Obama bails on gay community

[Kraken]

I am not one bit surprised either. Anything to accomplish his dreams of a socialist country and willing to manipulate groups and lie to them in order to achieve it.

On Friday, Obama told an MTV audience that he would not fight for gay marriage his second term, intoning that “it would be up to future generations of Americans to implement meaningful reform.” He thanks you for your vote though!

[brighamw]

He doesn't need them anymore, he can't run again...

[leafs43]

Next you're going to tell me Obama will continue to not care about women either.

[dntfeedtroll]

He is not "bailing". He realizes that if it becomes a federal issue, it will get shot down by the supreme court and the gay rights movement will be set back 20 years. Gay marriage is a state issue and is fluidly moving state-by-state and will become legal soon in all states, except extremely conservative ones.

[tk217]

He is not "bailing". He realizes that if it becomes a federal issue, it will get shot down by the supreme court and the gay rights movement will be set back 20 years. Gay marriage is a state issue and is fluidly moving state-by-state and will become legal soon in all states, except extremely conservative ones.

Interstate commerce clause says you can't have different laws in different states in regard to commerce which includes insurance.

If I'm gay and get married in Massachusetts and move to Texas - it would go against the Supreme Law of the Land to deny my marriage rights in the state of Texas.

[brighamw]

He is not "bailing". He realizes that if it becomes a federal issue, it will get shot down by the supreme court and the gay rights movement will be set back 20 years. Gay marriage is a state issue and is fluidly moving state-by-state and will become legal soon in all states, except extremely conservative ones.

If it's just a cut & dry civil rights issue as many argue, why would the Supreme Court "shoot it down" as you say?

[Kraken]

He is not "bailing". He realizes that if it becomes a federal issue, it will get shot down by the supreme court and the gay rights movement will be set back 20 years. Gay marriage is a state issue and is fluidly moving state-by-state and will become legal soon in all states, except extremely conservative ones.

Tell that to the gays. They all feel that gay marriage is a federal and civil rights issue. I don't think government should be involved at all in marriage, but, let's say it has to be, then I would agree, it should be a state issue.

The problem is, most dems feel that it should be a federal issue, and they continue telling the gay community that it is and they will fight for them, then they get their vote, and it's suddenly off the table again.

[Nolan78]

He is not "bailing". He realizes that if it becomes a federal issue, it will get shot down by the supreme court and the gay rights movement will be set back 20 years. Gay marriage is a state issue and is fluidly moving state-by-state and will become legal soon in all states, except extremely conservative ones.

link... would love to put this on fb to troll liberal friends if true

[nutsy54]

This was actually in October... http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/169...equality.jhtml

But, yeah - Joke's on anyone who believed the guy who lied his way through the 2008 campaign, then flip-flopped on a decision he previously described as fundamental to his religious faith, conveniently just as his final election campaign was ramping up.

[brighamw]

Tell that to the gays. They all feel that gay marriage is a federal and civil rights issue. I don't think government should be involved at all in marriage, but, let's say it has to be, then I would agree, it should be a state issue.

The problem is, most dems feel that it should be a federal issue, and they continue telling the gay community that it is and they will fight for them, then they get their vote, and it's suddenly off the table again.

Interstate commerce clause says you can't have different laws in different states in regard to commerce which includes insurance.

If I'm gay and get married in Massachusetts and move to Texas - it would go against the Supreme Law of the Land to deny my marriage rights in the state of Texas.

tk makes a pretty good argument as to why it is a Federal issue, no?

[DiseasedScrotum]

He is not "bailing". He realizes that if it becomes a federal issue, it will get shot down by the supreme court and the gay rights movement will be set back 20 years. Gay marriage is a state issue and is fluidly moving state-by-state and will become legal soon in all states, except extremely conservative ones.

This. You guys can try to make this an attack all you want but you have no basis. It will just turn into a dirty fight. Obama never said he would go out of his way to fight for gay rights. Even when he came out in support for gay marriage e did not say he will go out of his way to fight for it on a federal level. You guys can pretend that gays were tricked but its pretty clear what Obama was saying.

At the end of the day, most people will vote for the guy who thinks they are worthy of getting a marriage versus the guy who thinks they aren't.

[metroins]

tk makes a pretty good argument as to why it is a Federal issue, no?

He has to pick his battles and right now he can't win the gay one on a federal level. He's already repealed don't ask don't tell and the gay rights issue is progressing by itself. I'd rather see him win on immigration and economic issues when gay marriage will be allowed in most states by 2020 with the way things are going.

He's also much more pro gay rights than Romney would have been.

[IronRooster2]

The problem is, most dems feel that it should be a federal issue, and they continue telling the gay community that it is and they will fight for them, then they get their vote, and it's suddenly off the table again.

Here is a comprehensive list of things Obama can do to support gay marriage:

* If a justice on the supreme court dies or retires, he can put someone sympathetic to gay marriage on the court.

