Trans fats affect body composition IIFYM?

[JoelJoseph]

current fat goal is 90 grams
as far as body composition goes, getting that fat from trans fats or saturated fats would it have an impact if I hit 90grams?

[WonderPug]

It's a practical impossibility to derive all dietary fat from trans fats or saturated fat, unless you're engaging in acts of stupidly beyond belief.

That said, saturated fat is essential. Naturally occurring tans fats, in typically consumed quantities, are likely innocuous. Avoid industrial trans fats as much as possible, mostly because they're atherogenic.

[JoelJoseph]

It's a practical impossibility to derive all dietary fat from trans fats or saturated fat, unless you're engaging in acts of stupidly beyond belief.

That said, saturated fat is essential. Naturally occurring tans fats, in typically consumed quantities, are likely innocuous. Avoid industrial trans fats as much as possible, mostly because they're atherogenic.

Apologies that should have said, 'trans fat or saturated fats ect'
So am I right to say that IIFYM has some flaws in this sense

[nobrah]

Apologies that should have said, 'trans fat or saturated fats ect'
So am I right to say that IIFYM has some flaws in this sense

Yes, IIFYM is horribly flawed because the acronym is so open to misinterpretation, straw men, and moronic extreme examples.

[JoelJoseph]

Yes, IIFYM is horribly flawed because the acronym is so open to misinterpretation, straw men, and moronic extreme examples.

I watched an interview with layne on the matter as far as laziness in people and IIFYM are concerned
I find myself re thinking things such as 'complex carbs vs simple carbs' ect which at first I thought was bro science now coming closer to my diet I'd like reassurance on what is backed by science and what's just the 'lingo' on the street

[nobrah]

I'd like reassurance on what is backed by science and what's just the 'lingo' on the street

No problem. If you don't want to dig into studies and textbooks (I don't blame you ), just post a list of "rituals" or advice you're concerned about and folks here will tell you if it's backed by science or not. Though for a lot of stuff you may find that the answer is "it depends". For example, complex vs. simple carbs may not directly affect body composition in any significant way, but may impact performance or general health such that body composition is indirectly affected.

[WonderPug]

Yes, IIFYM is horribly flawed because the acronym is so open to misinterpretation, straw men, and moronic extreme examples.

I love JasonDB's explanation (perhaps paraphrased): "IIFYM's is an IQ test for the fitness world."

[nobrah]

I love JasonDB's explanation (perhaps paraphrased): "IIFYM's is an IQ test for the fitness world."

How apt. Eventually I won't need to post on this forum any longer because his videos answer all of the questions.

[germaine07]

Apologies that should have said, 'trans fat or saturated fats ect'

And by that you mean, derive all fats from trans fats, saturated fats, poly-unsaturated fats & mono-unsaturated fats? If that's the case, then how else would you get your fat?

[JoelJoseph]

And by that you mean, derive all fats from trans fats, saturated fats, poly-unsaturated fats & mono-unsaturated fats? If that's the case, then how else would you get your fat?

again my fault
basically what I was asking was, as far as body composition goes-
eating a diet where fats derive from mostly trans fats vs eating a diet where fats derive mostly from 'good' fats

[ironwill2008]

basically what I was asking was, as far as body composition goes-
eating a diet where fats derive from mostly trans fats vs eating a diet where fats derive mostly from 'good' fats

Your body composition would suffer greatly if you were dead.

[Lincoln Biscuit]

No it won't. In the long term it may impact on your health, but in the short term it doesn't matter. In terms of of body composition it'll make no difference. Just make sure your getting 6g fish oil per day

Trans-fat scaremongers are usually focused on overweight people who get no exercise. Since your on this site i think your not one of them. try to avoid it if possible but it'll do no harm to a healthy person.

[JoelJoseph]

Your body composition would suffer greatly if you were dead.

lol

[WonderPug]

basically what I was asking was, as far as body composition goes-
eating a diet where fats derive from mostly trans fats vs eating a diet where fats derive mostly from 'good' fats

Please explain how you can compose a rational diet that derives most fat from trans fats. Also, please tell of if you're talking about industrial trans fats or naturally occurring trans fats. Lastly, what are "good fats" and "bad fats", specially?

[AlwaysTryin]

Trans-fat scaremongers are usually focused on overweight people who get no exercise. Since your on this site i think your not one of them. try to avoid it if possible but it'll do no harm to a healthy person.

What?? Since when would all artificial trans fats do no harm

[joeyddi]

It's a practical impossibility to derive all dietary fat from trans fats or saturated fat, unless you're engaging in acts of stupidly beyond belief.

That said, saturated fat is essential. Naturally occurring tans fats, in typically consumed quantities, are likely innocuous. Avoid industrial trans fats as much as possible, mostly because they're atherogenic.

100% agree. Stay away from trans fats like the plague. First cold pressed olive oil is my favored main staple. Good old Mrs. Calment lived to 122 and poured raw olive oil on everything. Of course she smoked a few cigarettes too but that's not the point ;-) I also supplement with Martek's DHA. You can buy from any reseller. I take 1g of DHA a day. 500mg is about one tuna sandwich. Great brain food. Lol on wonderpug "chasing cats since 1967". I've caught quite a few cats myself ;-)

[WonderPug]

Stay away from trans fats like the plague.

That's silly. Why would you avoid red meat, for example???

