For those that claim bodybuilding is healthy?

[mslman71]

Lol on spread.

Got him! Funny.


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OP - go do your own homework.

[thepainter5]

Nice argument there. I just don't understand how people can say that this sport is healthy. I don't doubt that the average "bodybuilder" that doesn't use enhanced drugs lives longer than the average obese joe in America, but I also doubt many of these people live to their 90s and above which is one of my personal goals.

Kid, google Jack LaLanne.

[highiso]

Lol on spread.

^ditto!

[fit4life1991]

Haha thanks for the replies you guys. This was a pretty funny topic that I got a good laugh out of, and I realized what I said is baseless.

About the eating dirty thing. During a typical day (so 4 out of 7 days in a week), I eat 0 junk food, but when I'm struggling I eat some chips as a backup. Lol and I weigh 148 now with a waist 1 inch smaller for those calling me out. :P

Btw, kind of OT, but I do appreciate this site a lot. This site is what got me to do squats, and as much as I used to hate them, they are one of my top 3 favorite exercises now.

[JOHN GARGANI]

If you honestly have trouble eating 1500 calories a day you should run not walk to an eating disorder recovery center. You weigh more then I do and my breakfast can be close to 1000 calories. But you're 21????????????? What kind of screwed up body do you have that 1500 isn't a snack at your age?

My guess is you've been spending too much time in the anorexia acceptance websites.

I agree, and he IS now in red.....

this is more than just an opinion thing: this guy is in the WRONG SECTION, and he is blowing smoke up people's arses....

he has obvious issues, from his post....and since when is someone paranoid about dying when they are 21 years old
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[cthulhupun]

"Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general." - Mark Rippetoe

[azstrengthcoach]

Please explain that to me. It is actually one of the top reasons why I do not want to continue lifting for extended periods of time, because I don't want to die young because of my health habits at a younger age. I eat extremely clean, but a high calorie, high protein diet is not even remotely good for your health.

I can understand how it is healthy for some people, if the alternative is being overweight or obese, but for someone like myself that I can 100% GUARENTEE will never be overweight for a second of my life (I struggle to eat over 1.5k calories a day, although I still force over 3k into my mouth), larger calorie consumption is very taxing on all of your organs, and particular the liver from the protein consumption. I know that the key to longevity is a low calorie intake (with moderate weight training and cardio), but I also don't particularly care to look like bones like I have my whole life so I force food down my throat.

I just really want to hear from the people that "claim" bodybuilding is healthy though, because I really really don't understand that argument, regardless of how clean your diet is.


Edit: The only reason why I made this topic is because I believe that this website is misleading people into believing that the bodybuilding lifestyle is a healthy lifestyle. I believe the complete contrary. Bodybuilding will sculpt your body and make you "look" healthy, but a 1.5k diet with adequate fiber, protein (like 0.5x BW), vitamins, minerals, antioxidants and moderate cardio and weight training is a significantly healthier alternative. If this lifestyle made you look good, I would switch to this in a heartbeat, but I am narcissistic so I will continue this sport instead.

Exactly how is it taxing on the liver and why is eating a 3kcal high protein diet bad for you? I'm an exercise physiologist and I've never seen evidence to support your claim

[glmoore0001]

5'9"
145 lbs.
21 years young


I can curl you.
for reps
in the squat rack
without chalk

That was the best comment yet!

[DeanoBobino1986]

If I only ate 1500 cals a day, I'd weigh 160 pounds in about 2-3 months and look like Christian Bale in The Machinist. Been there, done that, never again. Was on dat dere depression time hardcore and lost 10 pounds pretty quick. Looking back at pictures of myself and that weight and I was incredibly unhealthy. 1500 calories, for me, is about 800 under maintenance before I was lifting. I'm talking sitting on my ass doing nothing but surfing the web 8 hours a day, and I'm still under mxt by 800 cals.

But, to be fair, I'm not into "bodybuilding" as I believe you are talking about. I'm not going for the 3% bf look with every muscle group separated and full striations. I'm doing it for the fitness and health aspect while looking good and having muscle.

[blownsi]

I think you are confusing the sport of bodybuilding with the "bodybuilders" you see in magazines and on TV.

I have never seen anything proving that hard work (whether in the gym or not) on a regular basis does anything to shorten lifespan. If that were true, the Amish would be dropping like flies lol.

That said, many of the things "bodybuilders" do can be quite unhealthy. It's your body and your life, do what makes you happy.

[Brad805]

Don't.

Feed.

The.

Trolls.

Thnx.

