The Most Optimal 3on/1off BB program, ever. (srs)

[petertuck]

Can deadlifts be done on back day

no m8

to expand on this: you arent gonna be able to deadlift at your max 24 hours after doing max effort squat and sldl, when i run this routine i would deadlift sometimes and when i deadlifted i would do it on leg day instead of squats as the first lift, then do some lighter front squats after so i was still getting a squat movement in

[Tb0282]

This routine has more than one working set.

[petertuck]

This routine has more than one working set.

the one in the OP according to ethan is 'wrong' and he wrote it like that to 'satisfy the tbb volume junkies' and apparently it was really 1 working set 'all along' but he knew 'everyone would change the sets anyway'


you know what ethan is like bro lol

[Tb0282]

the one in the OP according to ethan is 'wrong' and he wrote it like that to 'satisfy the tbb volume junkies' and apparently it was really 1 working set 'all along' but he knew 'everyone would change the sets anyway'


you know what ethan is like bro lol

lmao.

I just can't wait to see him several months from now when he finds a new "optimal" training protocol

[NZninja101]

lmao.

I just can't wait to see him several months from now when he finds a new "optimal" training protocol

As true as this is, I still kinda miss that goober.

[TheJediBrah]

As true as this is, I still kinda miss that goober.

I'm allowed to film in public you Goooober

[clester8]

Awesome routine... I have been running my own spin-off of this for some time now and continue to see results. I have been looking for a way to switch it up a little. Great post!

[wannabebigrick]

This routine has more than one working set.

lmao.

I just can't wait to see him several months from now when he finds a new "optimal" training protocol

the one in the OP according to ethan is 'wrong' and he wrote it like that to 'satisfy the tbb volume junkies' and apparently it was really 1 working set 'all along' but he knew 'everyone would change the sets anyway'


you know what ethan is like bro lol

bro you have to wait 8 days in between, lml



oh ethan when will you learn

[petertuck]

bro you have to wait 8 days in between, lml



oh ethan when will you learn

absolutely dead at 8 days LML

[wannabebigrick]

absolutely dead at 8 days LML

lol that thread was pretty funny though

[tekno17]

Has anyone used this and what were your gains like?
Thx

[mackey1123]

try monster sets

[redwine91]

Bumping for thoughts on routine. I'm about to start this.

[OGandrews]

This looks like a good routine for a natural

[tinytim1]

Bumping for thoughts on routine. I'm about to start this.

Cant be that good if the person that wrote it even said it's wrong...

[HF93]

Been working out for 2 months. Really want to do this routine. What is the reason he said not to?

[azmic123]

If you were gonna add regular deadlifts to this workout would you do it for back or legs, I understand this changes the routine.

[tinytim1]

If you were gonna add regular deadlifts to this workout would you do it for back or legs, I understand this changes the routine.

Back day. But i'd recomend tht you do babylovers ss instead of this

[azmic123]

Back day. But i'd recomend tht you do babylovers ss instead of this

Did it for 3 months saw better strength gains off that but seeing better size/weight gains off this.

[cnatboy]

Did it for 3 months saw better strength gains off that but seeing better size/weight gains off this.

Had the same experience... this program is the best I've done for size/aesthetics, but not necessarily for strength.

Depends on your goal.

[AH7]

Have done this routine for the last 1 year straight with amazing gains, I've been thinking of now changing it up to a Push/Pull/Legs routine (Coolciada's) instead, what are peoples thoughts or should i stick to this format what do you think is more optimal?

[JichaelMordan]

I plan to do this routine except with DB Stiff-Legged Deadlifts instead of RDL on leg day and Rack Pulls on Back/delts day without TBAR Rows.

You're not stopping me from doing heavy deads.

[Dental420giene]

I plan to do this routine except with DB Stiff-Legged Deadlifts instead of RDL on leg day and Rack Pulls on Back/delts day without TBAR Rows.

You're not stopping me from doing heavy deads.

