No BS Pre-Workout

[1201PM]

Hey everyone, I'm looking for a new pre-workout. After looking through countless profiles of various products, I'm just kind of getting fed up with all this "Proprietary Blend" bullsh*t.

When a company does this:

"SUPER EXTREME OMEGA PUMP ENERGY BLEND - 7.9G**"
Beta-alanine, Caffeine, Citrulline-Mallate, Creatine Monohydrate

How am I supposed to know how much of each of these ingredients are in the product?
Is it 1 gram of monohydrate or 5? Do I still need to take some? What about Caffeine? Is it 50mg or 500mg? I dont want over 200ish...What about Beta-alanine, is it a real dose? 3.2G or 500mg?

Do you know what I'm saying?
Anyone wanna recommend a pre work out, that actually lists what's in it?
That includes:
-Either no creatine, or 3-5G of CreaPure mono
-1.6-3.2g of beta-alanine
-100-200mg of caffeine?
-Anything else such as CitMal, BCAAs, whatever else is a bonus

Supplement company reps, I'm dying to throw money at your company. Please, someone suggest something that is actually clinically dosed, and shows the amounts on the label!

Thanks for any recommendations, also, feel free to share any frustrations you have. Am I alone in this?

Cheers

[poison]

Hey everyone, I'm looking for a new pre-workout. After looking through countless profiles of various products, I'm just kind of getting fed up with all this "Proprietary Blend" bullsh*t.

When a company does this:

"SUPER EXTREME OMEGA PUMP ENERGY BLEND - 7.9G**"
Beta-alanine, Caffeine, Citrulline-Mallate, Creatine Monohydrate

How am I supposed to know how much of each of these ingredients are in the product?
Is it 1 gram of monohydrate or 5? Do I still need to take some? What about Caffeine? Is it 50mg or 500mg? I dont want over 200ish...What about Beta-alanine, is it a real dose? 3.2G or 500mg?

Do you know what I'm saying?
Anyone wanna recommend a pre work out, that actually lists what's in it?
That includes:
-Either no creatine, or 3-5G of CreaPure mono
-1.6-3.2g of beta-alanine
-100-200mg of caffeine?
-Anything else such as CitMal, BCAAs, whatever else is a bonus

Supplement company reps, I'm dying to throw money at your company. Please, someone suggest something that is actually clinically dosed, and shows the amounts on the label!

Thanks for any recommendations, also, feel free to share any frustrations you have. Am I alone in this?

Cheers

We'd love to take your money! How does this look?





It's semi-proprietary, but the important parts are disclosed. It has 200-250mg caffeine, but it's modulated by the l-theanine. It has an 18gr serving size, so you can be sure whatever is NOT disclosed has plenty of room for good dosing, especially given the virtually non-existant levels of fillers.

[jief]

dr.jekyll by prosupps

Endurance Complex 3000mg *
Beta Alanine 2000mg
Histidine 1000mg
Amino Matrix 700mg *
L-Leucine 500mg
B-Hydroxy B-Methylbutyrate 200mg
Strength Matrix 1000mg *
Creatine Hydrochloride 1000mg
Energy & Focus Matrix 150mg *
Pikatropin� (Pikamilon) 50mg
Caffeine Anhydrous 100mg
Pump Matrix 3850mg *
Agmatine Sulfate 750mg
Glycerol Monostearate 1500mg
Citrulline Malate 1500mg
Norvaline 100mg

[rosshmusic]

I gotta say that Scream by BB.com looks pretty good and lists the ingredient volumes... a little higher then you wanted on caffeine though.

Search the store here for "Scream"...

