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    Broken barbell, how to fix?

    I've got a crappy CAP bar from one of 300lb sets. It's been fine for the lifts that I do (don't do any olympic lifts or anything), but over time it has become less and less usable. The end of the sleeve (large circle that prevents the plates from coming any farther onto the bar, collar?) on both ends began to slide bit by bit. I got around this by simply pushing them back in; however, now any movement from the floor causes the plates to push on the collars as I set the bar back down and slide them in. Eventually the collars slide too far and the plates cave in to the sides as well, making it damn near impossible to finish a set of more than 2 or 3 reps.

    I stupidly tried superglue in hopes that it would help, but it had virtually no effect. Is there any way to prevent the collars from sliding around, or do I have to spent money on a new barbell? I'm going to be moving out and going to college between 6-8 months, and therefore would rather not have to buy a new bar since I would rarely be able to use it.
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    Typically more expensive bars are warranteed against things like this happening - CAP is not a very expensive bar, and does not have a good warranty (30 days, no bending, and damage cannot be from dropping) for this very reason. They are expected to break, either in this manner, or with the sleeves entirely falling off (or, if it's left with weights on it, by bending). I'm not aware of any way that you can fix this - next time you get a barbell, spring for one with a warranty.

    Rogue, Again Faster, Vulcan, Pendlay/MDUSA, Eleiko, Werksan all have lifetime warranties. York and Troy have extremely limited 1 and 5 year warranties (they don't cover bending or dropping). I'm sure I'm leaving out brands here, but you get the idea.

    The cool thing about buying a nice barbell though, is that you'll be able to use it for a VERY long time - after college, or even in college if you end up living off campus. Think of it as an investment, and put in the money to get a return on it.
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    Stop using this bar right now. You cannot fix it. You need a new bar.

    I disagree with much of the poster above has said (about warranties, discussion for another day), but he is 100% right about that fact you need to invest in a good bar.

    Just don't use it ever again. It sounds like the pressure fit between the flange and sleeve has failed. I'd actually like to see pics of this of you don't mind. You just gave me a new idea for some cheap sleeves I have left over from a bar.

    Go to about 37 sec into this video. It is these parts that have separated?

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    Ah just what I didn't want to hear. I'll probably just buy a CAP 86B, I've heard they're great for the price and not like the other CAP bars? I'll get pictures of my bar tomorrow, it's late and I'm about to go to bed. Thanks for your help guys

    Edit: ^ something like that. The sleeve itself doesn't move around, it's the other piece that slides onto the thinner part of the bar
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    Originally Posted by rr0d561 View Post
    I'll probably just buy a CAP 86B, I've heard they're great for the price
    I have one on the way for review... but I bought it for the same reasons. Guys here with great equipment experience have said its a great value. I'll get my take on it next week.

    Dont' feel bad that you need a new bar after some use. This is what I did to a 300lb set bar in 20 minutes from brand new with almost no weight. I'm not going to spam this video in a bunch of posts but feel its relevant.

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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    I have one on the way for review... but I bought it for the same reasons. Guys here with great equipment experience have said its a great value. I'll get my take on it next week.
    Where'd you order from and how much did you pay?
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    I would imagine that a competent welder could patch it back together well enough to get a few more months out of it. It wouldn't be a "proper" repair, but it would be functional...for a little while, anyway.
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    Originally Posted by rr0d561 View Post
    Where'd you order from and how much did you pay?
    Wayfair $142.60 shipped
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    will jb weld hold it together?
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    Originally Posted by rr0d561 View Post
    Ah just what I didn't want to hear. I'll probably just buy a CAP 86B, I've heard they're great for the price and not like the other CAP bars? I'll get pictures of my bar tomorrow, it's late and I'm about to go to bed. Thanks for your help guys

    Edit: ^ something like that. The sleeve itself doesn't move around, it's the other piece that slides onto the thinner part of the bar
    While I recommend getting a new barbell, there are things you can do to keep that part of the sleeve from pushing onto the bar. You could take off the sleeve and have someone weld the two sleeve pieces back together. JB Weld might even work for a while (as it's not actually a load-bearing part). Plates knocking against it will theoretically break it eventually, but I've had god luck with doing things with JB Weld that you wouldn't think an epoxy would be able to handle.

    A simple, cheap and easy "fix" might be to get two pipe hangers from your local hardware store and putting them as stops on the bar, preventing them from traveling down the bar, but allowing them to rotate.
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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    Wayfair $142.60 shipped
    If you live in the US, Amazon has been selling them for the same price.
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    While I agree that someone may be able weld the sleeve and flange back together (If I'm even understand the problem correctly), That fact that this has failed before the hex bolts just freaks me out. I pictured this failure as a result of a loose hex bolt sliding the sleeve's back forth over and over, the load of the plates/sleeve loosely banging into the flange causing it to fail.

