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    I say it is possible. But the process itself can't be natural it needs to be done inside a lab by fusing homo sapien DNA with that of a Neanderthals.
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    Ronnie had chromosomic mutations. There will be never like him.
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    as far as on stage placings, Arnold < haney < dorian < coleman. Add to that they just magically go in chronological order, history says someone will be better than coleman.
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    Originally Posted by BiggerTommorow View Post
    as far as on stage placings, Arnold < haney < dorian < coleman. Add to that they just magically go in chronological order, history says someone will be better than coleman.
    history says arnold competed in less shows than Coleman...
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    If Arnold continued in the Mr Olympia from 1976-1080 he would have won them all.
    That would mean a total of 11...

    And his condition at the 1980 mr O would have been better too.
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    Originally Posted by Salden View Post
    If Arnold continued in the Mr Olympia from 1976-1080 he would have won them all.
    That would mean a total of 11...

    And his condition at the 1980 mr O would have been better too.
    i counter with, there were a lot less competitors in the olympia/bodybuilding that day... in '75 there were 3 competitors...
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    Originally Posted by TTimmerman View Post
    i counter with, there were a lot less competitors in the olympia/bodybuilding that day... in '75 there were 3 competitors...
    arnold was the only guy competing in the 71 olympia, weider didn't let franco and sergio compete
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    go through bodybuilding history and see how long it took before the 'best physique ever' at the time was surpassed by future competitors.

    it has been 14 years since his first Olympia win and no one has even matched that physique yet, let alone him at his peak.

    all the factors have to be in place for it to happen. it's not just genetic potential because we have the only man who can potentially reach that level already in the pros, but his career is holding him back.

    people with the genetics to excel at a particular sport generally tend to find themselves gravitating toward/competing in it. so sure there might be come guy freak out there who refuses to ride a bike or diet down and we miss out on him, but odds are guys like that are into bodybuilding. i fail to believe he's just out there delivering mail and doing 400 lb bent over rows for fun after work.

    it took all this time just to find someone with ronnie-like potential. if cedric doesn't reach that level, there will likely never be another coleman. or maybe he'll come around in 2028 and not have an 80 hour per week job that forces him to train in the dark half the time.
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    ronnie was winning the olympia and holding down an 8hr police job for 3 years (98-2000)

    lol
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    I say "light-weight!", you say "Ronnie Coleman".

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    Originally Posted by Daewoo_Lanos View Post
    go through bodybuilding history and see how long it took before the 'best physique ever' at the time was surpassed by future competitors.

    it has been 14 years since his first Olympia win and no one has even matched that physique yet, let alone him at his peak.

    all the factors have to be in place for it to happen. it's not just genetic potential because we have the only man who can potentially reach that level already in the pros, but his career is holding him back.

    people with the genetics to excel at a particular sport generally tend to find themselves gravitating toward/competing in it. so sure there might be come guy freak out there who refuses to ride a bike or diet down and we miss out on him, but odds are guys like that are into bodybuilding. i fail to believe he's just out there delivering mail and doing 400 lb bent over rows for fun after work.

    it took all this time just to find someone with ronnie-like potential. if cedric doesn't reach that level, there will likely never be another coleman. or maybe he'll come around in 2028 and not have an 80 hour per week job that forces him to train in the dark half the time.
    There are many people that have his potential or even some that had more potential. Putting it all together is the issue, again, Coleman genetics are rare, but he also had a great team of people that helped him get to the top. If Flex never shared his "secret" on supplementing, would Ronnie have achieved what he did? Hard to say, but in every activity there are people that have the potential to be GOATs or even to beat the current GOAT, but they just never put it all together. The thing with Ronnie is he had fantastic bodybuilding genetics, a great work ethic and he eventually surrounded people that knew enough of the things that he didn't to take him to the next level. Most of all he had a true desire to get there.

    Here are a few people off the top of my head that had potential just as great if not in some cases better than Ronnie in recent memory:
    Paul Dillet
    Kevin Levrone
    Flex Wheeler
    Cedric Mcmillan
    Lionel Beyeke
    Kai Greene
    Joel Stubbs
    Orville Burke
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    Here are a few people off the top of my head that had potential just as great if not in some cases better than Ronnie in recent memory:
    Paul Dillet
    Kevin Levrone
    Flex Wheeler
    Cedric Mcmillan
    Lionel Beyeke
    Kai Greene
    Joel Stubbs
    Orville Burke
    lol.. just no.. im pretty sure all of them did everything they could to be the best.. and they arent..
    in fact most of them ****ed really bad their health..