Avoiding industrial trans fats, well, that's a different story.

[joeyddi]

That's silly. Why would you avoid red meat, for example???

Avoiding industrial trans fats, well, that's a different story.

generally when one speaks about trans fats they are talking about the manufactured variety aka twinkies. the amount that is naturally occurring in food is drastically lower.

[joeyddi]

That's silly. Why would you avoid red meat, for example???

Avoiding industrial trans fats, well, that's a different story.

some knuckle heads got together and said how can we make a piece of food last a few years. They architected heating the fat up to a ridiculous amount making it like plastic with the same good fat taste. Then they stuck a twinkie in a package on a shelf for as long as it takes to get sold. Consumers went for it. Then years later everybody is showing up at the morgue from heart attacks....

[WonderPug]

generally when one speaks about trans fats they are talking about the manufactured variety aka twinkies. the amount that is naturally occurring in food is drastically lower.

Twinkies contain 0.0 grams of trans fats. Yes, that's a big fat ZERO!

Do you want to try again?

[joeyddi]

Twinkies contain 0.0 grams of trans fats. Yes, that's a big fat ZERO!

Do you want to try again?

i'm talking about the twinkies of old. obviously after there was a consumer backlash all the companies figured out it doesn't make good business sense to kill customers

[WonderPug]

i'm talking about the twinkies of old. obviously after there was a consumer backlash all the companies figured out it doesn't make good business sense to kill customers

Actually, it sounds like you're talking without the knowing what you're talking about, and now you're trying to backpedal.

[JOSEF RAKICH]

It's a practical impossibility to derive all dietary fat from trans fats or saturated fat, unless you're engaging in acts of stupidly beyond belief.

Lol hard, this.

[joeyddi]

Actually, it sounds like you're talking without the knowing what you're talking about, and now you're trying to backpedal.

i was agreeing with you. so how would I backpedal?

[joebrosef]

some knuckle heads got together and said how can we make a piece of food last a few years. They architected heating the fat up to a ridiculous amount making it like plastic with the same good fat taste. Then they stuck a twinkie in a package on a shelf for as long as it takes to get sold. Consumers went for it. Then years later everybody is showing up at the morgue from heart attacks....

lol @ blaming their deaths solely on trans fats.

arent the only legit trans fat studies done on mice and monkeys where they were given an unrealistic amount of it?

[joeyddi]

lol @ blaming their deaths solely on trans fats.

arent the only legit trans fat studies done on mice and monkeys where they were given an unrealistic amount of it?

just go to nih.gov and look at the 1000's of studies linking trans fats to atherosclerosis. if i could post links i would. obviously a diet of trans fats is not the sole contributor but these sorts of habits generally go hand in hand with poor education on nutrition or if they are knowledgeable than they simply don't care. to each his own. if you are knowledgeable about the dangers and still want to take the risk you are certainly willing to do so. there was a study done on bodybuilders decades ago where they were asked if they could take a pill and win olympia but also die early would they and a majority said they would. i used to be in that camp too so I understand the desire...

[joebrosef]

just go to nih.gov and look at the 1000's of studies linking trans fats to atherosclerosis. if i could post links i would. obviously a diet of trans fats is not the sole contributor but these sorts of habits generally go hand in hand with poor education on nutrition or if they are knowledgeable than they simply don't care. to each his own. if you are knowledgeable about the dangers and still want to take the risk you are certainly willing to do so. there was a study done on bodybuilders decades ago where they were asked if they could take a pill and win olympia but also die early would they and a majority said they would. i used to be in that camp too so I understand the desire...

if you actually took time out to read these studies you will find that more than half of these arent relevant to humans and the other half arent relevant to people preaching moderation and healthy lifestyle.

If you want to make a claim that taking in 0.01g trans fat at one given time will increase your heartattack risk by X% then that is an opinion not supported by the facts.

[joeyddi]

if you actually took time out to read these studies you will find that more than half of these arent relevant to humans and the other half arent relevant to people preaching moderation and healthy lifestyle.

If you want to make a claim that taking in 0.01g trans fat at one given time will increase your heartattack risk by X% then that is an opinion not supported by the facts.

yes i agree with you on both counts. obviously all this is highly dependent on dosage. i used to work for dupont/nen where i would enter in LDL50 sheets on every chemical (ie what dose of chemicals killed half the mice). Everything had a number. Morbid work. They also had human numbers don't know where they got the data. So yes it's all dosage dependent and there is an acceptable safe level of things (ie arsenic naturally occurring in food). And you could drink enough water or eat enough sugar to kill you in one sitting which are generally considered safe. haha

[JoelJoseph]

Please explain how you can compose a rational diet that derives most fat from trans fats. Also, please tell of if you're talking about industrial trans fats or naturally occurring trans fats. Lastly, what are "good fats" and "bad fats", specially?

I don't know if you understand my questions..
Let's say a person ate 2 different meals both with the same fat in grams
however assume one meal had more trans fats than the other
would that affect body composition
that is all

[WonderPug]

I don't know if you understand my questions..
Let's say a person ate 2 different meals both with the same fat in grams
however assume one meal had more trans fats than the other
would that affect body composition
that is all

What specific fatty acids are they consuming in what specific doses and what does the rest of their total diet look like for a protracted period of time? With that information, someone might make a wild guess, especially if you use utterly extreme and ridiculous examples.