What does Testofen do?

[rhadam]

Nice. I think I remember Bane talking about Fenugreek/lactation/and reduced sperm count too.

I remember that as well.

[Braco1]

Fenugreek is a tricky one - hard to draw conclusions from different studies without having detailed information about the extraction process and standardization of the material: i.e. saponins by UV vs. dioscin vs. furostanol vs. 4-HI - all of which can impart different physiological benefits.

Regarding the Third Party tests, obviously Indus is doing pretty well with their products and IP on fenugreek, so nobody else is willing to invest the money after being second or third to market and trying to capture market share at the risk of a failed study.

Overall - I've taken Fenugreek containing products and had great benefits, from strength to sleep. Obviously some bloodwork on free T levels would be great to fortify why I feel those things, but haven't gone and done that.

[zemzin]

I am on my second day of Testopro,and I`m feeling the horny kicking in,hopefully will stay that way.

I`ll go get a total T test after a week or two.

[Gym God]

I am on my second day of Testopro,and I`m feeling the horny kicking in,hopefully will stay that way.

Now that is placebo. Even if you were using my own product - STATUS, I would still say the same thing. AAS don't even act that fast.... just saying.

Are you taking this product for the purpose of helping with your test levels or for the purpose of sexual desire?

[aspirex]

i bought the musclepharm zma recently and theres testofen in it. Does it really raise estrogen? if so i will stop taking it.

[rhadam]

i bought the musclepharm zma recently and theres testofen in it. Does it really raise estrogen? if so i will stop taking it.

Any increase in testosterone will increase estrogen. By exactly how much is complicated and independent to the user.

That being said: you're fine. Estrogen isn't bad for us, we need it. Having too much is not the best idea, but no natural testosterone booster will raise estrogen to those types of levels.

[HilaryClinton]

Any increase in testosterone will increase estrogen. By exactly how much is complicated and independent to the user.

That being said: you're fine. Estrogen isn't bad for us, we need it. Having too much is not the best idea, but no natural testosterone booster will raise estrogen to those types of levels.

And yet, the herb is clinically used for that purpose abroad.

[aspirex]

Any increase in testosterone will increase estrogen. By exactly how much is complicated and independent to the user.

That being said: you're fine. Estrogen isn't bad for us, we need it. Having too much is not the best idea, but no natural testosterone booster will raise estrogen to those types of levels.

alright, but i will get ON zma next time, its out of stock at this time for me locally.

[rhadam]

And yet, the herb is clinically used for that purpose abroad.

Is it my favorite herb for testosterone boosting? No, it's at the bottom of my list. I won't argue your point, but i stand by mine.

[Gym God]

Any increase in testosterone will increase estrogen. By exactly how much is complicated and independent to the user.

That being said: you're fine. Estrogen isn't bad for us, we need it. Having too much is not the best idea, but no natural testosterone booster will raise estrogen to those types of levels.

Can't have a better answer than that! ^^^^

[SoloX5]

It's just Fenugreek: http://examine.com/supplements/Fenugreek/ - it had one study showing potential T increase, but has not been replicated.

[Gym God]

It's just Fenugreek: http://examine.com/supplements/Fenugreek/ - it had one study showing potential T increase, but has not been replicated.

There are a number of phyto-constituents found in fenugreek and not once in that link did they discuss fenuside extract, the compound that is in question to have an impact on test levels. Fenugreek as its entirety I have not seen or read any impact that it may have on test levels nor will have impact on glucose metabolism. Unless of course the compound 4-hydroxyisoleucine has been isolated. As a whole, I believe the only impact as an herb it will have is on the loosening of phlegm and to induce lactation for breast feeding mothers.

[live35]

FREE testosterone has nothing to do with LH.

And there are lots of herbs that do boost free testosterone successfully ,by lowering SHBG.


Does testofen boost TOTAL testosterone?

We heard the "boosts LH so thereby boosts total T" story with tribulus so many times and it turned out to be a hoax.

LH affects free testosterone! An Endocrinologist will confirm this.
If you see a Endocrinologist for low free testosterone you will do LABS for (FSH), (LH) levels, (high Prolactin), total testosterone and other tests will be administered.