Let us re-visit the words of wisdom for thread. Its time for thread to die!

[DerAlta]

5'9"
145 lbs.
5'-9"
21 years young

'Nuff Said.

Close thread.

[thnikkaman]

My claim is that bodybuilding is unhealthy. After spending 2 minutes googling the protein consumption thing though, it seems that as long as you don't have any problems with your liver that you are fine. I know that a high caloric diet will age your body quicker than a low caloric diet though. It's one of the top reasons why these world class endurance athletes don't live as long as the average Joe.

Haha I'm just super paranoid, because I want to live to the day when they come up with a drug that causes reverse aging of the organs. If that year is 2090, I want to make sure I'm alive at that point in time.

Maybe you need to take some time getting in touch with yourself and your beliefs. Fear of death is unhealthy.

[acrawlingchaos]

'Nuff Said.
Close thread.

Let us re-visit the words of wisdom for thread. Its time for thread to die!

Sorry... but sometimes I just can't help myself.

I know that the key to longevity is a low calorie intake (with moderate weight training and cardio), but I also don't particularly care to look like bones like I have my whole life so I force food down my throat.

I have never seen anything proving that hard work (whether in the gym or not) on a regular basis does anything to shorten lifespan. If that were true, the Amish would be dropping like flies lol.

Based on what? I've never seen any scientific evidence to suggest this.


First, you made claims that you now know are incorrect without first spending 2 minutes on Google to see if there was any evidence to back up your nonsense? No offense, but that's pretty ignorant.
You KNOW this, do you? Sure you do, kid. Like you KNEW protein consumption was hurting your liver until you Googled it?

This is your claim, back it up with scientific studies. If you won't do that, then why should we respond.

Actually, the above I do believe. The study known as CALERIE is a study into low intake and longevity. In essence the more you eat, the more you move, the quicker you tear apart the body, the more free radicals are produced.... the quicker you die.

If you want to live a LONG life, eat very little and don't move. Though I personally find health in the quality of life, not the quantity.

http://calerie.dcri.duke.edu/

[GuyJin]

OP just be trollin', I a'fears.

If he wants to be a cardio bunny, then hop to it.

But how many people who DON'T weight train live into their nineties? Not many. Perhaps more than those who do train but there are so many factors as to why--not to mention the disparity in group size--it's really not worth explaining. Going to extremes in the bodybuilding world--the stuffing of food down your throat, the drugs in the high amateur and professional ranks (and probably in the lower ranks, too, for those that take them) the extreme dieting necessary to gain extreme definition which is de rigeur these days--yes, it can all take a toll on your system.

However, for most who are NOT interested in competing and who don't resort to extreme measures, then weight training enhances the life you've got. Whether it's forty years or ninety, being stronger than others your age is a plus, looking good is a bigger plus, and being healthy AND strong is the biggest plus of all.

Just my two yen....

[Medtreker]

Maybe OP got some of his "ideas" here...

http://www.diseaseproof.com/archives...-bad-idea.html

NOT saying I agree with OP, but we do tend to be sensitive to possible criticism. Can BBing be bad, sure, but not always. Should it be labled as bad? Well not when it's often utilized to "better" oneself, which I'm sure is the consensus here. Is it always the healthiest form of betterment? No, not always, sometimes though it is. Do bodybuilders, or even wanna-be bodybuilders do things, and intake things, that may lead to negitive side effects now or later in life? Perhaps sometimes. Not always. is there a positive and negitive effect to virtually everything we do in life? Sure, often, BBing is not exclusive to having positive and negitive aspects as do all aspects of life.

But this understanding and wisdom comes from living life, making choices, and living with the consequences.

For me, my diet has improved, my body has improved, my overall look and outlook has improved. I haven't done it perfectly, but it's perfectly clear that I'm doing it better.

[LowCarbDiabetic]

Maybe OP got some of his "ideas" here...

[SARCASM] What's wrong with getting advice from a vegetarian propaganda site? [/SARCASM]

[Medtreker]

[SARCASM] What's wrong with getting advice from a vegetarian propaganda site? [/SARCASM]

HA HA! That was good! Repped.

[Medtreker]

wait....is this a Bodybuilding propaganda site?

My mind's been WASHED!

[Juggertha]

OP is 21.. All I hear is bonk blah bonk blah...

that's sort of how I feel abut 80% of this site's younger posters.

[mslman71]

Maybe OP got some of his "ideas" here...

fuk, I wish I could un-read that garbage. Hell, I'm a vegetarian and I think that site is complete crap.