Edit:
20 Servings Watermelon
Serving Size:1Scoop(26.1g)
Servings Per Container:20
Amount Per Serving % Daily Value*
Calories 15
Total Carbohydrates 4g 1%
Sugars 0g †
Vitamin B6 (As Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 15mg 750%
Vitamin B12 (As Methylcobalamin) 125mcg 2083%
Calcium (As Calcium Citrate) 65mg 7%
Magnesium (As Magnesium Citrate) 40mg 10%
Sodium (As Sodium Chloride) 230mg 10%
Potassium (As Potassium Citrate) 55mg 2%
Psychoactive Cognitive Activator
Taurine 1.5g †
L-Tyrosine 1.5g †
Caffeine Anhydrous 300mg †
Glucuronolactone 500mg †

Rage Initiating Strength & Performance Igniter
Creapure� (Creatine Monohydrate) 3g †
Beta-Alanine (CarnoSyn�) 1.6g †

Anabolic Recovery Amplification Matrix
L-Leucine 4g †
L-Isoleucine 2g †
L-Valine 2g †

Insane Pump And Vascularity Initiator
L-Citrulline 3g †

Peak Performance Recovery And Hydration Blend
L-Alanyl L-Glutamine (Sustamine™) 500mg †
Carnitine As L-Carnitine L-Tartate (Carnipure™) 1g †

[soopamyko]

dr.jekyll by prosupps

Endurance Complex 3000mg *
Beta Alanine 2000mg
Histidine 1000mg
Amino Matrix 700mg *
L-Leucine 500mg
B-Hydroxy B-Methylbutyrate 200mg
Strength Matrix 1000mg *
Creatine Hydrochloride 1000mg
Energy & Focus Matrix 150mg *
Pikatropin™ (Pikamilon) 50mg
Caffeine Anhydrous 100mg
Pump Matrix 3850mg *
Agmatine Sulfate 750mg
Glycerol Monostearate 1500mg
Citrulline Malate 1500mg
Norvaline 100mg

this :P

[lvsteven]

I have logged purple wraath and white flood by Controlled labs as well as muscle prime by all max nutrition.

They are all decent and have quality ingredients. White flood is likely my choice, however I haven't had the chance to use it in some time as supplements aren't cheap and money is not unlimited.

I actually like ephedra/caffeine mixed with some glucose before a session, works well and is cheap.

[Anthony21]

When it comes to a preworkout you really have a lot of options to pick from. It all depends if your a low stim or high stim guy. Do you like pumps? Increased endurance or a laser like focus?

Check out these recommendations

Animal Rage
Craze
Mr. Hyde
Dr. Jekyll
Super Pump Max
Fierce Domination
White Flood
Shock Therapy
RPM
Nano Vapor
Maximize Intense
Presurge Unleashed
Friction
Novem

There are a lot more that i'm sure i'm missing but you get the point lol. Check some of those out in the product review section and just go with what you're looking for.

[poison]

this :P

I'll put fierce domination up against that any day.

[Zachattack43]

Hey everyone, I'm looking for a new pre-workout. After looking through countless profiles of various products, I'm just kind of getting fed up with all this "Proprietary Blend" bullsh*t.

When a company does this:

"SUPER EXTREME OMEGA PUMP ENERGY BLEND - 7.9G**"
Beta-alanine, Caffeine, Citrulline-Mallate, Creatine Monohydrate

How am I supposed to know how much of each of these ingredients are in the product?
Is it 1 gram of monohydrate or 5? Do I still need to take some? What about Caffeine? Is it 50mg or 500mg? I dont want over 200ish...What about Beta-alanine, is it a real dose? 3.2G or 500mg?

Do you know what I'm saying?
Anyone wanna recommend a pre work out, that actually lists what's in it?
That includes:
-Either no creatine, or 3-5G of CreaPure mono
-1.6-3.2g of beta-alanine
-100-200mg of caffeine?
-Anything else such as CitMal, BCAAs, whatever else is a bonus

Supplement company reps, I'm dying to throw money at your company. Please, someone suggest something that is actually clinically dosed, and shows the amounts on the label!

Thanks for any recommendations, also, feel free to share any frustrations you have. Am I alone in this?

Cheers

I just want to say that prop blend ingredients have to be listed in order from Greatest to least.

Also, food companies use prop blends. Where is the anger there?

[Big.Jazayrli]

I just want to say that prop blend ingredients have to be listed in order from Greatest to least.

