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    ITT I will explain in detail what overtraining REALLY is, no bull****

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    Repped OP.

    Literally everytime I see a thread pop up with a 15 yr old on some dumb 4-5 day split, doing 15 minute cardio sessions before each working out. Saying that they're "over training", it brings
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    No such thing as overtraining, only such thing as under-recovering
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    Originally Posted by TylerP4 View Post
    No such thing as overtraining, only such thing as under-recovering
    This.

    My split is 5-6 days lifting, 3-4 hours spent at the gym with cardio everyday and I also have boxing/muay thai kickboxing 4-5 times a week for an hour each

    And I'm perfectly fine.
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    Originally Posted by TylerP4 View Post
    No such thing as overtraining, only such thing as under-recovering
    Originally Posted by V3lcity View Post
    This.

    My split is 5-6 days lifting, 3-4 hours spent at the gym with cardio everyday and I also have boxing/muay thai kickboxing 4-5 times a week for an hour each

    And I'm perfectly fine.
    You're both wrong, overtraining objectively exists, and its undebatable when you understand what overtraining actually means.

    You can continue to think whatever suits you though.
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    Originally Posted by LegosInMyEgos View Post
    You're both wrong, overtraining objectively exists, and its undebatable when you understand what overtraining actually means.

    You can continue to think whatever suits you though.
    I guess I just have excellent recovery lol
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    Originally Posted by V3lcity View Post
    I guess I just have excellent recovery lol
    There are several possible reasons why you're "fine".

    The most likely reason being that your intensity in the gym isn't high enough to cause overtraining. I can't do more then speculate unless I have more information though.
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    Originally Posted by LegosInMyEgos View Post
    There are several possible reasons why you're "fine".

    The most likely reason being that your intensity in the gym isn't high enough to cause overtraining. I can't do more then speculate unless I have more information though.
    Nah I train intense as ****-- supersets, negatives, etc.

    Example of chest/biceps day:
    -3 sets Flat DB press, 80's, 90's, 100's - 12, 10, 8 reps (15-30 sec rest)
    -3 sets Incline DB press, 70's, 80's, 90's - 12, 10, 8 reps (15-30 sec rest)
    -4 sets chest flies w/ bands- 15, 12, 10, 8,
    -4 sets of chest dips all the way up and down (start out with 50 dips, usually lowers to about 20) supersetted 20 reversegrip pull-ups all the way up and down
    -3 sets barbell curls supersetted with diamond pushups til failure (easily get 50-70 on first set)
    -2 sets incline db curls
    -2 sets incline hammer db curls
    -2 sets curls with bands

    Barely rest between sets and when I do its like 30 seconds between different exercises or like a minute for supersetted exercises

    Usually dead by then, if not i burnout on random ****, and then hit treadmill for 15 min (8 mph)

    and in addition to that I have my boxing/muaythai classes like two hours after my gym sesh

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    The only thing that gets overtrained is your nervous system, and when that happens, the muscles are no longer able to contract. You can't really overtrain a muscle, I do like 30 ****in sets for my back workouts and back is my best bodypart. You just have to find a balance where you're giving the muscle enough stimulation without taxing your nervous system TOO much.
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    Originally Posted by V3lcity View Post
    Nah I train intense as ****-- supersets, negatives, etc.

    Example of chest/biceps day:
    -3 sets Flat DB press, 80's, 90's, 100's - 12, 10, 8 reps (15-30 sec rest)
    -3 sets Incline DB press, 70's, 80's, 90's - 12, 10, 8 reps (15-30 sec rest)
    -4 sets chest flies w/ bands- 15, 12, 10, 8,
    -4 sets of chest dips all the way up and down (start out with 50 dips, usually lowers to about 20) supersetted 20 reversegrip pull-ups all the way up and down
    -3 sets barbell curls supersetted with diamond pushups til failure (easily get 50-70 on first set)
    -2 sets incline db curls
    -2 sets incline hammer db curls
    -2 sets curls with bands

    Barely rest between sets and when I do its like 30 seconds between different exercises or like a minute for supersetted exercises

    Usually dead by then, if not i burnout on random ****, and then hit treadmill for 15 min (8 mph)

    srs
    Upper body works are nowhere near as taxing as lower workouts.

    What do you on back/leg day?

    Also, I have no idea how intense that is for you, because I dont know how much you can DB press.
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    Originally Posted by D6A6N6I6E6L6 View Post
    The only thing that gets overtrained is your nervous system, and when that happens, the muscles are no longer able to contract. You can't really overtrain a muscle, I do like 30 ****in sets for my back workouts and back is my best bodypart. You just have to find a balance where you're giving the muscle enough stimulation without taxing your nervous system TOO much.
    Well, you can overtrain a muscle in a sense...... its called an overuse injury.

    But overtraining is purely CNS based term, muscular atrophy will take an extremely long time to take place if it occurs at all.
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    Its important to note that its theoretically possible to have a capacity to do work that is actually so high that it is practically impossible to overtrain. But that doesn't mean that overtraining doesn't exist. In virtually all cases a work capacity like that is going to be the result of drugs, and doesn't take away from the fact that knowledge of overtraining is very important if a natural strength athlete want to excel at a high level.
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    Originally Posted by LegosInMyEgos View Post
    Upper body works are nowhere near as taxing as lower workouts.

    What do you on back/leg day?

