Any type 2 diabetics here?

[billb7581]

Was diagnosed about 3 weeks ago with an A1C of 10 and a fasting blood glucose of 265. I cleaned some things up in my diet and started exercising and doing circuit training and got my morning numbers down into the 120-140 range. I am also on 500mg of metformin twice a day. I've been losing weight fairly easily for the past 3 weeks, want to start lifting real weights again so I am going to start doing All Pros again... just wondering what everyone else'/s experience was?

[LowCarbDiabetic]

Was diagnosed about 3 weeks ago with an A1C of 10 and a fasting blood glucose of 265. I cleaned some things up in my diet and started exercising and doing circuit training and got my morning numbers down into the 120-140 range. I am also on 500mg of metformin twice a day. I've been losing weight fairly easily for the past 3 weeks, want to start lifting real weights again so I am going to start doing All Pros again... just wondering what everyone else'/s experience was?

I was diagnosed 2 years ago with an HbA1c of 12.1% and Fasting 267mg/dl (14.8mmol/L on my scale).

After losing 100lbs, exercising 6 days per week (3 days/wk lifting - currently doing a SL 5x5 program, 3 days/wk HIIT or other exercise) and a low-carb/high-fat diet (typically 45-60g carb per non-lifting day, 100-125g carb on lifting days), I now have an HbA1c of 5.4% and most fasting glucose readings are under 100mg/dl (5.5mmol/L).

FYI I need to eat low-carb/high-fat (for me that's between 5-8% of my calories from carbs, 30% or so protein, 65% or more fat) to maintain my blood glucose level as I have little-to-no pancreatic beta-cell function and don't want to be on insulin. Not everybody with Type II needs my macros... Hopefully you can control it well with just cutting out refined carbs/sugars and exercising regularly.

FYI a couple recent studies now clearly show that regular HIIT (High-Intensity-Interval-Training - including weight-training) gives the best results (overall glycemic control and improvements in insulin-sensitivity) for Type II diabetics.

[philipj]

After a very high temperature of 106, some 13 years ago that destroyed the endocryn system in my left leg, much of my left side, and parts of my brain use ability, I also had become a type II. At my last visit to the VA they told me I am no longer diabetic.

I did a lot of things right, and it is not easy. Take your metformin and never miss it. After a meal is when your blood sugar is high, especially after breakfast. My breakfast is hardboiled eggs, or egg omlet. Avoid breads and most carbs as they turn into sugars. Immediately after breakfast I go for a walk, min 10 minutes and often up to 3 1/2 miles. I walk rather than run and it has been most beneificial.

I supplement heavy and the doctors are amazed. From Dr Whitaker.com I take his Gloucose Essentials(not in stores) and it knocks down sugar reading about 30 points. From any top of the line vitamin store 1000 C X 4@day, from GNC Magnesium/Potassium in an asportate base 4@day, The best vitamin/mineral 2@ day. Vitmn D3 5000iu 2@day, best deal is from Puritan co on line.

Here you will hear about eating clean. You will have to do much better than that. Buy Whitaker's Diabetes books and read them with a highlighter in hand.

Working out in a gym for me is M W F and always ends with aerobics/ellipitical. Read www.drmercola.com about his 20 minutes bike exercise with 8 sprints. That really works and is beyond most of the folks you will read this with. Feel free to PM me.

[Brackneyc]

There are many here, and most are likely undiagnosed.

[KLMARB]

Once had it, now alleviated via nutritional pattern....

[billb7581]

I was diagnosed 2 years ago with an HbA1c of 12.1% and Fasting 267mg/dl (14.8mmol/L on my scale).

After losing 100lbs, exercising 6 days per week (3 days/wk lifting - currently doing a SL 5x5 program, 3 days/wk HIIT or other exercise) and a low-carb/high-fat diet (typically 45-60g carb per non-lifting day, 100-125g carb on lifting days), I now have an HbA1c of 5.4% and most fasting glucose readings are under 100mg/dl (5.5mmol/L).