Also, food companies use prop blends. Where is the anger there?

^^ I've always wondered this. Prop blends really aren't evil like people make them out to be.

A bit of knowledge and a feel for certain ingredients can help you to (within a reasonable degree of accuracy) figure out how much of everything there is

check out ErgoPump NMT

We do have a prop blend, but the caffeine content is pretty clearly listed on the label

[VPX_Sports]

Friction - per serving
5g Creatine Mono
3.25g Beta Alanine
400mg of caffeine

If you don't want that many stims you can half-scoop it and still get efficacious doses of the ingredients you mentioned

[SoftballNerd]

this :P

I'll put fierce domination up against that any day.

[naturalguy]

I can understand why someone would want a product without a prop blend, that being said they are apart of the industry and used in mainstream food as well.


In my experience some of the most effective products I've used have been prop blend and some of the least effective have been non-prop blends.

[redbirdfan1]

SAN Fierce Domination

between this and Craze...as always.

SP Max is good and there are some other good things out there but if you want to know what you're getting I have a hard time finding something better than SFD

[1201PM]

Please don't mistake my dislike of proprietary blends as anger. I simply would like to know what's being put into my body. I am simply asking if anyone knew of any products that fit what I'm looking for. I don't think I should have to accept proprietary blends just because, "it's a part of the industry". I am also not stating that these products are ineffective. I understand the need to defend your products, and thank you for the input. I had no idea about the ingredients having to be listed as highest quantity to least, very helpful.

Scream looks absolutely perfect as far as profile and I don't see anything that comes close. It's slightly expensive, but, I'm going to support it due to its use of high quality ingredients (CreaPure and Carnosyn) at clinical dosages and a fully disclosed label.

Thanks

[naturalguy]

Please don't mistake my dislike of proprietary blends as anger. I simply would like to know what's being put into my body. I am simply asking if anyone knew of any products that fit what I'm looking for. I don't think I should have to accept proprietary blends just because, "it's a part of the industry". I am also not stating that these products are ineffective. I understand the need to defend your products, and thank you for the input. I had no idea about the ingredients having to be listed as highest quantity to least, very helpful.

I hear ya, the best thing is that as a consumer you have many choices. You can choose a non-prop blend product, you can also buy individual ingredients and blend your own. Do what you are comfortable with.

[Raigs]

Volatile By Fahrenheit Nutrition

I Know this is a prop blend but it has 9 grams of actives out of a 9.3g scoop and works amazing. No need to add anything else I can promise you.

297 Grams Berry Eruption
Serving Size9.3G Per Scoop
Servings Per Bottle32
Amt Per Serving % DV
Vitamin B3 (Niacin) 20mg
Sodium 27mg
Proprietary Blend 9g **
Taurine, Beta Alanine (As CarnoSyn�), DiCreatine Malate, Magnesium Creatine Chelate (Creatine MagnaPower�), Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate, Citrulline Malate, Vitamin B3 (Niacin), Osmo-Load� (Glucose Polymers), Agmatine Sulfate, Caffeine, Green Coffee Bean Extract (50% Cholinergic Acid), Vinitrox� (Vitis Vinifera, Malus Pumila), Diindolylmethane

[vladpower]

Check out Allmax nutrition muscle prime and bb.com came out with their premium line that has a pretty good preworkout in there.

[k9pit]

I buy various individual ingredients and mix and match them.

Prolab Caffeine pills -$6
NOW Beta Alanine - $10
Primaforce Citrulline Malate - $16
L-Tyrosine capsules - $10
NOW 1g Taurine capsules - $8
low cal Gatorade or flavored BCAAs

2g Beta Alanine, 6g Cit Malate, crush the 200mg caffeine pill, and dump the L-Tyrosine and Taurine contents into the gatorade (or water with flavored BCAAs).

Toss back 1 Bronkaid pill for additional fun.

Simple, effective, runs about $55-70 (depending if you get the BCAAs) altogether but lasts about 4 months at a time.