    This is purely my logic trying to picture how a compression fit would fail before the hex bolt failed. I guess that the threads on that hex bolt are pretty messed up too. Maybe a bad fit, maybe both. regardless. I wouldn't trust that sleeve/flange/bolt. Too much to risk for something you put over your head.
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    Originally Posted by Stasher1 View Post
    If you live in the US, Amazon has been selling them for the same price.
    I got mine shipped to the US warehouse I use for Garage Iron US imports. It was $207 to get it to Canada. I just broker it myself and get it for $142.
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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    ...This is what I did to a 300lb set bar in 20 minutes from brand new with almost no weight. I'm not going to spam this video in a bunch of posts but feel its relevant.

    I'm still not sure what the point of that video is other than it being somewhat entertaining.

    Yes, barbells are available in a range of quality. A lower quality/less expensive bar will usually bend before a higher quality/more expensive bar. And?
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    I'm still not sure what the point of that video is other than it being somewhat entertaining.

    Yes, barbells are available in a range of quality. A lower quality/less expensive bar will usually bend before a higher quality/more expensive bar. And?
    The point is to demonstrate that a 500lb bar will not necessarily support 500lb in all situations without failing. That is all. People tend to think that because they have a 1000lb bar, that its will be sufficient forever because they will never load it with that much weight. Dynamic load such as dropping it or pulling it change those load ratings significantly. I didn't see a barbell showdown in that video did you?

    I've demonstrated my point. Would you like to demonstrate yours? I'd like to see how expensive a bar is relates to when it bends.
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    Get another cheapo $40 bar? Any significant repairs will cost that much and be a pain. Also not a crazy idea to buy a $300 bar even if you barely use it because by the time you're out of college they'll probably cost $500. If you can keep it stored well and not rust it, might come in handy.

    And^ a 1000 or 500 lb bar advertising isn't claiming it will handle dynamic load. Only a static load, preferably on a slower lift like deadlift. Some 500 lb rated bars permanently bend by squatting 500 lbs with them. Some bars bend from just loading 600 lbs of plates.
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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    The point is to demonstrate that a 500lb bar will not necessarily support 500lb in all situations without failing. That is all...
    OK. I guess I was just a little surprised that someone would make a video to demonstrate that a steel bar will indeed bend when a certain, unknown amount of force is applied.
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    Originally Posted by Seatard View Post
    OK. I guess I was just a little surprised that someone would make a video to demonstrate that a steel bar will indeed bend when a certain, unknown amount of force is applied.

    You can calculate the force if that's your concern. I wasn't too worried as I thought it was pretty clearly demonstrated. I included the drop height and weight so force (or at least energy) could be calculated. I'd like to know what you come up with if you decide to figure it out.
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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    Stop using this bar right now. You cannot fix it. You need a new bar.

    I disagree with much of the poster above has said (about warranties, discussion for another day), but he is 100% right about that fact you need to invest in a good bar.

    Just don't use it ever again. It sounds like the pressure fit between the flange and sleeve has failed. I'd actually like to see pics of this of you don't mind. You just gave me a new idea for some cheap sleeves I have left over from a bar.

    Go to about 37 sec into this video. It is these parts that have separated?

    I'm curious about why you think you shouldn't get a bar with a warranty, if you plan to use it properly? Is there something more to it than "It's a bitch to get a company to honor their warranty?" like it is with most products?
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    I can't tell from the OP's post whats broken. I guess I would have to see a picture or get a much better description.
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    Originally Posted by jmmainvi View Post
    I'm curious about why you think you shouldn't get a bar with a warranty, if you plan to use it properly? Is there something more to it than "It's a bitch to get a company to honor their warranty?" like it is with most products?
    Sorry, bad wording on my part. Its not that I disagreed about getting a bar with a warranty. I just wouldn't make a choice based on a warranty alone.

    I beleive Rogue's lifetime warranty is only on select bars and has exclusions. Werksan's is limited to their higher end bars. York's warranty does include dropping for olympic lifting on Elite bars (but excludes bending).

    I'm interested in the Vulcan bar. I've seen bars onlind very similar and the tests done on them are pretty impressive. I tried to order one a few days ago but hit a hiccup with shipping. They were quick to respond to emails, under 30 minutes each time.
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    Originally Posted by GarageIron View Post
    Sorry, bad wording on my part. Its not that I disagreed about getting a bar with a warranty. I just wouldn't make a choice based on a warranty alone.

    I beleive Rogue's lifetime warranty is only on select bars and has exclusions. Werksan's is limited to their higher end bars. York's warranty does include dropping for olympic lifting on Elite bars (but excludes bending).

    I'm interested in the Vulcan bar. I've seen bars onlind very similar and the tests done on them are pretty impressive. I tried to order one a few days ago but hit a hiccup with shipping. They were quick to respond to emails, under 30 minutes each time.
    Ah, that makes a lot more sense. I'm actually shopping around for barbells myself, and the warranty is definitely not a decider - I'm just looking for a great olympic lifting barbell in my price range (probably pendlay bearing bar) - but having a lifetime warranty certainly makes me feel more confident in a choice, and definitely can't be considered a bad thing.
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