FYI I need to eat low-carb/high-fat (for me that's between 5-8% of my calories from carbs, 30% or so protein, 65% or more fat) to maintain my blood glucose level as I have little-to-no pancreatic beta-cell function and don't want to be on insulin. Not everybody with Type II needs my macros... Hopefully you can control it well with just cutting out refined carbs/sugars and exercising regularly.

FYI a couple recent studies now clearly show that regular HIIT (High-Intensity-Interval-Training - including weight-training) gives the best results (overall glycemic control and improvements in insulin-sensitivity) for Type II diabetics.

I'm still trying to figure out my carbs for workout days. Judging by what you are doing, I was really low.

I was kinda pissed about the Metformin, but from what I have read, it's safe, effective, and curbs appetite and gets you into fat burning mode quicker due to it heighting insulin sensitivity

[2BLAZERS]

I'm 37 and just went in for a physical last week. Learned I'm Pre-diabetic. My 12 hour fasting blood test score was 105. So just barely. But I have major family history working against me. I go back in a year and my major goal is to drop another 20 pounds and get it way under 100. My younger sister has been officially diabetic for a couple years, my dad was and grandma was too....my doctor did not seem to concerned as I've lost almost 50 pounds since he saw me back in 2007/8.

[Galactus]

I'm also prediadetic. Dont recall a number of my scores, but my triglycerides have been as high as 735 in the past. They were low 400s last time I was tested. (still too high) My total cholesterol went from 320 to 195 though which is good. (and that was with no medication)

[igillman]

Yep, diagnosed several years ago with a fasting blood sugar of 1600 (that is not a typo). It took 2 weeks to get it down to a level that would actually show up on a glucose meter. I started exercising, lost 35 Lbs and now my A1C is 5.8 and things are fine.

Tip: If your doctor puts you on a statin (cholesterol drug) then make sure you look into taking Co-Q10 as a supplement.

[billb7581]

Any tips on getting fasted numbers down? I'm good all day, but first thing in the morning I am always high.

[MoldyGopher]

Type II Crew checking in.

Completely controlled by diet and exercise, completely off all my meds (high bp, high chol, metformin, ssri) under my doc's supervision. Numbers have never looked better, bodybuilding saved my life.

Any tips on getting fasted numbers down? I'm good all day, but first thing in the morning I am always high.

Mine didn't go down until I had several months of strict low carb under my belt, no pun intended. This is another life-long thing, just stick to it.

[billb7581]

How low is low carb for you? I went to diabetes class, and the amount of carbs they were pushing was ridiculous, way too high.

[MoldyGopher]

How low is low carb for you? I went to diabetes class, and the amount of carbs they were pushing was ridiculous, way too high.

20-50 (net) per day.

It's beneficial to get very good at cooking eggs and roasting veggies.

[PopeGregorius]

How low is low carb for you? I went to diabetes class, and the amount of carbs they were pushing was ridiculous, way too high.

Its because
- they don't want to offend people with the truth. Its a deadly disease but people want to eat junk food & rice/bread/pasta forver. They cant
- the food industry makes a fortune selling carbs. They have infiltrated the food pyramid, dietitians, professional organisations & the govt with propaganda.

[LowCarbDiabetic]

How low is low carb for you? I went to diabetes class, and the amount of carbs they were pushing was ridiculous, way too high.

The classes are taught by CDE's (Certified Diabetes Educators) who are certified under your countries' Diabetes Associations... which is the problem. The American and Canadian diabetes associations are NOT trying to get rid of your diabetes, they're funded primarily by the pharmaceutical and food industries... (NOT a conspiracy theory, easily verifiable.)

Their vested interest is in keeping you ON diabetes medications, and promoting their sponsors' products (IE: Coca-cola, General Mills Cereal, M&M Mars, etc.)

