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    Amendment 3018 Passes

    Here is the roll call for Amendment 3018 to the NDAA. The amendment reinforces the rights prescribed to Americans in the Sixth Amendment of the Constitution, to ensure that American citizens cannot held indefinitely without trial. The amendment passed 67-29.

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    Ayotte (R-NH)
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    What could be the reasoning for those that voted "nay"?
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    Originally Posted by Hola Bola View Post
    What could be the reasoning for those that voted "nay"?
    I didn't know Lieberman needed a reason to be completely asinine.
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    Originally Posted by tk217 View Post
    I didn't know Lieberman needed a reason to be completely asinine.
    I wasn't surprised to see his name... but Rubio... soniamdisappoint.jpg
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    Originally Posted by Hola Bola View Post
    What could be the reasoning for those that voted "nay"?
    Same reasoning for agreeing with the NDAA before this amendment and parts of the Patriot Act.

    Next they're going to go after our guns one WASR at a time. (not srs)
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    Text of amendment
    At the end of Subtitle D of title X, add the following:

    Sec. 1032. PROHIBITION ON THE INDEFINITE DETENTION OF CITIZENS AND LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS.

    Section 4001 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-

    (1) by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c); and

    (2) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:

    "(b)(1) An authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States apprehended in the United States, unless an Act of Congress expressly authorizes such detention.

    "(2) Paragraph (1) applies to an authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority enacted before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013.

    "(3) Paragraph (1) shall not be construed to authorize the detention of a citizen of the United States, a lawful permanent resident of the United States, or any other person who is apprehended in the United States.".
    Opposed by the ACLU and others because they don't like the verbiage about citizens and lawful residents. Deets here:
    http://www.aclu.org/national-securit...-groups-oppose

    I'm 100% sure that people like mcconnell didn't vote against it because they agree with the ACLU so what is their opposition to it?
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    Lot of republican "nays" in there...and they have the audacity to wonder why they lose elections?!
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    Originally Posted by Rockchalk0420 View Post
    Lot of republican "nays" in there...and they have the audacity to wonder why they lose elections?!
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    Originally Posted by jafomofo View Post
    Text of amendment
    At the end of Subtitle D of title X, add the following:

    Sec. 1032. PROHIBITION ON THE INDEFINITE DETENTION OF CITIZENS AND LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENTS.

    Section 4001 of title 18, United States Code, is amended-

    (1) by redesignating subsection (b) as subsection (c); and

    (2) by inserting after subsection (a) the following:

    "(b)(1) An authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority shall not authorize the detention without charge or trial of a citizen or lawful permanent resident of the United States apprehended in the United States, unless an Act of Congress expressly authorizes such detention.

    "(2) Paragraph (1) applies to an authorization to use military force, a declaration of war, or any similar authority enacted before, on, or after the date of the enactment of the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2013.

    "(3) Paragraph (1) shall not be construed to authorize the detention of a citizen of the United States, a lawful permanent resident of the United States, or any other person who is apprehended in the United States.".
    - At first I thought maybe Nayers opposed it in case a terrorist who was an American was apprehended abroad, but in (1) it clearly states Americans would only be protected if they're caught IN America.
    - (1) and (3) appear to be conflicting. Does (3) protect immigrants here on Visas or illegal immigrants? because only Americans are explicitly protected from indefinite detention by this amendment- it's stated both in (1) and in the title of the amendment. Yet (3) says that (1) can't be interpreted to authorize the indefinite detention of anybody who is apprehended in the US.

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    There was varying opinions on this as to what it protected, if it went far enough, or did more harm than good for non-citizens in the US. I think an article on the ACLU site summed up the negatives the best. Since I can't post links due to post count, google "Don't Be Fooled by New NDAA Detention Amendment"
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    The whole thing is much to do about nothing.
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    Originally Posted by Rockchalk0420 View Post
    Lot of republican "nays" in there...and they have the audacity to wonder why they lose elections?!
    Sadly, not in Texas. Cornyn isn't going anywhere. Hutchison is out but it's probably b/c she supported the bailouts and other **** and knew it was time for her to cash out and get big $$$ from all the lobbyists she's helped out over the years (like, you know, every single ****ing one of them).
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    Originally Posted by JUSA View Post
    Sadly, not in Texas. Cornyn isn't going anywhere. Hutchison is out but it's probably b/c she supported the bailouts and other **** and knew it was time for her to cash out and get big $$$ from all the lobbyists she's helped out over the years (like, you know, every single ****ing one of them).
    I counted three registered democrats in the "Nay" column. (Four if you throw in Lieberman who is an Independent) The rest of the "nays" were solidly Republican. The party that is "supposedly" for less government sure doesn't vote like they are. You get what you vote for, we need to vote these people OUT of power and replace them with liberty minded people!