These supplements may help: Tribulus Terrestris, Bryonia Laciniosa, DAA or D-Aspartic Acid and Vitex. First three can increase LH and FSH but their effect on GnRH is not yet clearly defined. Mucuna pruriens can also help since it contains L-DOPA which is converted into dopamine. Prolactin reduces GnRH but dopamine inhibits prolactin which raises GnRH.

[live35]

DIM is a T booster. Since DIM promotes a more active metabolism of estrogen, unmetabolized estrogen levels fall and the 2-hydroxy-estrogens increase. The 2-hydroxy-estrogens possess the unique ability to displace testosterone from SHGB and set it free. Therefore, the combined effect of DIM to reduce unmetabolized estrogen and increase 2-hydroxy-estrogens can reduce elevations in SHGB and allow for more free testosterone.

DIM Avoids overactive testosterone metabolism, [clearing the testosterone too quickly] and reducing the conversion of testosterone into estrogen.

[jiggamanbill]

Can anyone elaborate?

I hate these conflicting reports!

According to some,it boosts test.

According to others,it mimicks testosterone in the body.

According to some other a-holes,it boosts estrogen????

Dafuk?

Take a look at our write up on Testo Pro for more information on Testofen. Our Testo Pro is also buy 2 get 1 Free this month

[vkg1]

I noticed there is skepticism regarding Testofen due to studies not showing increased T. But I thought it was supposed to increase Free T rather than T. I thought it works by reducing SHGB.

Am I wrong? Are there any studies that included measures of SHGB and/or Free T. It seem rather useless to measure Total T rather than Free T.

[morganmkm]

Yeah, the study was done on rabbits however, the findings are interesting nonetheless.


Contraception. 2006 Mar;73(3):301-6. Epub 2005 Nov 2.
Kassem A, Al-Aghbari A, AL-Habori M, Al-Mamary M.
Evaluation of the potential antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in male and female rabbits.

OBJECTIVE: The objective of this study was to evaluate the potential antifertility activity of feeding diets containing 30% fenugreek seeds to male and female white New Zealand rabbits. RESULTS: The data presented in this study clearly demonstrate an antifertility effect of fenugreek seeds in the female rabbits and more of a toxicity effect in the male rabbits. In males, testis weight was reduced, with evident damage to the seminiferous tubules and interstitial tissues as shown by the histopathology of testis tissue sections. In addition, the plasma concentration of the androgen hormone and sperm concentrations were halved in the treated animals. In the case of the females, there was evidence of a significant reduction of developing fetuses as observed by reductions of both fetal and placental weights at 20 days of gestation and of the litter size. This was further supported histopathologically by the observed proliferative changes of the endometrial glands. The circulating plasma progesterone concentrations at 10 and 20 days of gestation significantly increased with no significant effect on the prebreeding estrogen concentrations in the treated animals.

This said that fenugeek seeds were 30% of their diet...I feel like the servings of testofen wont equate to that large of a percentage of diet, but thats just my opinion

[TheFugitive]

The only thing I notice is an upset stomach

[kennyg225]

I have used test 600 by PMD which contains 600mg of testefin for 4 months and I have seen results in physique, strength and T levels.
My levels went from 248 to 315 and my free levels went from 4 to 7.8.
I went from needing replacement treatment to not needing it.

I have now ordered all the ingredients in test 600 in separate supplement form to cut cost from 76 a month down to 40 a month.

I highly recommend testefin to anyone with lowT, its worth a try; replacement therapy seriously sucks.

[Gym God]

This said that fenugeek seeds were 30% of their diet...I feel like the servings of testofen wont equate to that large of a percentage of diet, but thats just my opinion

Your opinion is respected. However, this was the feeding of the fenugreek seed, not the isolation of fenuside extract from what the Testofen claims are based upon.

[youngoldguy]

Testofen doesn't do much for total testosterone. Testofen increases free testosterone which is what your body uses (2% of your total test)
It will help men with a high shbg level. Please do some reading. To many people and not enough knowledge