    Also, I have no idea how intense that is for you, because I dont know how much you can DB press.
    I usually do back w/ triceps and legs has it's own day always -- my legs are probably my "biggest" muscles when comparing proportionality

    back/triceps:
    -warm up with 3-4 sets of wide-grip pull ups til failure (usually like 20, 15, 12, 12)
    -3 sets of the row machine where you're on an incline with your chest (8, 10, 12 -- 3 45 plates, 2 45's and a 25, 2 45's)
    -4 sets lat pull down (15, 12, 10, 8)
    -2 sets of lat pulldowns with a straight bar standing up slightly bent forward
    -3 sets bent over rows with barbell
    -3 sets seated rows
    -3 sets skullcrushers (12, 10, 8 -- 90, 100, 110 barbell)
    -3 sets tricep pulldowns
    -3 sets seated dips
    -3 set tricep extensions

    Leg day
    -3 sets leg press machine where u add plates (12, 10, 8 -- 7 plates, 8 plates, 10 plates each side)
    -5 sets calf press on smith leg press machine
    -3 sets quad extensions
    -3 sets calf raises
    -4 sets hamstring machine

    Yes I don't squat yet have huge legs
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    Originally Posted by V3lcity View Post
    I usually do back w/ triceps and legs has it's own day always -- my legs are probably my "biggest" muscles when comparing proportionality

    back/triceps:
    -warm up with 3-4 sets of wide-grip pull ups til failure (usually like 20, 15, 12, 12)
    -3 sets of the row machine where you're on an incline with your chest (8, 10, 12 -- 3 45 plates, 2 45's and a 25, 2 45's)
    -4 sets lat pull down (15, 12, 10, 8)
    -2 sets of lat pulldowns with a straight bar standing up slightly bent forward
    -3 sets bent over rows with barbell
    -3 sets seated rows
    -3 sets skullcrushers (12, 10, 8 -- 90, 100, 110 barbell)
    -3 sets tricep pulldowns
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    -3 set tricep extensions

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    Yes I don't squat yet have huge legs
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    Then I go into the room with the heavy bags and just do bunch of bodyweight **** for my legs that we do in muaythai
    Well theres your answer. No heavy compounds in your program, and very few compounds at all.

    If you dropped the rep range and added squats or deads, you would hit a wall pretty quick.

    Only training at the high end of the rep range is not good for hypertrophy if thats what your after. You're neglecting the largest motor neurons that innervate muscle fibers activated only during maximal effort or repetition effort sets.
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    ITT OP doesnt use compounds. lol @ you. some people use them and can overtrain


    continue with your hamstring curls
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    I came in here expecting to lose my **** lol. Assumed OP would be a person that joined yesterday and is handing out advice.
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    Originally Posted by apples09 View Post
    ITT OP doesnt use compounds. lol @ you. some people use them and can overtrain


    continue with your hamstring curls
    LIME does compounds, it was the other guy who doesn't.
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    you got an afro?
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    subbed and repped. great vids
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    Originally Posted by apples09 View Post
    ITT OP doesnt use compounds. lol @ you. some people use them and can overtrain


    continue with your hamstring curls
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    u wot m8??
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    Originally Posted by FeelTheFear View Post
    you got an afro?
    yes i do

    Originally Posted by timmzzy1 View Post
    subbed and repped. great vids
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    great information
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    Originally Posted by V3lcity View Post
    Nah I train intense as ****-- supersets, negatives, etc.

    Example of chest/biceps day:
    -3 sets Flat DB press, 80's, 90's, 100's - 12, 10, 8 reps (15-30 sec rest)
    -3 sets Incline DB press, 70's, 80's, 90's - 12, 10, 8 reps (15-30 sec rest)
    -4 sets chest flies w/ bands- 15, 12, 10, 8,
    -4 sets of chest dips all the way up and down (start out with 50 dips, usually lowers to about 20) supersetted 20 reversegrip pull-ups all the way up and down
    -3 sets barbell curls supersetted with diamond pushups til failure (easily get 50-70 on first set)
    -2 sets incline db curls
    -2 sets incline hammer db curls
    -2 sets curls with bands

    Barely rest between sets and when I do its like 30 seconds between different exercises or like a minute for supersetted exercises

    Usually dead by then, if not i burnout on random ****, and then hit treadmill for 15 min (8 mph)

    and in addition to that I have my boxing/muaythai classes like two hours after my gym sesh

    srs
    That is an intense workout...son wtf?

    srs that looks like the total of my warmup sets...



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    Didn't watch vids,cliffs?

    Who cares if you can overtrain or not? I never get why people bitch about it so much when they started lifting for like a week. I personally overreached a couple times and each time i came out stronger
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    Originally Posted by TylerP4 View Post
    No such thing as overtraining, only such thing as under-recovering
    did you even bother watching the ****ing video?...



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    work on your calves OP, they are really behind
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    Originally Posted by daniel2754 View Post
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    great information
    thanks bro.

    Originally Posted by lajoo View Post
    Didn't watch vids,cliffs?

    Who cares if you can overtrain or not? I never get why people bitch about it so much when they started lifting for like a week. I personally overreached a couple times and each time i came out stronger
    do you know what overeaching means?

    Originally Posted by Xuaxace View Post
    did you even bother watching the ****ing video?...



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    Originally Posted by Mattash2g View Post
    work on your calves OP, they are really behind
    It probably has at least a little bit to do with the fact that I don't train them.
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    This is a good video. People tell me I am overtraining because I do Full body 3-4x a week; it's hilarious. They haven't a clue what overtraining is. Then you have people like this joker who thinks his Chest/Bicep routine is super intense and that it's necessary to train 4 hours a day 6 days a week LOL. I bet he is benching 185.

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