This routine is not optimal for a beginner by any means.

In other words, don't do it.

[EzTeBaN]

lol~

3 on / 1 off

Day 1 : Chest/Arms

-Flat Barbell Bench 3x6-8
-Incline Dumbbell Bench 3x6-8
-Flat Dumbbell Flye 3x8-10
-Dips 3x10-12
* Cable Crossover performed every 2nd-3rd session *

-Barbell Curl 3x6-8 / Lying French Press 3x6-8
-Incline Dumbbell Curl 3x8-10 / Tricep Pressdown 3x10-12
-Preacher Curl 3x8-10/ Overhead Extension 3x8-10

Workout Duration : Approximately 45-60 minutes

Day 2 : Legs/Calves

-Back Squats 3x6-8 (alternate with Front Squats)
-Leg Press 3x8-10
-Leg Extension 3x10-12
-Romanian Deadlift 3x6-8
* Leg Curls performed every 2nd-3rd session *

-Calf Press 3x15-20
-Standing Calf Raise 3x15-20
-Seated Calf Raise 3x6-10

Workout Duration : Approximately 40-50 minutes

Day 3 : Back/Delts

-Barbell Row 3x6-8
-Lat Pulldown 3x10-12
-Cable Row 3x8-10
-TBAR Row 3x6-8 (Dumbbell Row if heavy enough DB's)
* Shrugs performed every 2nd-3rd session *

-Military Press 3x6-8
-Side Lateral / Rear Lateral 3x8-10
-Upright Row 3x6-8

*Face Pulls performed @ end for shoulder health

Workout Duration : 45-60 minutes


Rest time: 1minute,30seconds - 2 minutes for the Power Movements on each body part; ie:
Incline Barbell,Front Squats,Barbell Row,Barbell Curl,Lying French Press,Military Press,etc.

Rest time: 45 seconds - 1 minute for the Isolation & Hypertrophy Movements on each body part;ie :
Incline Dumbbell Curl, Dumbbell Flye, Cable Row, Tricep Pushdown, etc.

Rep Range: You want to stay in 6-10 for mass on most movements. It's acceptable to use higher reps on movements such as Leg Press,Leg Extension,Tricep Pressdowns going up to about 12-15; occasional widowmakers are permitted but try to just lift HEAVY , Controlled, and up the weight if you can get over 10 reps. A nice method is you use your 10 rep maximum, then continue using the same weight on the next sets, as this will make your sets look like 10-8-then 7/6 reps which will put you in the desired rep range. The following workout if you up the weight, you will most likely get something like 9/7/6 and you can keep working on the weight until you feel comfortable using it for 10. The same applies to the lower rep power emphasized exercises.

It is ok to go down to the 4-5 rep range on the Foundation Power Movements, but it is highly advised that you have a spotter with you that will help you get some forced reps in to get at least 6 reps on each movement; you can also simply just drop the weight really quickly and continue getting some reps. Remember, we are looking to maximize the potential for size gains on this routine; 6-10 should really be your foundation. It's fine to go rather heavy without sacrificing form or opening up the room to injury in the ~4-5 rep range, but have a spotter assist you with some forced reps after!

Why do this 3on/1off ? : Well because Lee Haney(8X Mr.Olympia) did it, thus that means it's the best... lol not srs,srs,not srs,semi-srs.

But this is the real reason why IMHO this is the superior 3 on - 1 off programming...

#1. Chest should be trained with Triceps to avoid overtraining them on this kind of frequency; anecdotally when people do Triceps 24-36 hours before Chest in high volume training,their bench will suffer or the recovery will not be adequate. (An example is the Chest/Back,Legs,Delts/Arms,Off routine) However, this allows one to train Chest & triceps together, while ALSO..

#2. Allowing you to train Back separately from Biceps. Too many people complain about how their biceps don't grow, and they need to "emphasize" them when they are not weakened by prior back training. This is different from Tricep training, as Chest->Tricep seems to tie in together MUCH better than Back to Biceps does. Focus on your guns separately from your back!