    Lionel and Cedric are too soon to tell.. but they have a long road before they reach Coleman
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    lol.. just no.. im pretty sure all of them did everything they could to be the best.. and they arent..
    in fact most of them ****ed really bad their health..

    Lionel and Cedric are too soon to tell.. but they have a long road before they reach Coleman
    That's part of genetics, the ability for your body to withstand the amount of supplements you take and remain healthy.

    Let me go through the list:

    Paul Dillet: Better genetics than Coleman, no doubt here, probably the GOAT when it comes to genetics. Fairly lazy in the gym and posing was atrocious, worse than amateur, but from the front he was untouchable in certain poses.
    Kevin Levrone: Wouldn't dedicate himself fully to bodybuilding, coupled with back injuries. His legs in 92/aesthetics in 97 and upper body size in 99 were insane, if he could've put that together, I think he could've given 98 Ronnie a run for his money.
    Flex Wheeler:Admittedly lazy and at times showed extreme lack of confidence in his own ability. If he would've brought in that 93 AC package with another 5-10lbs of quality mass, I think he would've given anyone trouble. Towards the end health became an issue, turned to synthol and just was never really the same after his car crash.
    Cedric Mcmillan:As you said too soon to tell, but his potential in the very least is definitely on par with Ronnie
    Lionel Beyeke:Same thing as above.
    Kai Greene: Seems to be unable to put it together, doesn't know where he's going with his physique and ultimately IMO his past will not allow him to win. That 11 NYP package was insane though.
    Joel Stubbs:If he didn't have leg injuries, he could've been unreal. His upper body is right up there with the greats.
    Orville Burke:Arguable, but his back/legs were damn good. Of the list he is the one that you could say is out of place, if he would've kept his health and brought up his arms, I think he could've done well.
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    Kai Greene: Seems to be unable to put it together
    Did we not just see a good showing from him this very Olympia?
    People these days have more reps than brain cells
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    That's part of genetics, the ability for your body to withstand the amount of supplements you take and remain healthy.

    Let me go through the list:

    Paul Dillet: Better genetics than Coleman, no doubt here, probably the GOAT when it comes to genetics. Fairly lazy in the gym and posing was atrocious, worse than amateur, but from the front he was untouchable in certain poses.
    Kevin Levrone: Wouldn't dedicate himself fully to bodybuilding, coupled with back injuries. His legs in 92/aesthetics in 97 and upper body size in 99 were insane, if he could've put that together, I think he could've given 98 Ronnie a run for his money.
    Flex Wheeler:Admittedly lazy and at times showed extreme lack of confidence in his own ability. If he would've brought in that 93 AC package with another 5-10lbs of quality mass, I think he would've given anyone trouble. Towards the end health became an issue, turned to synthol and just was never really the same after his car crash.
    Cedric Mcmillan:As you said too soon to tell, but his potential in the very least is definitely on par with Ronnie
    Lionel Beyeke:Same thing as above.
    Kai Greene: Seems to be unable to put it together, doesn't know where he's going with his physique and ultimately IMO his past will not allow him to win. That 11 NYP package was insane though.
    Joel Stubbs:If he didn't have leg injuries, he could've been unreal. His upper body is right up there with the greats.
    Orville Burke:Arguable, but his back/legs were damn good. Of the list he is the one that you could say is out of place, if he would've kept his health and brought up his arms, I think he could've done well.
    thats a weird way to put things up.. everything is part of genectics.. (ok.. except posing, work ethic and confidence)
    so i could argue everyone could be the like Coleman or Better..
    its like saying..
    "if Lee Priest was 6 foot tall he would be the goat"
    "if Marcus Ruhl could dry properly he would be the goat"
    "if Jay Cutler was symmetrical he would be the goat"
    "if.... etc...."
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    That's part of genetics, the ability for your body to withstand the amount of supplements you take and remain healthy.

