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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    Well you see, I used census data for all regions in the US, from national level to municipal.


    It wasn't a senior thesis i wrote. It was a simple essay. THe overall feeling/vibe of America is what i based it on. People had this proud to be an american, let's enlist and fight for our country, let's look out for each other outlook. As opposed to the "let's spit in the faces of all of the returning veterans" outlook from a few decades prior.

    + I bet without the towers falling, there wouldn't be any sort of story about Pat Tillman, as I'm sure he would've been just as content to pass up a chance to enter the service and just take the NFL contract.
    I agree 9/11 created some unity -- was just curious about how one measures an "overall feeling/vibe".

    Originally Posted by Tyrbolift View Post
    America became increasingly united against the Viet Nam war, with the new "hippie generation" cultural movement having a broad impact on people from all walks of life. In fact, ending the war was a part of both McGovern and Nixon's platforms, as well as Mcarthy's.
    Pretty much this. Obviously I wasn't alive during the war -- I was born 5 years after it ended. But I did have to study it in school. Forgive me for resorting to Wikipedia as a refresher.

    Regarding the unity it created: took a while, but we got there. One interesting fact about that war: it was 20 years long and resulted in (so far) ~ten times more American deaths than the War on Terror (Iraq and Afghanistan combined).

    My observation, FWIW...People today don't often recognize just how huge the anti-war movement was. I don't know how to include the Hippie movement in that other than to say it at least showed that people of all ages and walks of life were were actively against the war.

    None of this amounts to a real "measurement" such that I could debate the point, just interesting facts. Another one: by far the deadliest war in US history was the civil war, during which 1 in 50 US citizens died (including North and South).

    Compare that to today, and look at your FB friends list. If you have 400 friends, odds are at least 8 of them would be dead after the war. (but probably more, considering the FB demographic is probably younger and thus more likely to be soldiers)
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    I guess when I think of unity in the sense of what we saw after 9/11, I was thinking in terms of the level at which the govt. and the public are on the same page. I believe you have to go back to Pearl Harbor to find that.

    Comparing immediate post-9/11 to an entire decade with much turmoil doesn't jive, IMO.
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    Originally Posted by Lencho View Post
    I guess when I think of unity in the sense of what we saw after 9/11, I was thinking in terms of the level at which the govt. and the public are on the same page
    Not sure I follow this.

    Consider:
    Patriot Act
    Transportation and Security Administration
    Department of Homeland Security

    Where I live, most people I know would say all three of those are bad results of 9/11. Examples of a government going way overboard.
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    Originally Posted by Final_Rep View Post
    Not sure I follow this.

    Consider:
    Patriot Act
    Transportation and Security Administration
    Department of Homeland Security

    Where I live, most people I know would say all three of those are bad results of 9/11. Examples of a government going way overboard.
    Immediate post-9/11.

    Chazzy wrote an essay about a "vibe", not a data-based research paper with empirical evidence.

    JFK shot
    MLK shot
    Watts riots
    Chicago Seven
    RFK shot

    I could go on.
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    Originally Posted by Lencho View Post
    Take note of how you never answered my question after I posted it three times.
    Take note on how your silly question was answered, therefore not addressed when you played enter/leave/dnr/whatsthisdiscussionabout/enter/leave/dnr/whatsthisdiscussionabout/enter ask more ?'s, try for more comparisons that don't have potential to put yourself at risk for losing.. ie 'when all is said and done' snooze.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post860805663

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    Originally Posted by Orlando1234977 View Post
    Take note on how your silly question was answered, therefore not addressed when you played enter/leave/dnr/whatsthisdiscussionabout/enter/leave/dnr/whatsthisdiscussionabout/enter ask more ?'s, try for more comparisons that don't have potential to put yourself at risk for losing.. ie 'when all is said and done' snooze.

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post860805663

    But I'll plah
    Lol, 12 hours later.

    As usual, I still have no clue what you are saying.


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    Originally Posted by Orlando1234977 View Post
    have potential to put yourself at risk for losing.. ie 'when all is said and done' snooze.

    + lol @ this, herearetheirseasontotalsIwasright!(leaveouthatoneg uyhasplayedin11fewergames)
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    Originally Posted by Lencho View Post
    Immediate post-9/11.
    Immediate? How about the next month, October, when the Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism (PATRIOT) Act was passed?

    Regardless, you're right... this is pointless to debate. I did learn a few things though!
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    Originally Posted by Final_Rep View Post
    Immediate? How about the next month, October, when the Providing Appropriate Tools Required (to) Intercept (and) Obstruct Terrorism (PATRIOT) Act was passed?

    Regardless, you're right... this is pointless to debate. I did learn a few things though!

