Secession

[BigStewTheJew]

What do you guys think about the 21( now it's apparently at THIRTY-ONE (31) States ) states starting petitions for secession from the United States of America? Each states needs 25,000 signatures within the first 30 days of it for the Obama Administration to respond to it. Thoughts on how this will all play out?
Top 10 this morning apparently :
Texas: 62,630
Louisiana : 27,028
South Carolina, 13,888
Arkansas, 13,207
Georgia, 17,807
Tennessee, 17, 356
Colorado, 13,171
Alabama, 17,897
Florida, 19,135
North Carolina, 16,794

*Numbers as of 24 + hours ago. Apparently a few other states have broke the 25K mark as well

[so-tex]

It's not going to happen.

[dbx]

People (read; conservatives) are just crying out that they don't like how the election went. It's already yesterday's news...before it even gets started.

[Corbi]

Suck it up folks, Obumbles won so we have a mere 4 yrs left. The House is going to be massive gridlock during that time span in an effort to see that he isn't allowed to mess things up worse than they already are..at least that's my hope.

Trying to secede from the Union wouldn't solve a damn thing and is downright fukkin stupid.

[djflex]

Revolution is in the air....true patriots unite!

The time is now!

[IronCharles]

It would turn out like the breakup of the USSR. Lots of rogue states with nuclear arsenals and no procedures for dealing with them. And you can bet the USA will not let it's land and resources just up and walk away. Remember what happened the last time some states tried to break away. Lots of people died.

[SP1966]

You don't leave your country, you take it back.

[dbx]

It would turn out like the breakup of the USSR. Lots of rogue states with nuclear arsenals and no procedures for dealing with them. And you can bet the USA will not let it's land and resources just up and walk away. Remember what happened the last time some states tried to break away. Lots of people died.

Yeah, and this time it might be.....................
























Southeast, Southwest, Midwest............... vs.













The Left Coast and New England

[so-tex]

You don't leave your country, you take it back.

I love your optimism. I really do.

[drudixon]

Did not vote for Obama, but would not sign. The people signing are tards.

[mslman71]

I love the smell of chaos in the morning.

I really do.

Keeps people on their toes.

[beachguy498]

Did not vote for Obama, but would not sign. The people signing are tards.

The only reason are falling for it is that it's convenient to do on the internets. If they had to go door-to-door getting physical signatures... they may have 10 or 12 signed up. People are paper (or paperLESS) tigers, period.

One step below..."forward this to 12 people and something fanfukkingtastic will happen to you tomorrow"...

Rob

[KeepItMoving]

The media hails obama as the smartest person to ever be President. (Amazing how little he supposedly knows about Fast and Furious and Benghazi.) The media even labelled him as "the great uniter."

I have never seen our Country more divided and hateful towards each other. He has divided us along religious lines. He has divided us along racial lines. He has divided us along economic lines. He has divided us along gender lines. This is our own President raising these issues and dividing us!

I have never seen anything so destructive; so divisive. It's not a good thing.

[drudixon]

People are paper (or paperLESS) tigers,

Rob

That was a very erudite Mao Zedong reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger

[beachguy498]

The media hails obama as the smartest person to ever be President. (Amazing how little he supposedly knows about Fast and Furious and Benghazi.) The media even labelled him as "the great uniter."

I have never seen our Country more divided and hateful towards each other. He has divided us along religious lines. He has divided us along racial lines. He has divided us along economic lines. He has divided us along gender lines. This is our own President raising these issues and dividing us!

I have never seen anything so destructive; so divisive. It's not a good thing.

And even lately on gas lines... gettin' bad for sure. The old divide-and-conquer thing, keeps the focus off the real issues if they can keep people bickering like kids in the school yard. Almost like an internet forum....

Rob

[beachguy498]

That was a very erudite Mao Zedong reference.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tiger

Very cool, thanks for posting that. I'll have to use the phrase more often.

Rob

[nixter]

I have never seen our Country more divided and hateful towards each other. He has divided us along religious lines. He has divided us along racial lines. He has divided us along economic lines. He has divided us along gender lines.

I would argue it's his opponents doing that. The "gridlock" and the "don't do anything the POTUS wants even if it's a good idea" mindset of the GOP is what's seriously contributing to the divisiveness.

[danap3681]

I received several emails from contacts forwarding the link to me to sign it for our state. Did not sign. Never happen here. Alabama is actually over 26k right now but still doesn't mean sh*t!

[Karl_Hungus]

I heard on the news yesterday that people are collecting signatures for Kansas and Missouri succession as well. Crazy...lol.

[Karl_Hungus]

I would argue it's his opponents doing that. The "gridlock" and the "don't do anything the POTUS wants even if it's a good idea" mindset of the GOP is what's seriously contributing to the divisiveness.

Oh yes, that is exactly it. GOP members think to themselves "this policy is an excellent idea, but we must oppose it just because POTUS wants it! No other reason!" Gimme a f'ckin' break already.

[dbx]

The media hails obama as the smartest person to ever be President. (Amazing how little he supposedly knows about Fast and Furious and Benghazi.) The media even labelled him as "the great uniter."

I agree with these ^ sentiments, wholeheartedly, and am as disgusted by it as you are.