And what is he gonna do when if it comes to that? Put a Scalia up there? Derp.

I'm pretty sure the gays know how the supreme court and civil rights work, and got what they expected.

I'd like to take a moment of silence in honor of Bush Jr. His appointment of Roberts was among the decent things he did with his power - he could have put another completely corrupt monster up there.

[Anders0n74]

Should've aligned themselves with the party of real personal liberty and the true champion of LGBT rights. They have my sympathy that it isn't legal, but they don't have my sympathy for who they put their faith in.

[Zedbimmer]

Seems people get the SOCIAL in socialist. Anyway glad to see you voted for him for his gay views though, hope you didn't mind blacks voting for him because he was black.

Oh and P.S, just what stance does your state have on gay marriage and are your state reps who vote these bills into law for gay marriage?

[Fiyero]

He is not "bailing". He realizes that if it becomes a federal issue, it will get shot down by the supreme court and the gay rights movement will be set back 20 years. Gay marriage is a state issue and is fluidly moving state-by-state and will become legal soon in all states, except extremely conservative ones.

Actually it's a Federal issue and the Supreme Court will force all states to accept it just like they did interracial marriage.

[Fiyero]

Tell that to the gays. They all feel that gay marriage is a federal and civil rights issue. I don't think government should be involved at all in marriage, but, let's say it has to be, then I would agree, it should be a state issue.

The problem is, most dems feel that it should be a federal issue, and they continue telling the gay community that it is and they will fight for them, then they get their vote, and it's suddenly off the table again.

Marriage licenses provide hundreds of federal benefits. Marriage is also a fundamental civil right under Constitutional law. DOMA is also a federal statute. Therefore, it's a federal issue.

[ICrapBig]

Hope and change 2016!

[IDrinkBloodLOL]

Marriage licenses provide hundreds of federal benefits. Marriage is also a fundamental civil right under Constitutional law. DOMA is also a federal statute. Therefore, it's a federal issue.

Gays are free to marry - they just have to marry women.

[flairon]

Should've aligned themselves with the party of real personal liberty and the true champion of LGBT rights. They have my sympathy that it isn't legal, but they don't have my sympathy for who they put their faith in.

yeah? and who might that be

[nutsy54]

yeah? and who might that be

Since he has "Ron Paul Crew" in his signature, apparently he was referring to the Republican Party

[Anders0n74]

yeah? and who might that be

The Libertarian Party.

Since he has "Ron Paul Crew" in his signature, apparently he was referring to the Republican Party

We all know it was for the majority votes attached to the letter next to his name.

[flairon]

Oh..i thought you meant a party that actually had a chance for election.

[U295]

This garbage is fkn misleading. He told this before the election and there was a thread about this before.

Go fk yourself u fail at baiting

[Obnoxious123]

he never said he would push for it you idiot. yeah welcome to socialist america...

please leave

[U295]

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/169...equality.jhtml


Oct 26 2012 9:12 PM EDT 8,526
Will President Obama Legalize Same-Sex Marriage? You Asked!
During 'Ask Obama,' the president says the issue should be left up to the states, and one student responds.

By James Montgomery (@positivnegativ)

On Friday, Barack Obama tackled all sorts of tough questions from young voters during "Ask Obama Live: An MTV Interview With the President," including whether he had a "game-changing idea" to lower the cost of higher education and his stance on stricter gun-control laws.

And the tough questions didn't let up: Obama was asked whether his administration would continue in the tradition of the Civil Rights Act and the Voting Rights Act and work to ensure the rights of same-sex couples. While the president has already repealed "don't ask, don't tell" and spoken out in favor of same-sex marriages, he told MTV News' Sway Calloway that he believes the issue is best left to the states and the courts to decide.

[woofermazing]

They guy who asked the question ripped into Obama hard in response. Basically called him a fraud.

[AC33]

Obama repealed Dont ask dont tell in his first term, something he actually said in his first election campaign he would do.

Also, in addition to the repeal of Dont ask dont tell, the Justice department under Obama has stopped legally challenging the opinion of courts who find the Defense of marriage act unconstitutional.

However, Obama never once stated he would try to make it the law of the land to have same sex marriage legalized, only that his views have evolved and only that he "personally" supports it.

Prove me wrong OP or anyone else.

[Kraken]

Obama repealed Dont ask dont tell in his first term, something he actually said in his first election campaign he would do.

Also, in addition to the repeal of Dont ask dont tell, the Justice department under Obama has stopped legally challenging the opinion of courts who find the Defense of marriage act unconstitutional.

However, Obama never once stated he would try to make it the law of the land to have same sex marriage legalized, only that his views have evolved and only that he "personally" supports it.

Prove me wrong OP or anyone else.

During his first campaign, he did basically say that, so you can't say "he never said...".




Someone else debated the state issue, and in a couple vids I found, Obama is saying that it's a state level issue.

[Tha big kahoona]

That sucks.

Perhaps that gives him more time to focus on the weed mission?