    A year after 9/11, the amount of people who thought the govt. had gone "too far" regarding restricting civil liberties to stop terrorism had only reached 15%.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/5263/civil-liberties.aspx

    And yes, it is kinda pointless. But that's what we do!
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    Originally Posted by Lencho View Post
    A year after 9/11, the amount of people who thought the govt. had gone "too far" regarding restricting civil liberties to stop terrorism had only reached 15%.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/5263/civil-liberties.aspx

    And yes, it is kinda pointless. But that's what we do!
    So the immediate reaction was to do something, anything, to stop terrorism. This is obviously a kind of unity, though the choice was (in retrospect) a knee-jerk reaction.

    Looking at the numbers, it started off looking good. But by 2006 almost half of the people polled thought it was "too far".

    If anything this highlights a potential downside to this type of unity, this knee-jerk response that is akin to what a lot of people have said recently after the shootings.

    Interesting!
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    Originally Posted by Lencho View Post
    I guess when I think of unity in the sense of what we saw after 9/11, I was thinking in terms of the level at which the govt. and the public are on the same page. I believe you have to go back to Pearl Harbor to find that.

    Comparing immediate post-9/11 to an entire decade with much turmoil doesn't jive, IMO.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    Lenco, you and me, thinking alike.
    By many accounts the 2000s were an entire decade of turmoil...
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    I didn't say the 2000s. I said when the towers came down.

    When the towers came down, every warm-blooded American seemed to have the same goal, vision, ideals, etc. More so than any other time since, as Lenco cited, say the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Bush came out, everyone loved him, wanted to see us lead the charge into the desert. Everyone answered the call, stepped up and enlisted, did what they could. It was the start of the American fight in WWII all over again.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    I didn't say the 2000s. I said when the towers came down.
    I know, but ... someone went there. (looks at Lencho)

    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    When the towers came down, every warm-blooded American seemed to have the same goal, vision, ideals, etc. More so than any other time since, as Lenco cited, say the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Bush came out, everyone loved him, wanted to see us lead the charge into the desert. Everyone answered the call, stepped up and enlisted, did what they could. It was the start of the American fight in WWII all over again.
    Definitely. It happened right here on our home turf. Just like Pearl Harbor. I totally think it's a valid point re: creating a lot of unity.

    I was just curious about how you felt the unity was measured. My point about the 60s is really not about the start of the war (which was 1955), but the peak of our involvement in 1968 and how we all came together to put a stop to the insane amount of deaths.
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    I don't feel that the anti-war movement was a whole lot of unity. Considering soldiers were being ostracized. Not to mention in the rest of the 60s there was lots and lots of racial tension.

    The only unified people were the various cliques in regards to their own movements.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    I don't feel that the anti-war movement was a whole lot of unity. Considering soldiers were being ostracized. Not to mention in the rest of the 60s there was lots and lots of racial tension.

    The only unified people were the various cliques in regards to their own movements.
    The anti-war movement was unity, for sure. Soldiers were being ostracized when they were outspoken in support of the war, as it transitioned into an obviously Bad Thing. For sure, at first there was a ton of disagreement and strife.

    The racial tension....... not really related -- that's relative imho.
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    Originally Posted by Final_Rep View Post
    The anti-war movement was unity, for sure. Soldiers were being ostracized when they were outspoken in support of the war, as it transitioned into an obviously Bad Thing. For sure, at first there was a ton of disagreement and strife.

    The racial tension....... not really related -- that's relative imho.
    Perhaps I'm biased due to me being a veteran, but I won't ever regard ostracizing and abusing veterans as unity.
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    Perhaps I'm biased due to me being a veteran, but I won't ever regard ostracizing and abusing veterans as unity.
    No, I'm not saying it was. I'm saying that there was a transition period when things were really awkward because a lot of people didn't want the war, but the soldiers knew they needed to support their fellow soldiers, and that led to the friction.

    That was before it all culminated, before the unity I am talking about.
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    In other news: I just watched the roast of Charlie Sheen from 2011 and William Shatner is 80 in it.

    He looks like... 60?

    WTF
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    Originally Posted by Final_Rep View Post
    roast of Charlie Sheen from 2011 and William Shatner is 80 in it.

    He looks like... 60?
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    Originally Posted by Orlando1234977 View Post
    Season to date;

    Rebounds: J. Noah 300, A. Davis 158
    Blocks: J. Noah 61, A. Davis 37
    Assists: J. Noah 127, A. Davis 12
    Steals: J. Noah 41, A. Davis 19
    Davis is much more talented and will have a far better career.

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    Originally Posted by Lencho View Post
    Srs?


    1. You posted totals. Davis has played in 11 fewer games. Disingenuous comparison is disingenuous.

    2. Compare Noah's first year with Davis and then get back to me.

    3. ???

    4. WhyTF do I even bother?
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    Originally Posted by chazzy1864 View Post
    Ohp, my bad. Last 3-4 decades.


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    Originally Posted by Final_Rep View Post
    In other news: I just watched the roast of Charlie Sheen from 2011 and William Shatner is 80 in it.

    He looks like... 60?

    WTF
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    I just enlisted because I figured a degree in graphic design wouldn't get me very far and I just wanted money in the bank.

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    You mean re-enlisted, right?
    No.
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