I agree 9/11 created some unity -- was just curious about how one measures an "overall feeling/vibe".
Pretty much this. Obviously I wasn't alive during the war -- I was born 5 years after it ended. But I did have to study it in school. Forgive me for resorting to Wikipedia as a refresher.
Regarding the unity it created: took a while, but we got there. One interesting fact about that war: it was 20 years long and resulted in (so far) ~ten times more American deaths than the War on Terror (Iraq and Afghanistan combined).
My observation, FWIW...People today don't often recognize just how huge the anti-war movement was. I don't know how to include the Hippie movement in that other than to say it at least showed that people of all ages and walks of life were were actively against the war.
None of this amounts to a real "measurement" such that I could debate the point, just interesting facts. Another one: by far the deadliest war in US history was the civil war, during which 1 in 50 US citizens died (including North and South).
Compare that to today, and look at your FB friends list. If you have 400 friends, odds are at least 8 of them would be dead after the war. (but probably more, considering the FB demographic is probably younger and thus more likely to be soldiers)
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01-02-2013, 10:34 PM #5101
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01-02-2013, 10:54 PM #5102
I guess when I think of unity in the sense of what we saw after 9/11, I was thinking in terms of the level at which the govt. and the public are on the same page. I believe you have to go back to Pearl Harbor to find that.
Comparing immediate post-9/11 to an entire decade with much turmoil doesn't jive, IMO.Here Lies the Rant
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01-02-2013, 11:03 PM #5103
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01-02-2013, 11:14 PM #5105
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01-03-2013, 12:11 AM #5109
A year after 9/11, the amount of people who thought the govt. had gone "too far" regarding restricting civil liberties to stop terrorism had only reached 15%.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/5263/civil-liberties.aspx
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01-03-2013, 12:26 AM #5110
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So the immediate reaction was to do something, anything, to stop terrorism. This is obviously a kind of unity, though the choice was (in retrospect) a knee-jerk reaction.
Looking at the numbers, it started off looking good. But by 2006 almost half of the people polled thought it was "too far".
If anything this highlights a potential downside to this type of unity, this knee-jerk response that is akin to what a lot of people have said recently after the shootings.
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01-03-2013, 01:24 AM #5113
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I didn't say the 2000s. I said when the towers came down.
When the towers came down, every warm-blooded American seemed to have the same goal, vision, ideals, etc. More so than any other time since, as Lenco cited, say the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Bush came out, everyone loved him, wanted to see us lead the charge into the desert. Everyone answered the call, stepped up and enlisted, did what they could. It was the start of the American fight in WWII all over again.-
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01-03-2013, 01:33 AM #5114
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01-03-2013, 01:34 AM #5115
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I know, but ... someone went there. (looks at Lencho)
Definitely. It happened right here on our home turf. Just like Pearl Harbor. I totally think it's a valid point re: creating a lot of unity.
I was just curious about how you felt the unity was measured. My point about the 60s is really not about the start of the war (which was 1955), but the peak of our involvement in 1968 and how we all came together to put a stop to the insane amount of deaths.All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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01-03-2013, 01:38 AM #5116
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I don't feel that the anti-war movement was a whole lot of unity. Considering soldiers were being ostracized. Not to mention in the rest of the 60s there was lots and lots of racial tension.
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01-03-2013, 01:41 AM #5117
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The anti-war movement was unity, for sure. Soldiers were being ostracized when they were outspoken in support of the war, as it transitioned into an obviously Bad Thing. For sure, at first there was a ton of disagreement and strife.
The racial tension....... not really related -- that's relative imho.All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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01-03-2013, 01:47 AM #5119
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No, I'm not saying it was. I'm saying that there was a transition period when things were really awkward because a lot of people didn't want the war, but the soldiers knew they needed to support their fellow soldiers, and that led to the friction.
That was before it all culminated, before the unity I am talking about.All Hail the Ultimate Master, "I Know More Than The Generals Do", Donald Camacho Dr. Pepper X-Ray AR-15 Trump
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01-03-2013, 02:07 AM #5120
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In other news: I just watched the roast of Charlie Sheen from 2011 and William Shatner is 80 in it.
He looks like... 60?
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01-03-2013, 04:10 AM #5122
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Well learned some things....Trollando is either the best troll or the biggest idiot in this thread.
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