Dr. Richard K. Bernstein, a medical doctor and type I diabetic recommends 30g a day with a 1500 calorie a day diet. This is approximately 8% of your calories from carbohydrate as a maximum. He's helped literally thousands of diabetics normalize blood glucose with this advice.

As such, regardless of your calories, stick to under 8% of your calories as carbohydrate for your best-possible blood glucose levels from diet intervention.

Exercise and fat-loss also improve levels. Exercise both utilizes circulating blood glucose and improves insulin-sensitivity. Fat-loss, especially visceral fat-loss (the fat in/around your organs) also improves insulin-sensitivity.

The more fat you lose and exercise you engage in, the more carbohydrate (both in-total and percent of daily calories) your body can tolerate. For me, that means 5-8% of my calories from carbohydrate on non-lifting days (3 days HIIT and 1 day rest per week), and roughly 10-15% on lifting days (3x a week).

[MoldyGopher]

Here's something mildly interesting. Unbeknownst to me, I was already exhibiting the 'dark marks' (Acanthosis Nigricans) associated with Insulin resistance/Type II. If you click on that image, you can see the circle around my left armpit.

I didn't see it until I took that flexing picture after a year of dieting. Talk about dodging a bullet.

e: You can see the marks clearly on this dude's forehead in this burger commercial.

(He's dead now)

[billb7581]

20-50 (net) per day.

It's beneficial to get very good at cooking eggs and roasting veggies.

I'm around 50-60 now, most days and if we have pizza or something I make sure I lift before, and stop at 2 slices, without eating the outer ring part.

[PopeGregorius]

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(He's dead now)

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[Brackneyc]

I dropped 90lbs and got off all meds. Just like that.

[billb7581]

Another thing is I have zero stamina in the gym... a few exercises into All Pro's and my ass is getting kicked? I've tested before during and after workout, no issues with blood sugar. I spoke to the Dr about this and she said it could be because my sugar was elevated for so long that appropriate blood sugar levels are giving me the symptoms of low blood sugar. I basically dropped my fasting BG 120 points in 2 days before I even picked up the Metformin perscription.

She said to try and work through it. If this continues, I may switch to a split (push pull legs, or something similar and see if I can give the compounds my best and just be doing isolations as my stamina dwindles.

I am by no means an advanced BB'er, but I want to go all out with whatever I am doing.

[LowCarbDiabetic]

Another thing is I have zero stamina in the gym... a few exercises into All Pro's and my ass is getting kicked? I've tested before during and after workout, no issues with blood sugar. I spoke to the Dr about this and she said it could be because my sugar was elevated for so long that appropriate blood sugar levels are giving me the symptoms of low blood sugar. I basically dropped my fasting BG 120 points in 2 days before I even picked up the Metformin perscription.

She said to try and work through it. If this continues, I may switch to a split (push pull legs, or something similar and see if I can give the compounds my best and just be doing isolations as my stamina dwindles.

I am by no means an advanced BB'er, but I want to go all out with whatever I am doing.

It took me close to three weeks to get used to being very low-carb. The process of keto-adaptation isn't easy for everyone, and can vary greatly in the time it takes an individual to adapt. Once your body adapts you'll be able to do most of your exercising easily low-carb EXCEPT possibly for the weight training... (well, if you're pushing hard-enough, anyway).

Many people who are low-carb find they need a little extra carbohydrate intake on their weight-training days to fuel the workout. I eat all my additional carbohydrate (for a lifting day) during the meal PRIOR to my weight-training session, usually about 90 minutes before the workout.

The fact is that the body simply cannot use fatty-acid oxidation for ATP generation during anaerobic exercise. If what you're doing is entirely aerobic, you can utilize fatty-acid oxidation for your energy fine... but when doing anaerobic work (intense weight-lifting, high-intensity intervals/sprints, etc.) you can ONLY generate your ATP via glycolysis using glucose/glycogen. (Well, the THIRD way of producing ATP is the phospagen system using creatine phosphate, but there's only enough CP in skeletal muscle for about 10 seconds...)