I have never seen our Country more divided and hateful towards each other.

I have. It's was called.......











the Bush Presidency .

But yes, I agree with the difference being a very transparent divider, as opposed to just an ideologue division. He's led his entire campaign(s) by pitting us against ourselves (rich vs poor, corporations being evil, etc..) and he's been successful with it. I don't blame him (because he's just a puppet that was well handled). I only blame my fellow Americans for consuming his bull$hit (srs).

And before liberals start crying about "puppet" comments...I'll first say, every candidate is heavily handled in politics. But in this case, it's a guy with zero background and experience who got packaged perfectly. Historians will truly wonder and study how this phenomena ever happened.

[PLANETGETLOW]

Move to Impeach, elect Hillary Clinton.....

[drudixon]

the Bush Presidency .

How quickly we forget Bush' first term.... There hasn't been a time in my lifetime when we were more united. I'm not a Bush fan, but if you look at bipartisan bills signed in his first term, and how monumental they were, it really is mind-blowing.

[dbx]

How quickly we forget Bush' first term.... There hasn't been a time in my lifetime when we were more united. I'm not a Bush fan, but if you look at bipartisan bills signed in his first term, and how monumental they were, it really is mind-blowing.

Short and selective memory, my friend. I voted for GW both times. I was very disappointed inot the 2nd yr of his 2nd term. And as for being divided....did you really forget how divided we were (still are)????

EDIT: btw, we're from the same state, but you need to get a wider view on politics (respectfully).

[drudixon]

Short and selective memory, my friend. I voted for GW both times. I was very disappointed inot the 2nd yr of his 2nd term. And as for being divided....did you really forget how divided we were (still are)????

EDIT: btw, we're from the same state, but you need to get a wider view on politics (respectfully).

I lived in VA in Bush' first term. I sold to the VA, DoD - Army, DARPA, DISA, DFAS, many more. My mix of friends is indeed a mix, libertarian, dem, rep alike. I certainly don't know everything about politics, but definitely more than most. Related to our Federal Gov't, I certainly know a lot more than most. Uncommon to most Georgians, I do vote split ticket. Depends on the issues and the folks running.

I also grew up in West Philly, so I grew up with the "other side" of politics

[dbx]

I lived in VA in Bush' first term. I sold to the VA, DoD - Army, DARPA, DISA, DFAS, many more. My mix of friends is indeed a mix, libertarian, dem, rep alike. I certainly don't know everything about politics, but definitely more than most. Related to our Federal Gov't, I certainly know a lot more than most. Uncommon to most Georgians, I do vote split ticket. Depends on the issues and the folks running.

I also grew up in West Philly, so I grew up with the "other side" of politics

Understood, but it doesn't address the fact and well known divide that deepened during Bush's Presidency. We're on the same "side", so to speak, but I suspect your age doesn't privy you to "public thinking" 12 yrs ago, when you were 24, and likely not as involved in politics as you are now. Am I wrong?

[Iceman1800]

How quickly we forget Bush' first term.... There hasn't been a time in my lifetime when we were more united. I'm not a Bush fan, but if you look at bipartisan bills signed in his first term, and how monumental they were, it really is mind-blowing.

I agree with this. Had he not made the decision to invade Iraq, 2004 would have been an absolute blowout and he would be looked upon today much more favorably. After 9/11, we actually had a united United States

[Paulie_G]

Did not vote for Obama, but would not sign. The people signing are tards.

This. I live in TN, and I've seen a good sample group of those who are signing. A majority are eighth grade educated, missing several front teeth, and most are die hard Nascar fans (No offense to you intelligent Nascar fans out there). Demographics tell you a lot.

A funny observation. Whenever I see a post slamming Obama, pointing out that he is actually causing "division and hate", I often have the impression that the poster hated the concept of a liberal, black president in the first place. Don't get me wrong. I'm not happy with Obama, but damn, everyone who is angry right now needs to look directly at the GOP and ask "Was a born wealthy, transparent, used car sales like cartoon character the best that you could offer to challenge Obama?"

[drudixon]

Understood, but it doesn't address the fact and well known divide that deepened during Bush's Presidency. We're on the same "side", so to speak, but I suspect your age doesn't privy you to "public thinking" 12 yrs ago, when you were 24, and likely not as involved in politics as you are now. Am I wrong?

I cared more back then, but in a very difficult vein. Hung out at capitol grill off the mall, crystal city, commissaries, any where i could. I listened and got involved in so much as itd help sales. Now i still care, but in the context as a middle income family man.

[mslman71]

I agree with this. Had he not made the decision to invade Iraq, 2004 would have been an absolute blowout and he would be looked upon today much more favorably. After 9/11, we actually had a united United States

We, like other countries I suppose, are like an organism with an overactive immune system. When we have an enemy to fight we thrive. When we don't, we attack ourselves. We did some really cool (and really bad) sh*t during the cold war but aside from bouts of social turmoil, we progressed in an amazing way. Now we sort of seem to be dissolving from the inside.

It's hard to look at all of this objectively. I've only been political aware for a few cycles in the grand scheme of things. It's sometimes hard to tell if I'm changing or if society is changing and to put that in proper context with history.