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    Well there goes rubios chance at campaigning as small government in 2016.
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    Originally Posted by Rockchalk0420 View Post
    I counted three registered democrats in the "Nay" column. (Four if you throw in Lieberman who is an Independent) The rest of the "nays" were solidly Republican. The party that is "supposedly" for less government sure doesn't vote like they are. You get what you vote for, we need to vote these people OUT of power and replace them with liberty minded people!

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    Originally Posted by amtharin View Post
    How is this an anti-small government vote??
    NDAA gave the government unprecedented authority to hold American citizens without due process. I'd say that is a pretty obvious power grab.
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    Originally Posted by Rockchalk0420 View Post
    NDAA gave the government unprecedented authority to hold American citizens without due process. I'd say that is a pretty obvious power grab.
    It does not supersede the Constitution. This is a fake issue.
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    Originally Posted by hayekforever View Post
    wat
    mccain is a good guy, he is ignorant of foreign policy and views it from a more emotional perspective but his intentions are always good. He also created a bill to prevent corruption, Obama refused to endorse it
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    Originally Posted by pacer90 View Post
    Well there goes rubios chance at campaigning as small government in 2016.
    Small government in regards to corporations. Big government for the enforcing of their family values.
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    There are three problems with her amendment:

    It would NOT make America off-limits to the military being used to imprison civilians without charge or trial. That's because its focus on protections for citizens and green-card holders implies that non-citizens could be militarily detained. The goal should be to prohibit domestic use of the military entirely. That's the protection provided to everyone in the United States by the Posse Comitatus Act. That principle would be broken if the military can find an opening to operate against civilians here at home, maybe under the guise of going after non-citizens. This is truly an instance where, when some lose their rights, all lose rights -- even those who look like they are being protected.
    It is inconsistent with the Constitution, which makes clear that basic due process rights apply to everyone in the United States. No group of immigrants should be denied the most basic due process right of all -- the right to be charged and tried before being imprisoned.
    It would set some dangerous precedents for Congress: that the military may have a role in America itself, that indefinite detention without charge or trial can be contemplated in the United States, and that some immigrants can be easily carved out of the most basic due process protections.

    The executive director of the Japanese American Citizens League just wrote to Congress:

    The [Feinstein] amendment is of particular concern to the Japanese American Citizens League because of our historic concern stemming from the Japanese American incarceration experience during World War II. Nearly half of the internees were not United States citizens, and would not have been protected by this amendment. In consideration of due process and the rule of law within the United States, we urge you to oppose the Feinstein amendment, unless revised to protect all persons in the United States from indefinite detention without charge or trial.
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    Originally Posted by amtharin View Post
    It does not supersede the Constitution. This is a fake issue.
    yet our gov has all ready stepped on our Constitutional rights, and still does illegal things on the regular.
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    Originally Posted by Simple-jack View Post
    yet our gov has all ready stepped on our Constitutional rights, and still does illegal things on the regular.
    Were you trying to make some kind of broad, meaningless, irrelevant point? If so, congrats.
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    gotta say i'm surprised
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    Originally Posted by hayekforever View Post
    wat
    He was an NDAA co-sponsor IIRC
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    "How about no NDAA at all. That’s my bottom line. The terrorist supporters in congress who let the terrorists who did 9/11 run the place have no business abridging our rights. Rand Paul and his Dad should come out and call 9/11 what it was. State sponsored Israeli and domestic terrorism."

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    We can thank Rand Paul for spearheading the effort to amend this retarded bill. He has been against the NDAA since it was first drafted.
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