[Medtreker]

fuk, I wish I could un-read that garbage. Hell, I'm a vegetarian and I think that site is complete crap.

Interesting you say so. I am literally uneducated in regards to vegitarianism, so I value your opinion here.

I would like to know what aspects you think are crap, in regards to being a vegitarian, and what aspects are quality. I could read that site and not pick up on the "garbage." Educate me please!

[zakatak333]

larger calorie consumption is very taxing on all of your organs, and particular the liver from the protein consumption

age: 21


in b4 called out on my age

[LowCarbDiabetic]

Interesting you say so. I am literally uneducated in regards to vegitarianism, so I value your opinion here.

I would like to know what aspects you think are crap, in regards to being a vegitarian, and what aspects are quality. I could read that site and not pick up on the "garbage." Educate me please!

I don't know that there is literal "garbage" there, imho, but there's considerable propaganda.

First, it's the 'blog' and marketing site for author Dr. Joel Fuhrman - what you'll find perusing his site is that all "science" or "research" there, (I use those terms loosely after examining his site) only support his diet and ideas.

Second, Fuhrman is a member of the PCRM - the "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" which isn't so much a physicians group as it is a PETA-propaganda arm. The PCRM was 'founded' by Neal Barnard, who is in a long-term relationship with PETA's current president. He's served on several PETA advisory boards, writes PETA articles, the PCRM is funded by PETA and has shared their offices.

As such, his bias toward a "plant-based" diet is pretty obvious. As any other PETA member, he will always disregard any science that disagrees with his animal-activist agenda.

[flatiron]

The study known as CALERIE is a study into low intake and longevity. In essence the more you eat, the more you move, the quicker you tear apart the body, the more free radicals are produced.... the quicker you die.

If you want to live a LONG life, eat very little and don't move. Though I personally find health in the quality of life, not the quantity.
http://calerie.dcri.duke.edu/

And that's where it's really at. I don't care so much about maximizing my lifespan in absolute terms, as much as I care about maximizing my lifespan while meeting some minimum quality of life threshold.

Would you rather:

A) Have a knee replaced at 65, hip replaced at 70, forced to use a cane and then a walker by 75, unable to go anywhere that had steps and no ramp, have to use one of the electric carts every time you went to the grocery store or mall, panic if you misplaced your medic alert thingy, need someone to assist you with daily living. And live that way for a good 20 years until you kick the bucket at 95.

B) Be active and enjoy life, get around just fine without any aid or help, but die at 88.

[satoups]

I think before making the assumption and giving an opinion on the topic in question.....one needs to identify what BB means to them. I believe some have a different definition of BB than others.

[LowCarbDiabetic]

I think before making the assumption and giving an opinion on the topic in question.....one needs to identify what BB means to them. I believe some have a different definition of BB than others.

That makes a great deal of sense.

Many people think "bodybuilding" and automatically picture Ronnie Coleman, who goes through extremes to get what he has. But compare him to Jack Lalanne who lived until 96 and was into bodybuilding his entire life and we have two completely different "bodybuilders" with two completely different lifestyles and likely lifespans...

[Medtreker]

I don't know that there is literal "garbage" there, imho, but there's considerable propaganda.

First, it's the 'blog' and marketing site for author Dr. Joel Fuhrman - what you'll find perusing his site is that all "science" or "research" there, (I use those terms loosely after examining his site) only support his diet and ideas.

Second, Fuhrman is a member of the PCRM - the "Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine" which isn't so much a physicians group as it is a PETA-propaganda arm. The PCRM was 'founded' by Neal Barnard, who is in a long-term relationship with PETA's current president. He's served on several PETA advisory boards, writes PETA articles, the PCRM is funded by PETA and has shared their offices.

As such, his bias toward a "plant-based" diet is pretty obvious. As any other PETA member, he will always disregard any science that disagrees with his animal-activist agenda.

Interesting. Thanks.

[Medtreker]

That makes a great deal of sense.

Many people think "bodybuilding" and automatically picture Ronnie Coleman, who goes through extremes to get what he has. But compare him to Jack Lalanne who lived until 96 and was into bodybuilding his entire life and we have two completely different "bodybuilders" with two completely different lifestyles and likely lifespans...

LCD has Ronnie dying young !! LOL

[Medtreker]

I think before making the assumption and giving an opinion on the topic in question.....one needs to identify what BB means to them. I believe some have a different definition of BB than others.

Why don't we just use the book...

"The developing of the body through exercise and diet; specifically : the developing of the physique for competitive exhibition "