    Let me go through the list:

    Paul Dillet: Better genetics than Coleman, no doubt here, probably the GOAT when it comes to genetics. Fairly lazy in the gym and posing was atrocious, worse than amateur, but from the front he was untouchable in certain poses.
    Kevin Levrone: Wouldn't dedicate himself fully to bodybuilding, coupled with back injuries. His legs in 92/aesthetics in 97 and upper body size in 99 were insane, if he could've put that together, I think he could've given 98 Ronnie a run for his money.
    Flex Wheeler:Admittedly lazy and at times showed extreme lack of confidence in his own ability. If he would've brought in that 93 AC package with another 5-10lbs of quality mass, I think he would've given anyone trouble. Towards the end health became an issue, turned to synthol and just was never really the same after his car crash.
    Cedric Mcmillan:As you said too soon to tell, but his potential in the very least is definitely on par with Ronnie
    Lionel Beyeke:Same thing as above.
    Kai Greene: Seems to be unable to put it together, doesn't know where he's going with his physique and ultimately IMO his past will not allow him to win. That 11 NYP package was insane though.
    Joel Stubbs:If he didn't have leg injuries, he could've been unreal. His upper body is right up there with the greats.
    Orville Burke:Arguable, but his back/legs were damn good. Of the list he is the one that you could say is out of place, if he would've kept his health and brought up his arms, I think he could've done well.
    oh boy this is all over the place...

    i'll just talk about kevin... they were roughly close in size in 98 despite kevin actually being 5-10 pounds heavier (the point they looked the same weight). This was kevin's all time heaviest. Then coleman added 30 pounds to his physique later in his career and still maintained the same proportions...

    speaks for itself

    and kevin wasn't fully commited? uh you don't really understand the point he made about that
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    Originally Posted by Groggery View Post
    Did we not just see a good showing from him this very Olympia?
    I'm saying winning the O and ultimately being the face of bodybuilding.

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    thats a weird way to put things up.. everything is part of genectics.. (ok.. except posing, work ethic and confidence)
    so i could argue everyone could be the like Coleman or Better..
    its like saying..
    "if Lee Priest was 6 foot tall he would be the goat"
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    "if.... etc...."
    Pretty much, some things you can control and that's what you need to focus on and other's you can't. Most of the things on my list were controllable and could've been alleviated. My point is that, many people have the certain genetics to potentially be the GOAT, but it's rare that they put everything together or that everything goes as planned.
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    Originally Posted by NVious View Post
    I'm saying winning the O and ultimately being the face of bodybuilding.
    Yeah, being the face of anything shouldn't and rightfully isn't his goal though. Now winning O's is his prerogative and he's damn close to doing so.
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    what does that gif have to do with anything?

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    I don't think anyone can look at onstage shots of 2003 by himself or in comparisons and say "Someone will come and be better" with a serious look on their face.



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    I believe McMillan can pull of an early years Ronnie.

    What does this mean? Cedric has a completely different physique than Ronnie's early years. If Cedric continues to improve he will still have a completely different physique.
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    Originally Posted by spamy View Post
    Ronnie Coleman is the best counterargument against those saying that will never be another Ronnie Coleman. From 16th in 92, poor placings and not a very impressive physique to the best ever. Who knew back then?

    Best ever. If you mean in terms of being Mr. O then sure because he has most titles. He has a huge gut and his bis may have a nice peak but are tiny. I would rank Phil Heaths physique over Coleman any day. Aesthetics > size
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    Drew Jemmott, same structure and separations, but he started too old to actually get to Coleman's level.
    Their back is identical in terms of separations, their legs too but Drew is wayyyyy behind on the legs and overall conditioning.





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    Originally Posted by spamy View Post
    Ronnie Coleman is the best counterargument against those saying that will never be another Ronnie Coleman. From 16th in 92, poor placings and not a very impressive physique to the best ever. Who knew back then?

    This. There is always another one out there, a young stud who has yet to come into his own, to reach his full potential. Somewhere, someday, we will see another dominant force. Just don't expect it anytime soon like this
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    the only reason Coleman turned to what he was is because he needed to look like that to win..

    today theres no need to look like Ronnie to win.. if the competition keeps improving then maybe some will get to or surpass Coleman level.. But it will take a lot of time.. todays competition if anything is getting smaller..
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    There will never be another Ronnie. He was the whole package including a great personality. There will be versions of him and maybe bigger, but there will not be another Ronnie. You are under estimating what he did for the sport.
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    Originally Posted by pharmamarketer View Post
    There will never be another Ronnie. He was the whole package including a great personality. There will be versions of him and maybe bigger, but there will not be another Ronnie. You are under estimating what he did for the sport.
    he grew bigger and better than everyone else, that's pretty much it.

    also I woudn't go as far as saying that he had introduced a great personality, seems kinda average to me.
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    Originally Posted by RoroCwalker View Post
    Drew Jemmott, same structure and separations, but he started too old to actually get to Coleman's level.
    Their back is identical in terms of separations, their legs too but Drew is wayyyyy behind on the legs and overall conditioning.




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