If you're not pushing your weight-training to an anaerobic threshold, you can rely on fatty-acid oxidation to fuel your workout... but you also won't be working-out very effectively. That's what initially happened to me, I made NO progress weight-training until I added a little more carbohydrate to fuel the workouts, and pushed harder.

[philipj]

Yep, diagnosed several years ago with a fasting blood sugar of 1600 (that is not a typo). It took 2 weeks to get it down to a level that would actually show up on a glucose meter. I started exercising, lost 35 Lbs and now my A1C is 5.8 and things are fine.

Tip: If your doctor puts you on a statin (cholesterol drug) then make sure you look into taking Co-Q10 as a supplement.

I refused "Statin Drugs". A lady pharmicist from the VA got me a script for 250mg of slow niacin 4 times a day. That did the trick and it is all natural.

[vakrka]

i am convinced i am but the doctor says no and the tests say no
but I eat a bowl of cerela and have to take a nap
i have messed around for 4 years now with the doctor adjusting my thyroid medicne and not helping much

[billb7581]

I am just wiped out in the gym.. I am eating about 100g of carbs those days... not sure what it is.... I may move to a split just so I can give it my all for 2 big compounds per workout, at least, then do some isolation stuff. I really liked the way All Pros was structured, and doing the workout but it's really kicking my ass.

[MoldyGopher]

Don't sweat it, just keep a long term perspective on this. There's going to be a lot of little dead ends along the way, those happen all the time.

[billb7581]

Switching up the workout worked out OK. I was able to do more weight with more intensity with only 3 exercises in a 5x5 format

Tonight I did rack pulls (my knee felt a little sketchy when I tried to DL) ramping up to a top set I could barely do 3.. I then did Bent Over Rows also ramping up, then I did Chins on one of those assistance machines, I had to put the pin at 100 lbs to get close to 5 chins.

I then just did some high rep curls for a couple sets (in the squat rack)

It was a lot better workout than I have been getting.

[al.strongman]

I am 39 years old and was dignosed at the age of 21 which was a huge surprise. Was always healthy, excercised regularly and always watched my diet. Now I am on insulin shots several times a day. I don't let it slow me down. I train like a madman and compete in Ameteur Strongman Contests. I feel that I don't do bad for a 39 year old diabetic.

[billb7581]

I am losing weight fairly easily. Had a hell of a time cutting before, must be due to my improved blood sugar levels.

[LowCarbDiabetic]

I am losing weight fairly easily. Had a hell of a time cutting before, must be due to my improved blood sugar levels.

If you're taking metformin regularly MANY diabetics find it assists in weight loss - mostly due to improving insulin sensitivity. Met' takes 2 to 3 weeks of regular use to really "kick in" for most people.

One thing I forgot to mention, if low-carbing you generally have less glycogen stores and circulating glucose for lots of weight-training, so it's best to stick to compound movements to really maximize your strength/muscle gains from the exercise you do.

Personally, I currently only do FIVE weight-training exercises, and only 3 exercises per day:

Exercises
Squats
Bent-over (Pendlay) Rows
Bench Press
Overhead Press
Deadlifts

Currently I do these in a 5x5 program (two warmup sets, then 5 sets of 5 reps) with only TWO workouts:

Workout A) Squats, Bench Press, Bent-over rows
Workout B) Squats, Overhead press, Deadlifts

I alternate workouts and do my weight training on Monday, Wednesday and Friday. Week one is A, B, A ... Week two is B, A, B ... etc.

It's working amazingly well. Use the 'search' function for "stronglifts 5x5" for more on what I'm doing.

[billb7581]

I mainly do those exercises 3 per workout (although I usually do some high rep isolation stuff at the end if I am feeling up to it. )

Workout A Rack Pulls, Bent over Rows, Chins

Workout B Bench OH Press Dips

Workout C Squat, Stiff Leg Deadlift calf raise.