#3. Training Legs the day before back day allows for heavier poundages, and not being limited by weak stability or scorched erectors. You are more susceptible to injury having a fatigued back before training legs; the vice versa is much safer and you are not looking to train your erectors on back day anyways - rather it is more lat/trap/rhomboid/teres emphasis.

#4. Keeping Press frequency high seems to be key in adding poundages quickly to your pushing muscles. As discussed earlier, triceps unfortunately don't recover as fast which is why we had them placed on the same day as Chest; since we are planning to train them twice in a week. However, the minimal tricep stimulation received by only performing 1 press on Shoulder day will allow for adequate recovery two days later when Chest is trained. Shoulders also have a faster recovery rate ; especially since our primary focus on the Deltoid training day is to hit the Side & Rear Deltoids with only one press movement being done. Front Deltoids will receive far more than an adequate amount of stimulus on two separate days - on Chest day where they are being absolutely pummeled; especially with all the Incline emphasis - followed by Back/Deltoid day where the Military Press/Upright Row/Laterals are being performed; all of which stimulate the front deltoids(especially exercise #1). We can continue having high press frequency, WITHOUT letting our poundages suffer, and allowing adequate recovery. Too often we hear of people complaining about their lack of pressing strength; legs and back seem to progress just fine being trained every ~3-4 days or more. Pressing should be done more often.

#5 - Having Chest and Shoulder day separate is always a plus. Now we can focus solely on Bench one day, and pure Press another day; while CONTINUING 2x a week frequency and no overlap. How many times have you been angry that your Press goes down the toilet as soon as you do a Bench before it on a "Push Day"? But then you realize that logically you SHOULD be doing the benching first, so there really isn't much you can do about unless you make it a 4on/1off to put them on separate days or some other options. Look no more fellow shoulder geeks; you now have the chance to go ALL OUT on both Bench and Press SEPARATELY in 3 days ! and BREAK PR'S while being fresh. There are many more reasons....these were just a select [5].

I guarantee anybody who goes on this type of programming consistently,eats lots of protein,and stays consistent for even 3 months will see major changes both in size and strength. Already know several people in person that have been doing this for a while, one of which recently went from a 195 pound to 218 pound bodyweight, with minimal fat gain, and is tipping ~18 inches on his arms naturally.

All and all, my point is this is the GOAT (or one of the GOATs)

Have fun, and yes I believe 3on/1off is the most optimal training program for bodybuilding. ^ ^ . 72 hours is perfect before training a muscle; and helps keep people consistent on a 2x a week frequency. People get burned out going 6 days in a row on 6on/1off's, and most people simply find their performance and growth significantly better with an offday after the third day. Seemed to work for the following people..







Cya!

On back day, those T Bar rooooooowsssss....

How to perform em? Wide grip? Close? D:

Programs looks tasty AF

[NotThereYet25]

Bumping for thoughts.

-Back Squats 3x6-8 (alternate with Front Squats)
-Leg Press 3x8-10
-Leg Extension 3x10-12
-Romanian Deadlift 3x6-8
* Leg Curls performed every 2nd-3rd session *


Isn't there an imbalance between quads and hams work?

[EzTeBaN]

In this program can I add the OHP?

Or better stick the program the way it is?

[Partyrocking]

In this program can I add the OHP?

Or better stick the program the way it is?

Military Press is just a specific variant of OHP, so you can do a standard OHP instead.

[ShadowCien]

Pretty old but worth asking anyways. Would this be a good workout for someone who has been working out for a while but not with any specific program? Or is this for advanced lifters?

[JustAGuy94]

Ive bene using this split for the past 2 months. IMO the leg day in OP's post has to many exercises. He needs to drop a few of them and add more sets to his squats. 3 sets of squat is not nearly enough, you should be hitting 5-8 sets if you want progress.