deleted. It's "calling out" so I could get your attention but did not work/10. It simply shows how arrogant and wrong you truly are. Stop acting like you're better than your age; you're not.

Also, yes, I was being completely serious about the weight loss comment. It is commonly known by over 100+ people on this forum, as well as dozens of eyewitnesses IRL that I dropped from about 215 to 170 pounds while doing pure strength training;but in the midst got tons stronger. Strength = / = size ; it highly depends on how you train. If this is a shocking revelation for you, I suggest you go spend more time, despite the fact you have spent 270 hours "studying this stuff" in your own words. As for now, you are being ignored and I will not participate in any conversations with you. Good luck.



Are you trying to be a potato or just yanking my chain dude? I asked you if you blamed powerlifting for your weight loss; I never for a second said strength = size or that you can't gain strength while losing weight. Perhaps you could point me in the direction where I did?

If you actually think it was purely the fact that you changing from hypertrophy training to strength training made you lose 45lbs, you're the one that needs to do some serious research.

In dat dere bold, mate.

[bravo96]

In dat dere bold, mate.

this you did not loose 40 pounds because you simply switched for bodybuilder style training back to strength training. you ****ed something up diet wise in the process.

[Ka0s]

this thread sucks now thanks everyone

[lefteris7]

Sorry for looking like poop.

dude, no offence, but stop fishing for compliments every damn time. Like 3/4 of your posts are written in a way so that the answer will be "no you have a great body".

My body is ready for your neg.

[Gabeanator]

You guys are acting like if you're a bodybuilder you're automatically weak. In reality most bodybuilders are relatively strong as ****, certainly much stronger than the average tmiscer who trains for strength. The opposite cannot be said for most power lifters. They're fat as **** and don't even look like they lift. In the real world, aesthetics>strength. How often are you going to be benefited from squatting 6 plates for 1 rep as opposed to 3 for 20 in the real world? Yeah, not often. Being swole on the other hand, 24/7. Bitches be mirin, brahs be jelly, you be sexy, etc.

[Seminoles93]

I've personally always found that when I train for strength, I generally gain all the benefits from bodybuiding with the added perk that I'm not all show and no go.

I've gained size and thickness focusing on a powerlifting routine and an awesome increase in strength as well. Also, I've noticed that when I train heavy, it translates to higher reps when I use less weight. I've been doing dips with 105 lbs for 3x5 for a couple weeks and can comfortably do 4x20 bodyweight dips, while most people in my gym who train with only bodyweight can't even get close to that. Same goes for weighted pull-ups translating to bodyweight pull-ups.

In terms of strength, I have yet to see someone who can rep out a lower weight max out at what I think they would.

However I still have visible abs and look more like a bodybuilder, yet I still do mostly powerlifting routines. There is a certain measure of respect people have for someone who looks good and still uses a lot of weight, and there is definitely a confidence factor walking around knowing you're stronger than the majority of people and a lot of the ones who lift for aesthetic reasons.

At the end of the day, you should ALWAYS find what works for you and DO it. I'm not going to change how I lift because of this article, that's just stupid. Not that OP was trying to get anyone to change what they were doing, but still.

I will take RESULTS from what I'm doing over what anybody says every time.

[strangeclouds]

Dumbest article I've read in a long time. The same exact thing can be said for bodybuilders... why are they so weak for their size on average. Different goals, different priorities.

[Newmanzz]

too much cardio

That cardio might do your tits good

[bogui94]

dude, no offence, but stop fishing for compliments every damn time. Like 3/4 of your posts are written in a way so that the answer will be "no you have a great body".

My body is ready for your neg.

Have fun browsing through my posts here, or click on my username -> View forum posts.

I've personally always found that when I train for strength, I generally gain all the benefits from bodybuiding with the added perk that I'm not all show and no go.

I've gained size and thickness focusing on a powerlifting routine and an awesome increase in strength as well. Also, I've noticed that when I train heavy, it translates to higher reps when I use less weight. I've been doing dips with 105 lbs for 3x5 for a couple weeks and can comfortably do 4x20 bodyweight dips, while most people in my gym who train with only bodyweight can't even get close to that. Same goes for weighted pull-ups translating to bodyweight pull-ups.

In terms of strength, I have yet to see someone who can rep out a lower weight max out at what I think they would.

However I still have visible abs and look more like a bodybuilder, yet I still do mostly powerlifting routines. There is a certain measure of respect people have for someone who looks good and still uses a lot of weight, and there is definitely a confidence factor walking around knowing you're stronger than the majority of people and a lot of the ones who lift for aesthetic reasons.

At the end of the day, you should ALWAYS find what works for you and DO it. I'm not going to change how I lift because of this article, that's just stupid. Not that OP was trying to get anyone to change what they were doing, but still.

I will take RESULTS from what I'm doing over what anybody says every time.

Dumbest article I've read in a long time. The same exact thing can be said for bodybuilders... why are they so weak for their size on average. Different goals, different priorities.

[DerekEt]

dude, no offence, but stop fishing for compliments every damn time. Like 3/4 of your posts are written in a way so that the answer will be "no you have a great body".

My body is ready for your neg.

It sounds like you have an inferiority complex going on because he's looking good? You mad dude ? lol